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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 12:35:00 GMT
Like the Star Wars fans collecting money to remake The Last Jedi. Well it is a shit movie. I personally don't get the hate for 'The Last Jedi.' It was far from being a masterpiece and I was kinda disappointed with what they did with Luke Skywalker having him lose hope and become old and bitter but I have seen far worse movies in franchises and don't think it deserves the level of hate it gets. I also don't think 'The Last Jedi' is to blame for 'Solo' not being a major success and some might disagree but I think 'Solo' still would have fared the same if it had been made after 'The Force Awakens.' Most people I know that went to see 'The Last Jedi' and are going to see Episode 9 didn't go to see 'Solo' 'cause they simply just weren't interested in a movie about Han Solo especially one without Harrison Ford. If Harrison Ford had been the main star I am betting it would have been more successful but not having Harrison who was so closely associated with the character hurt the movie.
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Post by dazz on Aug 28, 2018 13:31:29 GMT
I personally don't get the hate for 'The Last Jedi.' It was far from being a masterpiece and I was kinda disappointed with what they did with Luke Skywalker having him lose hope and become old and bitter but I have seen far worse movies in franchises and don't think it deserves the level of hate it gets. I also don't think 'The Last Jedi' is to blame for 'Solo' not being a major success and some might disagree but I think 'Solo' still would have fared the same if it had been made after 'The Force Awakens.' Most people I know that went to see 'The Last Jedi' and are going to see Episode 9 didn't go to see 'Solo' 'cause they simply just weren't interested in a movie about Han Solo especially one without Harrison Ford. If Harrison Ford had been the main star I am betting it would have been more successful but not having Harrison who was so closely associated with the character hurt the movie. Personally for me it was a combo of things, firstly the plot was horseshit, it was an episode of Rebels stretched to over 2 hours, the characters were idiots, why was Laura Dern keeping Poe in the dark when she knows he's an impulsive hot head who at best is reluctantly willing to disregard the orders of a superior he respects, let alone some random chick he never met before? they shit on everything people were anticipating about the film since TFA, once or twice is fine and funny but to do it at every stop is insulting, the retarded princess Leia poppin's scene, they still make Rey a mary sue but now she's an arrogant thieving mary sue...well done idiots, and then the made Luke such a waste of a character and fucking weird also...green milk from the tit/bollocks of some ugly fucking creature.
Also didn't help how much shit got hyped including retarded stuff like the Rose story and hype about KMT and it ends up being the throwaway side story that means nothing, accomplishes nothing, and has one of the most retarded moments in all of SW history, Rose stops Finn from trying to take out that cannon thing to ensure it breaks down the door protecting all that remains of the resistance, if they die the universe is fucked, but no must save Finn because she "loves" him, that's even more spasticated than Leia being in "love" with Han at the end of Empire, no fuckers it aint love you just want to fuck them learn the difference, plus KMT was meh acting wise so I don't get why anyone had high hopes for the character or her performance going in, but I saw a lot of it for both.
IMO the story to TLJ could have worked but it was awfully executed, Finn & Rose mean nothing to the film, literally nothing they do matters at all, Rey and Luke being at odds would have worked had they not been so pig headed to make sure everyone knew Rey was in the right, Luke having a point makes the story mean more but they refuse to acknowledge this, Poe doubting Holdo would have been fine and her hiding her plan from him IF they introduced a mole element to the story, that's why she's secretive and he half uncovers the story which is why he doubts her and bingo makes sense.
