|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 5, 2017 19:11:12 GMT
I have. It's called every other channel on television.
|
|
Flynn
Sophomore
@flynn
Posts: 515
Likes: 270
|
Post by Flynn on Jun 6, 2017 4:02:39 GMT
I'm glad this thread is back. I've been giving it some thought, and I think I'm prepared to say no, racism doesn't exist. Now, before you hit the reply button, please hear me out, because I'm not talking about racism in the traditional sense. I fully acknowledge that there are persons on the planet who view persons of other races as inferior. I'm not denying that fact.
The way I see it, people have an innate preference for homogenous groups. I view this as a broader issue that subsumes racism. We tend to prefer people who are like us. It's a natural trait we see in all living things. Similar creatures tend to congregate, whether that similarity is defined by race, breed, species, region of birth, social or economic status, sex, sexual preference, philosophy, or even interest (chess club, A/V club, band, football). These groups can thus be defined in myriad ways, with racism being just one possible group.
This explains why many people whom the general public might view as racist do not see themselves as such. Someone, for example, might like his black Army buddy but otherwise feel suspicious towards all other black people. If this is the case, this person may not consider himself racist because he likes or loves one black person with whom he formed a bond, someone whom he considers more like himself. If we look at that person's preferences more closely, we are likely to find other extreme groupist views and behaviors that have nothing to do with race. So, my point is, when you broaden the concept of racism to get at its root cause, it gets much more complicated than a simple race issue.
Hope that made sense. It's not that I'm saying racism as traditionally defined doesn't exist, but I strongly believe that a larger proclivity towards the formation of homogeneous groups is the real issue we need to consider.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 6, 2017 13:03:51 GMT
I don't buy that. Unlike animals, we have sapience.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:07:12 GMT
Well sure its real. But the problem is that in todays world people seem to scream racism about every little ting. So it really has no meaning anymore.
|
|
|
Post by naterdawg on Jun 6, 2017 15:39:10 GMT
I have. It's called every other channel on television. Oh, really? And is it labeled as "the White Entertainment Network?" I must've missed that part.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 6, 2017 16:17:50 GMT
Don't kid yourself. That's what they were. Heck, many refused to even show a black person on a television show or kept them to an extreme minority. It's the reason BET exists in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by naterdawg on Jun 7, 2017 0:12:37 GMT
Don't kid yourself. That's what they were. Heck, many refused to even show a black person on a television show or kept them to an extreme minority. It's the reason BET exists in the first place. Hmm. I'll keep that in mind when I'm watching old reruns of Maude, Good Times, All in the Family, The Jeffersons, Room 227, and the several Cosby Shows.
|
|
Flynn
Sophomore
@flynn
Posts: 515
Likes: 270
|
Post by Flynn on Jun 7, 2017 4:37:47 GMT
Don't kid yourself. That's what they were. Heck, many refused to even show a black person on a television show or kept them to an extreme minority. It's the reason BET exists in the first place. Hmm. I'll keep that in mind when I'm watching old reruns of Maude, Good Times, All in the Family, The Jeffersons, Room 227, and the several Cosby Shows. Add to that: What's Happening?, What's Happening Now?, The Hughleys, My Wife and Kids, Sandford and Son, A Different World, Amen, Girlfriends... Although I'm offering supporting evidence to your argument, I don't really support your criticism of BET. I see nothing wrong with BET or any channel devoted to a specific audience. Caleb's argument is simply without merit if we are referring to TV of the last 40 years, though I'll grant that black-oriented programming is in the minority in the 80s and 90s.
|
|
|
Post by poelzig on Jun 7, 2017 4:49:55 GMT
Don't kid yourself. That's what they were. Heck, many refused to even show a black person on a television show or kept them to an extreme minority. It's the reason BET exists in the first place. Says the white kid that lives in an all white gated community in a blue state. You do realize all the non white folks laugh our asses off at you ridiculous white liberals, right?
