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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 4, 2018 15:15:21 GMT
Jon is not a fan of burning people alive we saw this season 4 when stannis burned mance alive jon shoot an arrow to him so he wouldnt suffer pain
lets forward to season 6 when jon finds out princess shireen was burned alive, he was horrified and bashed melisandre and told her if she ever came north again she would be hanged
his words not mine
so how is jon going to react when he finds out Dany burned alive his best friends samuels father and brother ? and before some of you tell me sam wont care because there was no love lost between his father i think he will care , you may not get along with loved ones doesnt mean you want them burned alive ,if anything his brother didnt deserve to be burned
that action will come back to haunt dany
and if jon as much hates the burning how is this alliance with the dragon queen will go? not good im thinking if dant stays in power and becomes queen of westeros she will continue the burning she wont stop it and she certainly cant control her dragons or their fire or hunger
and this is a very valid point and argument even if it comes from a jonsa fan that some morons like to make fun off im just saying that this will matter and jonerys fans who think it will be a lovefest between starks and targryens have another thing coming.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 4, 2018 17:28:27 GMT
As much as I dislike Dany, I don't think she did anything that will take Jon's peace of mind if came to know about it. He deeply respected Mance and saw him being burned. He gave him an easy death but didn't make a revolt against King Stannis for giving him that death. Shireen was an innocent child and that explains Jon's objections. Randyll Tarly was at war with Jon's accepted queen. Tarly was executed by his queen. It's not an issue that will make Jon feel anything bad about Dany.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 4, 2018 19:48:48 GMT
Jon accepted her as her queen not knowing what she did IMO what has been shown of Jon snow and how he reacts to people being burned alive Would be out of character for him not to care even if he doesn't particular Care for SAMs dad or brother ,because Dany can do this again To someone he does care for .
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Post by Marv on Aug 5, 2018 1:05:40 GMT
Jon accepted her as her queen not knowing what she did IMO what has been shown of Jon snow and how he reacts to people being burned alive Would be out of character for him not to care even if he doesn't particular Care for SAMs dad or brother ,because Dany can do this again To someone he does care for . More importantly will Sam find out, and how will he react to dany? And will that force Jon to make a choice between Dany and Sam? There could be dire consequences there. Sam the Dragon Queen Slayer?
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 5, 2018 1:19:23 GMT
Jon accepted her as her queen not knowing what she did IMO what has been shown of Jon snow and how he reacts to people being burned alive Would be out of character for him not to care even if he doesn't particular Care for SAMs dad or brother ,because Dany can do this again To someone he does care for . More importantly will Sam find out, and how will he react to dany? And will that force Jon to make a choice between Dany and Sam? There could be dire consequences there. Sam the Dragon Queen Slayer? Lol....fat Sam who slayed a walker and a queen. That's some greatness there.
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Post by Marv on Aug 5, 2018 1:21:13 GMT
More importantly will Sam find out, and how will he react to dany? And will that force Jon to make a choice between Dany and Sam? There could be dire consequences there. Sam the Dragon Queen Slayer? Lol....fat Sam who slayed a walker and a queen. That's some greatness there. And a Thenn!
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 5, 2018 5:22:08 GMT
Jon accepted her as her queen not knowing what she did IMO what has been shown of Jon snow and how he reacts to people being burned alive Would be out of character for him not to care even if he doesn't particular Care for SAMs dad or brother ,because Dany can do this again To someone he does care for . More importantly will Sam find out, and how will he react to dany? And will that force Jon to make a choice between Dany and Sam? There could be dire consequences there. Sam the Dragon Queen Slayer? Yes, have him sit on her!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 5, 2018 5:34:34 GMT
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Post by Seto on Aug 5, 2018 17:05:17 GMT
Very likely this plot point won't be mentioned again. Or even if it is, it will merely be glanced over.
Tyrion killed Davos son and Davos was cool with it, Illaria killed Myrcella and other than a passing mention Tyrion seemed pretty cool with it.