Then they piss away Snoke, and for what? to make emo Vader the one bad guy? but then he's not a threat because he was going to get killed had Rey not saved his butt 5 minutes later, so why take out the threatening baddy who even made Rey the super jedi look like a chump just to still have Rey be superior at all points to Kylo still? where is the drama there? even in ROTJ when Luke is shown being a dangerous dude early on when he and Vader face they are equal but Luke is more timid to the unflinching Vader, until Luke goes ape shit atleast, you believe as strong as Luke is Vader is even worse, but yet subservient to the Emperor hinting at his power, who believes Kylo is a threat at this point? Rey whooped him in TFA with no training, she slayed the guards in TLJ no problem and saved Kylo again, then he gets knocked out by the lightsabre explosion but she either doesn't or get out before he comes too, and again with little to no actual training, by E9 if she's even been doing light jedi work outs she should be able to massacre that emo prick easily.
That's why hate TLJ, if others like it that's great glad someone does, I fucking hate it though.
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Post by damkylan on Aug 31, 2018 4:18:34 GMT
they shit on everything people were anticipating about the film since TFA, once or twice is fine and funny but to do it at every stop is insulting That isn't a flaw and it isn't an insult to anyone but triggered fanboys. Everyone bitched and moaned that TFA was predictable, a rip off, and were hoping the next movie didn't hit the same, expected beats as any of the other movies. Wish fucking granted. People don't have to like it, but the concept of dismantling all expectations and going in other directions is perfectly valid.
Oh, shut up, you don't know what the hell a Mary Sue is, like most jokers who use that term.
Disillusionment with past heroes is practically a theme of Star Wars. Obi Wan was the wise mentor in the first movie. Then was revealed to be a lying, embittered fuck who wanted Luke to murder his own father and entertained no other possibility. The Jedi were described as noble knights of a bygone halcyon age. Then we discover they were actually a bunch of arrogant retards who made constant bad decision after bad decision, leading to their own destruction.
In any case, TLJ was the first time Luke's character was ever actually interesting, with regrets to face up to and an arc that wasn't the classic hero trope. Everything vaguely interesting surrounding him originally came from other characters who interacted with him, like Vader, Yoda, and Obi Wan. Speaking of which, his sendoff in this movie really was perfect. He sacrificed himself so the rebels may escape like Obi-Wan, he trained and gave hope to the one who will usher in the next generation like Yoda, and he redeemed himself and made peace before his death like his father (in Star Wars terms, of course... realistically, Vader deserves no redemption). His arc was completed excellently.
Yes, because he's the one who's been developed, has a history with past and current characters, and has the only unpredictable arc in terms of how it will eventually unfold. Snoke was always a boring Palpatine analog. They knew it. We knew it. Good riddance to a tired idea.
Lmao. Apparently, Rey tossing Kylo the saber fills you with such rage that you mentally blocked out the rest of the scene. You make it sound like Kylo was getting owned left and right while Rey had no trouble. Kylo takes no damage during the fight and only has trouble with one who gets him into a pin because he lost his saber. At one point, he's taking on three at a time, and at the same time, Rey is taking on one guard who is kicking her ass. She gets cut, kicked to the floor, and caught in a pin like Kylo by one guard. She only escapes because she has her weapon.
It's like complaining that Luke was never a hero because he didn't stop the Emperor, and instead Vader did and saved him.
Kylo had a blast wound that he was actively making worse, was not trying to kill her, and as Snoke revealed, his soul was unbalanced and split in two because of his guilt at killing his father, making him less powerful than he should have been. And he was still winning. He was easily forcing her back when they fought. It wasn't until she trusted in the Force that she was able to hold her own against him at all, with all the things working against him.
I don't see that as any different from the Luke and Vader fight you brought up. Vader has immeasurably more experience than Luke and is a force to be reckoned with, feared throughout the galaxy. Luke has trained for all of 1 year, maybe. And he had to have taught himself saber skills, since he got no training in that ever. And before even tapping into the Dark Side he's keeping up with Vader and kicks his ass around the throne room. And then he's even more dominant once he gets pissed. Why don't fanboys ever bitch and moan about Luke's clearly latent strength that goes beyond what he should be able to do? The whole narrative of the Emperor is, "Man, this Skywalker kid rocks! He could totally destroy us!" At least Snoke was like, "lol, you suck, Rey". And if the reason is because Vader has a "conflict" in him that was holding him back, then no one can ever complain about TFA's ending again. Because the same shit happened.