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 7, 2017 12:57:20 GMT
Don't kid yourself. That's what they were. Heck, many refused to even show a black person on a television show or kept them to an extreme minority. It's the reason BET exists in the first place. Says the white kid that lives in an all white gated community in a blue state. You do realize all the non white folks laugh our asses off at you ridiculous white liberals, right? Ha ha ha ha. Thank you. I needed a good laugh. And no, says the guy who actually acknowledges history.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 7, 2017 12:58:40 GMT
Don't kid yourself. That's what they were. Heck, many refused to even show a black person on a television show or kept them to an extreme minority. It's the reason BET exists in the first place. Hmm. I'll keep that in mind when I'm watching old reruns of Maude, Good Times, All in the Family, The Jeffersons, Room 227, and the several Cosby Shows. Yep. The rarities. Those were the people pushing the boundaries. Not the norm. That's the equivalent of saying there was no slavery because some states had abolished it.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 7, 2017 13:08:38 GMT
Hmm. I'll keep that in mind when I'm watching old reruns of Maude, Good Times, All in the Family, The Jeffersons, Room 227, and the several Cosby Shows. Add to that: What's Happening?, What's Happening Now?, The Hughleys, My Wife and Kids, Sandford and Son, A Different World, Amen, Girlfriends... Although I'm offering supporting evidence to your argument, I don't really support your criticism of BET. I see nothing wrong with BET or any channel devoted to a specific audience. Caleb's argument is simply without merit if we are referring to TV of the last 40 years, though I'll grant that black-oriented programming is in the minority in the 80s and 90s. Several of those shows aired years if not decades after BET had launched. My argument is that BET was created as a way to more prominently feature black actors and actresses, which on pretty much every other channel were relegated to supporting roles (if at all). Yes, there were some shows which were pushing the boundaries (CBS's rural purge), but it was still a small fraction of the television landscape. While there have certainly been more black people on television in the last 40 years (thought still shows into the 90s like Seinfeld or Friends rarely featured any black people despite being set in New York), that wasn't the case in the 40 years prior to that. That is what led to the creation of BET. Make no mistake, I'm not saying every person in television at the time hated black people, but most certainly weren't in a hurry to feature them. This is what necessitated BET. There is no WET because there was no need nor demand for it. 95% of shows featured white casts. Maybe even more.
|
|
|
Post by naterdawg on Jun 7, 2017 14:20:54 GMT
Oh, and let's not forget a little something called JULIA...and Roots! Yep, definitely produced by the All-White network, those racists!
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 7, 2017 15:03:31 GMT
Some people can't seem to understand that just because there was some black programming on television, that doesn't mean that 95% of it wasn't still white programming.
No one said there were zero black people on television. Just that there were very, very few. Keep in mind, for every show you've mentioned, there were dozens of shows centered on and featuring almost exclusively white casts. By white creators.
You don't have to like history. But you do have to accept it.
|
|
|
Post by naterdawg on Jun 7, 2017 18:49:07 GMT
Some people can't seem to understand that just because there was some black programming on television, that doesn't mean that 95% of it wasn't still white programming. No one said there were zero black people on television. Just that there were very, very few. Keep in mind, for every show you've mentioned, there were dozens of shows centered on and featuring almost exclusively white casts. By white creators. You don't have to like history. But you do have to accept it. Well, considering BET feature very few whites, if any, on their shows (which includes award shows), which television channels are inclusive and which are not? You said earlier, and I quote, "I have. It's called every other channel on television." So, then, you're very blithely claiming that every channel outside of BET is a "White Entertainment" channel? Come on. You know such a blanket statement is just not true. And even if it was, the "white entertainment" channels are not exclusive; they've featured blacks in dramas, comedies, mini-series, you name it. Does BET feature whites? I think you know the answer. What would your reaction be if even ONE network changed its name to the "White Entertainment Television?" You'd call "racism" and have a fit. Strikes me that you're the racist.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 7, 2017 19:17:40 GMT
Yes.
And here's why. Black power started as a way for black people to rise up. White power was a way to keep other races down. Context is very important.
|
|
|
Post by naterdawg on Jun 7, 2017 20:28:43 GMT
Some people can't seem to understand that just because there was some black programming on television, that doesn't mean that 95% of it wasn't still white programming. No one said there were zero black people on television. Just that there were very, very few. Keep in mind, for every show you've mentioned, there were dozens of shows centered on and featuring almost exclusively white casts. By white creators. You don't have to like history. But you do have to accept it. Well, considering BET features very few whites, if any, on their shows (which includes award shows), which television channels are inclusive and which are not? You said earlier, and I quote, "I have. It's called every other channel on television." So, then, you're very blithely claiming that every channel outside of BET is a "White Entertainment" channel? Come on. You know such a blanket statement is just not true. And even if it was, the "white entertainment" channels are not exclusive; they've featured blacks in dramas, comedies, mini-series, you name it. Does BET feature whites? I think you know the answer. What would your reaction be if even ONE network changed its name to the "White Entertainment Television?" You'd call "racism" and have a fit. Strikes me that you're the racist.