The show is in an absolute race to the finish now. All these interesting little character conflicts you guys are hoping for, simply will not happen.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 5, 2018 17:08:12 GMT
What I really want to see is Daenerys fans dying like flies on reaction videos when the lizard bitch finally falls off the stupid thing. That's the only thing of S8 I'll be watching, I guess.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Aug 5, 2018 20:40:09 GMT
He’ll lol.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 7, 2018 19:42:57 GMT
Jon accepted her as her queen not knowing what she did IMO what has been shown of Jon snow and how he reacts to people being burned alive Would be out of character for him not to care even if he doesn't particular Care for SAMs dad or brother ,because Dany can do this again To someone he does care for . More importantly will Sam find out, and how will he react to dany? And will that force Jon to make a choice between Dany and Sam? There could be dire consequences there. Sam the Dragon Queen Slayer? not good i think he wont trust her and he wont like her this is why this stupid notion that dany is just going to come there with her dragons and be accepted wont happen that easily , i think by end of this dany would wish she was back in meeren with her lover she left behind
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 8, 2018 12:56:09 GMT
More importantly will Sam find out, and how will he react to dany? And will that force Jon to make a choice between Dany and Sam? There could be dire consequences there. Sam the Dragon Queen Slayer? not good i think he wont trust her and he wont like her this is why this stupid notion that dany is just going to come there with her dragons and be accepted wont happen that easily , i think by end of this dany would wish she was back in meeren with her lover she left behind I am sorry to say but now a days your opinions and thought process are getting extremely biased. It may not be good because the show might not end the way you think it would nor the way you think it should. Dany is a character I don't care about but that doesn't mean the character isn't one of the biggest in the show. Probably she is the second biggest name after Jon Snow. Even if we are not fans of her she is not going to turn into an absolute villain. With her dragons she will be the biggest player against White Walkers (along with Jon). She will get a memorable death (if she she dies at all). She finished off Randyll Tarly because Tarly was at war with her. Even Randyll Tarly had no problems with his death because he knew he had messed it up. The show has far bigger things to show us than a miffed Jon Snow because the queen of Westeros finished off someone who was at open war with her.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 8, 2018 13:55:19 GMT
not good i think he wont trust her and he wont like her this is why this stupid notion that dany is just going to come there with her dragons and be accepted wont happen that easily , i think by end of this dany would wish she was back in meeren with her lover she left behind I am sorry to say but now a days your opinions and thought process are getting extremely biased. It may not be good because the show might not end the way you think it would nor the way you think it should. Dany is a character I don't care about but that doesn't mean the character isn't one of the biggest in the show. Probably she is the second biggest name after Jon Snow. Even if we are not fans of her she is not going to turn into an absolute villain. With her dragons she will be the biggest player against White Walkers (along with Jon). She will get a memorable death (if she she dies at all). She finished off Randyll Tarly because Tarly was at war with her. Even Randyll Tarly had no problems with his death because he knew he had messed it up. The show has far bigger things to show us than a miffed Jon Snow because the queen of Westeros finished off someone who was at open war with her. She's not the queen of Westeros, just a violent invader with a personal ambition. She is meant to be perceived ambiguously, with the violent, tyrannical side well in sight of everyone. Randyll Tarly didn't have to die and he didn't mess up. Daenerys is a savage who kills her prisoners. Not even Attila did this. I know this show makes an impression on the ignorant and this is the character the dumbest layer of the audience likes. She ought to become a villain, but in a world where serious people with a medically functioning brain think Stalin was not a monster, I'm afraid we have to expect something less clearly expressed. I fear she will have an heroic death instead of the descent into tyranny she was written for. I'll agree we won't see Jon Snow take much notice of this aspect, unless… unless she really starts behaving like her father. Tyrion and Varys are the characters who have shown concern and will continue to do so. Jon the conciliator will accept anything for the sake of winning the "war that matters", just like Churchill went to Moscow.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 8, 2018 13:59:45 GMT
I am sorry to say but now a days your opinions and thought process are getting extremely biased. It may not be good because the show might not end the way you think it would nor the way you think it should. Dany is a character I don't care about but that doesn't mean the character isn't one of the biggest in the show. Probably she is the second biggest name after Jon Snow. Even if we are not fans of her she is not going to turn into an absolute villain. With her dragons she will be the biggest player against White Walkers (along with Jon). She will get a memorable death (if she she dies at all). She finished off Randyll Tarly because Tarly was at war with her. Even Randyll Tarly had no problems with his death because he knew he had messed it up. The show has far bigger things to show us than a miffed Jon Snow because the queen of Westeros finished off someone who was at open war with her. She's not the queen of Westeros, just a violent invader with a personal ambition. She is meant to be perceived ambiguously, with the violent, tyrannical side well in sight of everyone. Randyll Tarly didn't have to die and he didn't mess up. Daenerys is a savage who kills her prisoners. Not even Attila did this. I know this show makes an impression on the ignorant and this is the character the dumbest layer of the audience likes. She ought to become a villain, but in a world where serious people with a medically functioning brain think Stalin was not a monster, I'm afraid we have to expect something less clearly expressed. I fear she will have an heroic death instead of the descent into tyranny she was written for. I'll agree we won't see Jon Snow take much notice of this aspect, unless… unless she really starts behaving like her father. Tyrion and Varys are the characters who have shown concern and will continue to do so. Jon the conciliator will accept anything for the sake of winning the "war that matters", just like Churchill went to Moscow. In the eyes of Jon and the allied forces she is the queen of Westeros.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 8, 2018 14:00:52 GMT