Also, Rey has been fighting all her life and can adapt to a combat situation. She possesses no unique saber skills and never has, nor does she need training to know how to utilize it in a fight. It's a fucking laser sword that cuts through anything, and that's how she uses it. She's never used moves like say, Obi Wan vs. Darth Maul. Also, the Force aids one in a fight. That's been a thing since forever.
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Post by dazz on Aug 31, 2018 6:17:50 GMT
they shit on everything people were anticipating about the film since TFA, once or twice is fine and funny but to do it at every stop is insulting That isn't a flaw and it isn't an insult to anyone but triggered fanboys. Everyone bitched and moaned that TFA was predictable, a rip off, and were hoping the next movie didn't hit the same, expected beats as any of the other movies. Wish fucking granted. People don't have to like it, but the concept of dismantling all expectations and going in other directions is perfectly valid.
Oh, shut up, you don't know what the hell a Mary Sue is, like most jokers who use that term.
Disillusionment with past heroes is practically a theme of Star Wars. Obi Wan was the wise mentor in the first movie. Then was revealed to be a lying, embittered fuck who wanted Luke to murder his own father and entertained no other possibility. The Jedi were described as noble knights of a bygone halcyon age. Then we discover they were actually a bunch of arrogant retards who made constant bad decision after bad decision, leading to their own destruction.
In any case, TLJ was the first time Luke's character was ever actually interesting, with regrets to face up to and an arc that wasn't the classic hero trope. Everything vaguely interesting surrounding him originally came from other characters who interacted with him, like Vader, Yoda, and Obi Wan. Speaking of which, his sendoff in this movie really was perfect. He sacrificed himself so the rebels may escape like Obi-Wan, he trained and gave hope to the one who will usher in the next generation like Yoda, and he redeemed himself and made peace before his death like his father (in Star Wars terms, of course... realistically, Vader deserves no redemption). His arc was completed excellently.
Yes, because he's the one who's been developed, has a history with past and current characters, and has the only unpredictable arc in terms of how it will eventually unfold. Snoke was always a boring Palpatine analog. They knew it. We knew it. Good riddance to a tired idea.
Lmao. Apparently, Rey tossing Kylo the saber fills you with such rage that you mentally blocked out the rest of the scene. You make it sound like Kylo was getting owned left and right while Rey had no trouble. Kylo takes no damage during the fight and only has trouble with one who gets him into a pin because he lost his saber. At one point, he's taking on three at a time, and at the same time, Rey is taking on one guard who is kicking her ass. She gets cut, kicked to the floor, and caught in a pin like Kylo by one guard. She only escapes because she has her weapon.
It's like complaining that Luke was never a hero because he didn't stop the Emperor, and instead Vader did and saved him.
Kylo had a blast wound that he was actively making worse, was not trying to kill her, and as Snoke revealed, his soul was unbalanced and split in two because of his guilt at killing his father, making him less powerful than he should have been. And he was still winning. He was easily forcing her back when they fought. It wasn't until she trusted in the Force that she was able to hold her own against him at all, with all the things working against him.
I don't see that as any different from the Luke and Vader fight you brought up. Vader has immeasurably more experience than Luke and is a force to be reckoned with, feared throughout the galaxy. Luke has trained for all of 1 year, maybe. And he had to have taught himself saber skills, since he got no training in that ever. And before even tapping into the Dark Side he's keeping up with Vader and kicks his ass around the throne room. And then he's even more dominant once he gets pissed. Why don't fanboys ever bitch and moan about Luke's clearly latent strength that goes beyond what he should be able to do? The whole narrative of the Emperor is, "Man, this Skywalker kid rocks! He could totally destroy us!" At least Snoke was like, "lol, you suck, Rey". And if the reason is because Vader has a "conflict" in him that was holding him back, then no one can ever complain about TFA's ending again. Because the same shit happened.