|
|
Flynn
Sophomore
@flynn
Posts: 515
Likes: 270
|
Post by Flynn on Jun 7, 2017 23:13:58 GMT
Add to that: What's Happening?, What's Happening Now?, The Hughleys, My Wife and Kids, Sandford and Son, A Different World, Amen, Girlfriends... Although I'm offering supporting evidence to your argument, I don't really support your criticism of BET. I see nothing wrong with BET or any channel devoted to a specific audience. Caleb's argument is simply without merit if we are referring to TV of the last 40 years, though I'll grant that black-oriented programming is in the minority in the 80s and 90s. Several of those shows aired years if not decades after BET had launched. My argument is that BET was created as a way to more prominently feature black actors and actresses, which on pretty much every other channel were relegated to supporting roles (if at all). Yes, there were some shows which were pushing the boundaries (CBS's rural purge), but it was still a small fraction of the television landscape. While there have certainly been more black people on television in the last 40 years (thought still shows into the 90s like Seinfeld or Friends rarely featured any black people despite being set in New York), that wasn't the case in the 40 years prior to that. That is what led to the creation of BET. Make no mistake, I'm not saying every person in television at the time hated black people, but most certainly weren't in a hurry to feature them. This is what necessitated BET. There is no WET because there was no need nor demand for it. 95% of shows featured white casts. Maybe even more. I don't disagree with most of what you are saying here, though I do have a different perspective on some things you brought to bear. I was specifically responding to your comment that people refused to show a black person on TV and that black-oriented TV shows were in the "extreme minority." And there were a lot of TV shows which I couldn't remember the name, so I didn't list them. I agree that the number of black TV shows is disproportionate with the black population, but "extreme minority"? That is an assertion with which I disagree. Also, if you were to look more critically at TV shows in the '80s, you'd find a lot more racially blended shows than you'd think. If people were trying to keep black people off TV, they did a terrible job. What do you think about Bounce TV? I used to watch it often, but they put a court show on in the time slot I'm most able to watch it, so now I don't watch it as often and I forget to seek the channel out later. I really like the channel, though, and I support it. What do you think led to the rise of Bounce? Finally, I don't know if you are interested, but Larry Wilmore recently interviewed Norman Leer on his podcast. They spoke a lot about '70s TV.
|
|
Flynn
Sophomore
@flynn
Posts: 515
Likes: 270
|
Post by Flynn on Jun 8, 2017 4:20:26 GMT
Well, considering BET features very few whites, if any, on their shows (which includes award shows), which television channels are inclusive and which are not? You said earlier, and I quote, "I have. It's called every other channel on television." So, then, you're very blithely claiming that every channel outside of BET is a "White Entertainment" channel? Come on. You know such a blanket statement is just not true. And even if it was, the "white entertainment" channels are not exclusive; they've featured blacks in dramas, comedies, mini-series, you name it. Does BET feature whites? I think you know the answer. What would your reaction be if even ONE network changed its name to the "White Entertainment Television?" You'd call "racism" and have a fit. Strikes me that you're the racist. When people say "every other whatever," they don't literally mean every whatever besides the whatever being referenced. They don't even mean ever alternating whatever, which would be 50% of all whatevers. They just mean most other whatevers. But I suspect you knew that and were just grasping at straws in an argument you were losing.
|
|
|
Post by poelzig on Jun 8, 2017 4:41:29 GMT
Says the white kid that lives in an all white gated community in a blue state. You do realize all the non white folks laugh our asses off at you ridiculous white liberals, right? Ha ha ha ha. Thank you. I needed a good laugh. And no, says the guy who actually acknowledges history. You're welcome. I'm happy you can laugh at yourself. Most white libs are far too uptight to do that. Not to mention too busy patting themselves on the backs for prattling on and on and on and on on a message board. Us swarthy folks sho do preshate that boss. You a hero. Oh wait you're only crying about the plight of black folks. Y'all don't give a shit about the rest of us non Caucasians. Unless we move into your neighborhood of course THEN you're concerned. Then again most of us do as well as you if not better. It's odd how my "conservative" friends see me as just a guy but my liberal friends see me as someone to show off to other liberals. Why are y'all like that? I'm seriously asking.
|
|