She's not the queen of Westeros, just a violent invader with a personal ambition. She is meant to be perceived ambiguously, with the violent, tyrannical side well in sight of everyone. Randyll Tarly didn't have to die and he didn't mess up. Daenerys is a savage who kills her prisoners. Not even Attila did this. I know this show makes an impression on the ignorant and this is the character the dumbest layer of the audience likes. She ought to become a villain, but in a world where serious people with a medically functioning brain think Stalin was not a monster, I'm afraid we have to expect something less clearly expressed. I fear she will have an heroic death instead of the descent into tyranny she was written for. I'll agree we won't see Jon Snow take much notice of this aspect, unless… unless she really starts behaving like her father. Tyrion and Varys are the characters who have shown concern and will continue to do so. Jon the conciliator will accept anything for the sake of winning the "war that matters", just like Churchill went to Moscow. In the eyes of Jon and the allied forces she is the queen of Westeros. Jon Snow is a Night's Watch deserter and a rebel to the Crown.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 8, 2018 14:02:30 GMT
In the eyes of Jon and the allied forces she is the queen of Westeros. Jon Snow is a Night's Watch deserter and a rebel to the Crown. I personally have no objection to that interpretation. That is true for those who are on side of Cersei.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 8, 2018 20:09:31 GMT
not good i think he wont trust her and he wont like her this is why this stupid notion that dany is just going to come there with her dragons and be accepted wont happen that easily , i think by end of this dany would wish she was back in meeren with her lover she left behind I am sorry to say but now a days your opinions and thought process are getting extremely biased. It may not be good because the show might not end the way you think it would nor the way you think it should. Dany is a character I don't care about but that doesn't mean the character isn't one of the biggest in the show. Probably she is the second biggest name after Jon Snow. Even if we are not fans of her she is not going to turn into an absolute villain. With her dragons she will be the biggest player against White Walkers (along with Jon). She will get a memorable death (if she she dies at all). She finished off Randyll Tarly because Tarly was at war with her. Even Randyll Tarly had no problems with his death because he knew he had messed it up. The show has far bigger things to show us than a miffed Jon Snow because the queen of Westeros finished off someone who was at open war with her. I don't think my opinions are biased and I never said I didn't like Dany she started out for me as one of my favorites characters , but her decisions in recent seasons and her involement with Jon And some things she did turned me off I think they are changing her a lot ,and trust me if I can see it then others do because I worshiped Dany ,Dany used to be different more sensitive to others feelings and sadly she has lost this , I think Jon said it best to her last season if you use your dragons to burn people then you are not better than the ones you are fighting , and he was right , I think Dany may realize this but it may be too late for her, I prefer for her to have a heroic death or survive and go away to Meeren where she will be happier ruling there , yes I agree with you Randall Tarly was at war with her and didn't care if he died , but he did care for his son , she didn't have to burn his son , that is stuff her mad father used to do , even Tyrion looked horrified , and one of those close to her Tyrion, Jon or someone else will betray her ,I'm prepared whatever end writers of show and books do I may not like it but will accept it Unless is something stupid .
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Post by Nightman on Aug 9, 2018 1:29:48 GMT
Very likely this plot point won't be mentioned again. Or even if it is, it will merely be glanced over. Tyrion killed Davos son and Davos was cool with it, Illaria killed Myrcella and other than a passing mention Tyrion seemed pretty cool with it. The show is in an absolute race to the finish now. All these interesting little character conflicts you guys are hoping for, simply will not happen. This. The writers probably won't even think about it.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 9, 2018 4:00:41 GMT
I am sorry to say but now a days your opinions and thought process are getting extremely biased. It may not be good because the show might not end the way you think it would nor the way you think it should. Dany is a character I don't care about but that doesn't mean the character isn't one of the biggest in the show. Probably she is the second biggest name after Jon Snow. Even if we are not fans of her she is not going to turn into an absolute villain. With her dragons she will be the biggest player against White Walkers (along with Jon). She will get a memorable death (if she she dies at all). She finished off Randyll Tarly because Tarly was at war with her. Even Randyll Tarly had no problems with his death because he knew he had messed it up. The show has far bigger things to show us than a miffed Jon Snow because the queen of Westeros finished off someone who was at open war with her. I don't think my opinions are biased and I never said I didn't like Dany she started out for me as one of my favorites characters , but her decisions in recent seasons and her involement with Jon And some things she did turned me off I think they are changing her a lot ,and trust me if I can see it then others do because I worshiped Dany ,Dany used to be different more sensitive to others feelings and sadly she has lost this , I think Jon said it best to her last season if you use your dragons to burn people then you are not better than the ones you are fighting , and he was right , I think Dany may realize this but it may be too late for her, I prefer for her to have a heroic death or survive and go away to Meeren where she will be happier ruling there , yes I agree with you Randall Tarly was at war with her and didn't care if he died , but he did care for his son , she didn't have to burn his son , that is stuff her mad father used to do , even Tyrion looked horrified , and one of those close to her Tyrion, Jon or someone else will betray her ,I'm prepared whatever end writers of show and books do I may not like it but will accept it Unless is something stupid . People who are biased often are unaware of their own bias. That you used to like Dany a lot once upon a time doesn't mean you cannot get biased now. This thread and it's contents or your mention of Dany's ex and return to Essos seem to indicate you have extreme amount of dislike or contempt for Dany. Also, returning back to Essos is the last thing Dany will do. Her whole life and mission was to come to Westeros. Randyll's son and Randyll were given the choice to kneel. They would have been spared and not killed had they put their lives above their ego. Egoistic Randyll got death because he chose death.
The thing is that you are making a mountain out of mole in this thread. Dany killing Randyll or his son is not going to have any difference on Jon Snow.
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