Also, Rey has been fighting all her life and can adapt to a combat situation. She possesses no unique saber skills and never has, nor does she need training to know how to utilize it in a fight. It's a fucking laser sword that cuts through anything, and that's how she uses it. She's never used moves like say, Obi Wan vs. Darth Maul. Also, the Force aids one in a fight. That's been a thing since forever.
And so has needing training, like a lot of it, and that even the most powerful & experienced Jedi can be outmatched by Sith of lower power if they are more experienced, Dooku is far weaker than Anakin is in terms of raw power but he bests Anakin their first time facing off because he is more experienced and the power of the darkside aids him, supposedly Luke is more powerful than Vader but again Vader is more refined in his abilities and training so he can beat Luke with just basic training.
I have no issue with Rey being more powerful than Kylo she's the hero that's what we expect to happen, but where as in the OT & PT in the middle chapter the heroes suffer a defeat which A: puts the villains higher up on the threat scale, but also B: give the heroes something to strive for, in TLJ this doesn't happen, in all 3 trilogies the 2nd film ends with the heroes at their lowest point, the empire rooted them off their base, cut of lukes hand and has captured Han, the republic is now at war with Dooku's alliance, Anakins lost his hand with the hints of Vader are starting to shine through, and Palpatine is now even more powerful, the resistance is decimated, they just lost their most powerful warrior, and Rey just let their most dangerous opponent live after he killed the even more imposing and dangerous Snoke?
Personally the guard fight scene I wouldn't have minded it had they changed 2 things, one Kylo doesn't need the sabre to kill the last guy, even if Rey gives it to him he breaks free and then uses a force crush or force lightning to painfully kill the guy, highlighting an evolution in his power and fall to the darkside even more, then Kylo either wakes up first or at the same time as Rey, troopers want to kill her but he wants her detained as he goes to deal with the resistance, then Rey easily escapes, this way Rey doesn't just randomly leaves Kylo alive for no reason, and should Kylo wake up first him leaving Rey alive teases the danger he posses now as he literally held her life in his hands.
In regards to Luke I felt like he was a waste, you liked him thats great, personally I found the hermit living alone in exhile like Obi Wan was but without any noble purpose behind it lame, same for having him and Rey meet up to amount to almost nothing, I mean they had Leia in a coma during the film what happens to Luke during his time with Rey that couldn't be achieved by Leia reaching out to him with the force? I mean all you need Rey for is to establish Lukes cut himself off from it, then leave and he chooses to open himself up again and boom, and personally I wanted more of a connection between he and Leia than what we got, I don't mind how he went out tbh though, that part I kind of liked, especially as it alludes to the Jedi weren't meant to be warriors as a primary function, and fighting was meant to be a last resort, so Luke found a way to save the day without fighting, even at the cost of his own life.
But to the Luke/Vader fights imo I always thought it wasn't Vader was conflicted but he was purposely holding back, he wanted Luke to join him, he doesn't want Luke to follow the Emperor but help him kill Palpatine, when Luke overpowers him he does so by tapping into his hate and the darkside, fuelling him beyond what Vader anticipated, where as Rey just opens herself to the force, but in that way of the force influencing them is meant to be an innate ability with force users? which is what gives them the appearance of beyond normal instincts and reflexes, which again can be trained and honed for greater awareness, but this is why Anakin & Luke are such exceptional pilots from the get go, also why I don't have an issue with Rey's instincts for flying, her technical ability is a little different though.
And to me she was a Mary Sue based on her ability to do whatever is required at any moment, maybe one thing is more my own bias with her mechanical skills because all we get shown prior to her being a tech whizz is she can pull shit apart, believe me so can I, I have no idea how to put the fucking things together again though and know they will work, she knows every language she is confronted with, she can fly the falcon without any seemingly flight training, also to keep her viable they have to lower Kylo, atleast in the other the heroes rise up to match the villain in this the villain shrinks to match the hero, and it's shit imo, because whilst making Rey number 1 you make Kylo look worthless, but he's the main antagonist shouldn't he be menacing or atleast competent?
