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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 4, 2018 15:00:28 GMT
was thinking about this ...
Daenyrys Targaryen first season didnt want to be khals drogos queen
she wanted to go home...
Sansa stark wanted to leave winterfell go south and BE Queen
Jon snow wanted to leave home and go to castleblack/north of the wall ....
so now almost 8 years later ...
Dany wants to conquer be Queen
Sansa Stark left the south and went back north/winterfell
Jon Snow left the nightswatch and became king of the north
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 4, 2018 17:42:42 GMT
Jaime Lannister's approach changed. he didn't give a lot of thought before throwing a boy to die. He apparently did it for love. After 8 seasons he was thoughtful and made a decision not to do things for his love. He chose to be a lone rider and fight for humanity.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 4, 2018 17:55:11 GMT
Jaime Lannister's approach changed. he didn't give a lot of thought before throwing a boy to die. He apparently did it for love. After 8 seasons he was thoughtful and made a decision not to do things for his love. He chose to be a lone rider and fight for humanity. I understand his decision was to keep his word, nothing else. He rose to do something for himself, as a true lion. He didn't leave Cersei, by the way, only asserted his own priorities. Of course, people get it wrong… Jaime changed in that he came to want something for himself, something more than "supper" and just be with the woman he loves. He'll be worthy of being her king when he comes back, not just her lover. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 4, 2018 18:03:20 GMT
Jaime Lannister's approach changed. he didn't give a lot of thought before throwing a boy to die. He apparently did it for love. After 8 seasons he was thoughtful and made a decision not to do things for his love. He chose to be a lone rider and fight for humanity. I understand his decision was to keep his word, nothing else. He rose to do something for himself, as a true lion. He didn't leave Cersei, by the way, only asserted his own priorities. Of course, people get it wrong… You can explain it like that. But he was given a choice by his ex beloved. He made a choice after an emotional exchange of words. I read it as a different path he chose. He very much knew Cersei was being a wrong person there ( a feeling that didn't even pop up in his head before). There was a realisation in him. Yes, you are true that Jaime was always ready for bravery. That's why he joined King's guard in the first place and that's why he had heroes like Ser Arthur Dyane. So he could have made his decision just to keep his promise. But that interaction with Cersei revealed different things (to me at least).
Now the question is assuming he survives would he return to Cersei? May be. In that case you are true. May be not. We may find out after the show finishes but I suspect Jaime will die.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 4, 2018 18:40:22 GMT
I understand his decision was to keep his word, nothing else. He rose to do something for himself, as a true lion. He didn't leave Cersei, by the way, only asserted his own priorities. Of course, people get it wrong… You can explain it like that. But he was given a choice by his ex beloved. He made a choice after an emotional exchange of words. I read it as a different path he chose. He very much knew Cersei was being a wrong person there ( a feeling that didn't even pop up in his head before). There was a realisation in him. Yes, you are true that Jaime was always ready for bravery. That's why he joined King's guard in the first place and that's why he had heroes like Ser Arthur Dyane. So he could have made his decision just to keep his promise. But that interaction with Cersei revealed different things (to me at least).
Now the question is assuming he survives would he return to Cersei? May be. In that case you are true. May be not. We may find out after the show finishes but I suspect Jaime will die.
This is not about bravery and even less about his opinion of Cersei. Jaime always suffered of being called the "kingslayer". He might have said his honour was "beyond repair" in S4E01 but he sees a chance of getting this back while Cersei makes a cold calculation and doesn't share that weakness. The lion doesn't concern itself with the opinion of sheep. Jaime wants to make friends with the rest of the living, Cersei wants to fight her enemies. She's right, as always. They have no place for her. If the lizard bitch and the fool in the north do not win, then her own contribution makes no difference and she knows they are not to be trusted. She needs to be positioned so as to win the confrontation that will follow the war with the Night King or at least dissuade it. This is just plain wisdom, this is what the West ensured when it came together to stop Stalin after it killed Hitler but the bleating flock of dumbfucks still watching this show wants to have the flower power version instead and calls Cersei "a bad person". Their stupidity has no end. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 4, 2018 18:55:49 GMT
You can explain it like that. But he was given a choice by his ex beloved. He made a choice after an emotional exchange of words. I read it as a different path he chose. He very much knew Cersei was being a wrong person there ( a feeling that didn't even pop up in his head before). There was a realisation in him. Yes, you are true that Jaime was always ready for bravery. That's why he joined King's guard in the first place and that's why he had heroes like Ser Arthur Dyane. So he could have made his decision just to keep his promise. But that interaction with Cersei revealed different things (to me at least).
Now the question is assuming he survives would he return to Cersei? May be. In that case you are true. May be not. We may find out after the show finishes but I suspect Jaime will die.