But with Rey when she is an ace pilot, mechanic, multi lingual, natural jedi master, able to over power even an emotional fuel trained Jedi/Sith warrior trained from what childhood, that everyone forms a deep bond with like they have known each other for years after just 5 minutes, and no apparent reason, when their was a chance she was someone connected to most it made sense, Finn it works regardless she's part first crush and first friend he's ever made outside the Order, but the rest it's just like uhuh ok Rey is perfect, everyone love Rey, that wasn't the case with Han, Luke or Leia they all had character flaws & traits that people can find annoying, Luke is whiny, Han is arrogant, Leia is rude, Obi Wan is a bull shitter, Yoda's a bit of a dick, and everyone notices it about the others
And the origin of Mary Sue is stated here
Sounds oddly similar to Rey to me, replace Spock, Kirk & McCoy with Han, Luke & Leia and it's a perfect fit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 6:30:58 GMT
I dont understand why it has to be a gay actress for a gay character, damn it PC wins again. Sir Ian McKellen (who is gay) plays straight characters...
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Post by dazz on Sept 1, 2018 7:13:37 GMT
I dont understand why it has to be a gay actress for a gay character, damn it PC wins again. Sir Ian McKellen (who is gay) plays straight characters... Well that's more anti PC if you think about it, it's discrimination based on sexuality, same reason I am against the female superheroes movies must have female directors, it's just like no whoever is best for the role should have the job, sexuality and gender be damned.
Now obviously it's easier and a more natural fit to get these people to do these roles or tell these stories because they have an approach others wont, but to say it's a must imo is wrong and ignorant, it being the preferred choice is fine though, so long as theres a willingness to keep an open mind, which is what we need, people being open minded, ignorance on any side of any argument or issue is ignorance all the same and a sure fire way to fuck things up.
Though I can get the why you would want to hire a person who fits the community to play the role, one it adds to the coverage you'll get, sad but an honest assessment of what motivates this shit, but also it helps normalise this not to be seen but who can be cast for stuff, like how Patty Jenkins success with WW helped her but also other women to getting more chances for directing larger franchises, so will having a lead played by an open lesbian in a lesbian role, which sadly is the side effect of this and not the intended effect...fuck Hollywood or in this case Vancouver is weird.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 1, 2018 14:52:09 GMT
Hollywood is run by marketing and a lot of this is just a form of gimmicking to get butts in the seats. On one hand it sucks but on the other hand it has opened up positions to actors and directors they wouldn't have otherwise.
I imagine as the novelty wears off and things get back to normal we'll see people being hired based on being the best for the job and not because of their gender or sexual orientation.
And maybe pigs will fly someday.
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Post by dazz on Sept 2, 2018 0:45:46 GMT
What do you mean someday I always assumed Harvey Weinstein owned his own plane...what no laughs?? fuck you people.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 2, 2018 0:49:15 GMT
Took me awhile to get the joke. Well played sir. Well played.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 11:56:51 GMT
I personally don't get the hate for 'The Last Jedi.' It was far from being a masterpiece and I was kinda disappointed with what they did with Luke Skywalker having him lose hope and become old and bitter but I have seen far worse movies in franchises and don't think it deserves the level of hate it gets. I also don't think 'The Last Jedi' is to blame for 'Solo' not being a major success and some might disagree but I think 'Solo' still would have fared the same if it had been made after 'The Force Awakens.' Most people I know that went to see 'The Last Jedi' and are going to see Episode 9 didn't go to see 'Solo' 'cause they simply just weren't interested in a movie about Han Solo especially one without Harrison Ford. If Harrison Ford had been the main star I am betting it would have been more successful but not having Harrison who was so closely associated with the character hurt the movie. Personally for me it was a combo of things, firstly the plot was horseshit, it was an episode of Rebels stretched to over 2 hours, the characters were idiots, why was Laura Dern keeping Poe in the dark when she knows he's an impulsive hot head who at best is reluctantly willing to disregard the orders of a superior he respects, let alone some random chick he never met before? they shit on everything people were anticipating about the film since TFA, once or twice is fine and funny but to do it at every stop is insulting, the retarded princess Leia poppin's scene, they still make Rey a mary sue but now she's an arrogant thieving mary sue...well done idiots, and then the made Luke such a waste of a character and fucking weird also...green milk from the tit/bollocks of some ugly fucking creature.