This is not about bravery and even less about his opinion of Cersei. Jaime always suffered of being called the "kingslayer". He might have said his honour was "beyond repair" in S4E01 but he sees a chance of getting this back while Cersei makes a cold calculation and doesn't share that weakness. The lion doesn't concern itself with the opinion of sheep. Jaime wants to make friends with the rest of the living, Cersei wants to fight her enemies. She's right, as always. They have no place for her. If the lizard bitch and the fool in the north do not win, then her own contribution makes no difference and she knows they are not to be trusted. She needs to be positioned so as to win the confrontation that will follow the war with the Night King or at least dissuade it. This is just plain wisdom, this is what the West ensured when it came together to stop Stalin after it killed Hitler but the bleating flock of dumbfucks still watching this show wants to have the the flower power version instead and call Cersei "a bad person". Their stupidity has no end. Jaime has much to do with bravery and courage. His whole life he wanted only two things - recognition as a brave warrior and Cersei.
By the way, have you even seen the last Scene between Jaime and Cersei? Do you know what the actor who plays Jaime had to say about the last scene?
He saw what he saw, and he understood the threat [of the dead], and he understood that clearly if they don’t all work together, they don’t stand a chance. And the fact that he knows his sister saw and recognized the same threat and her calculations led her to the exact opposite result — it’s just shocking. I don’t know why it took him so long to realize what the rest of the world always knew — that she is a crazy monster — but he finally did. And then he left.
~Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 4, 2018 19:08:03 GMT
Jaime's decision was not about bravery. I didn't see the scene, only went to look at the script to confirm what I had read about it.
It is sad that the actor is extrapolating things which are not even hinted at in the text. Jaime falls to the belief that they have to put everything together to win, truly making him "the stupidest Lannister". I don't know why the actor then feels the need to chime in with the majority opinion. I'm not surprised, though, it is the popular thing to do and his career depends on popularity.
Everything around this show started to stink to the heavens by S6 and it's not about to stop.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 4, 2018 19:14:26 GMT
Jaime's decision was not about bravery. I didn't see the scene, only went to look at the script to confirm what I had read about it. It is sad that the actor is extrapolating things which are not even hinted at in the text. Jaime falls to the belief that they have to put everything together to win, truly making him "the stupidest Lannister". I don't know why the actor then feels the need to chime in with the majority opinion. I'm not surprised, though, it is the popular thing to do and his career depends on popularity. Everything around this show started to stink to the heavens by S6 and it's not about to stop. I might agree with you if you believe your position regarding Jaime is the ideal one and should have been taken by the producers. That would have meant consistency of sort. However, the show producers have changed his character to satisfy what you call masses. They have done so more in the last 2 seasons. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 4, 2018 19:39:55 GMT
Jaime's decision was not about bravery. I didn't see the scene, only went to look at the script to confirm what I had read about it. It is sad that the actor is extrapolating things which are not even hinted at in the text. Jaime falls to the belief that they have to put everything together to win, truly making him "the stupidest Lannister". I don't know why the actor then feels the need to chime in with the majority opinion. I'm not surprised, though, it is the popular thing to do and his career depends on popularity. Everything around this show started to stink to the heavens by S6 and it's not about to stop. I might agree with you if you believe your position regarding Jaime is the ideal one and should have been taken by the producers. That would have meant consistency of sort. However, the show producers have changed his character to satisfy what you call masses. They have done so more in the last 2 seasons. We do not know what the producers have in store for the masses. As far as I can guess, they have not made Jaime's position clear. They made him clash with Cersei and leave without further precision, which leaves interpretation open as to what he thinks and why he does it. So far, this is good story-telling and they still have the option to shock the masses as much as they like with the opposite of what they allowed them to believe. We'll see, unless they kill him off before it can be exposed, which is another possibility. I think they're going to kill the lizard bitch too and I wonder if she will indeed turn as bad as has been foreshadowed of if they will let her go before that, leaving her fans with their dreams. The latter would be the clever way of pleasing them, if not the honest one, as a whore letting a customer believe that she did enjoy it more than usual. I fear the worst. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 4, 2018 19:54:44 GMT
Leo of Red Keep don't know what these writers will do hard for me to believe in the books Dany and Jon won't have some type of clash , just because they had sex doesn't mean they won't fight Jon to Dany season 7 told her I wish you good fortune to wars to come Guess who else said that before they battled it out ? So maybe writers will surprise us .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 4, 2018 20:49:23 GMT
So maybe writers will surprise us . Do expect to be surprised. Whatever they do, I doubt they would pass on a chance of surprising and shocking their audience in some way. They might even redeem themselves, who knows  Not that I would bet on it, though. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 7, 2018 19:31:59 GMT
So maybe writers will surprise us . Do expect to be surprised. Whatever they do, I doubt they would pass on a chance of surprising and shocking their audience in some way. They might even redeem themselves, who knows Not that I would bet on it, though. haah LOL YES Redeeming themselves would be the biggest twist yes to come..lol |
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