Also didn't help how much shit got hyped including retarded stuff like the Rose story and hype about KMT and it ends up being the throwaway side story that means nothing, accomplishes nothing, and has one of the most retarded moments in all of SW history, Rose stops Finn from trying to take out that cannon thing to ensure it breaks down the door protecting all that remains of the resistance, if they die the universe is fucked, but no must save Finn because she "loves" him, that's even more spasticated than Leia being in "love" with Han at the end of Empire, no fuckers it aint love you just want to fuck them learn the difference, plus KMT was meh acting wise so I don't get why anyone had high hopes for the character or her performance going in, but I saw a lot of it for both.
IMO the story to TLJ could have worked but it was awfully executed, Finn & Rose mean nothing to the film, literally nothing they do matters at all, Rey and Luke being at odds would have worked had they not been so pig headed to make sure everyone knew Rey was in the right, Luke having a point makes the story mean more but they refuse to acknowledge this, Poe doubting Holdo would have been fine and her hiding her plan from him IF they introduced a mole element to the story, that's why she's secretive and he half uncovers the story which is why he doubts her and bingo makes sense.
Then they piss away Snoke, and for what? to make emo Vader the one bad guy? but then he's not a threat because he was going to get killed had Rey not saved his butt 5 minutes later, so why take out the threatening baddy who even made Rey the super jedi look like a chump just to still have Rey be superior at all points to Kylo still? where is the drama there? even in ROTJ when Luke is shown being a dangerous dude early on when he and Vader face they are equal but Luke is more timid to the unflinching Vader, until Luke goes ape shit atleast, you believe as strong as Luke is Vader is even worse, but yet subservient to the Emperor hinting at his power, who believes Kylo is a threat at this point? Rey whooped him in TFA with no training, she slayed the guards in TLJ no problem and saved Kylo again, then he gets knocked out by the lightsabre explosion but she either doesn't or get out before he comes too, and again with little to no actual training, by E9 if she's even been doing light jedi work outs she should be able to massacre that emo prick easily.
That's why hate TLJ, if others like it that's great glad someone does, I fucking hate it though.
Beccy and I have been re-watching the Star Wars movies over the past week and we started with the prequel trilogy and watched ‘The Phantom Menace’, ‘Attack of the Clones’ and ‘Revenge of the Sith’ and then we moved onto the original trilogy and watched ‘A New Hope’, ‘The Empire Sticks Back and ‘Return of the Jedi’ and we are going to watch ‘The Force Awakens’ and ‘The Last Jedi’ again next but we are watching Smackdown and ‘Mr Mercedes’ tonight and there are a number of continuity errors in the franchise and they stand out when you watch 1, 2 and 3 followed by 4,5 and 6 and I have been discussing them with another member on here but all in all I don’t think any of them are particularly that horrible and I think the prequels get a lot of unfair hate and have enjoyable parts in them.
Apart from the original Star Wars movies coming out years before ‘The Phantom Menace’, ‘Attack of the Clones’ and ‘Revenge of the Sith’ I am honestly not sure why we call them prequels anymore and that might sound somewhat controversial to some but from my understanding a prequel is meant to be a story that takes place before the first book, movie or TV show and ‘A New Hope’ wasn’t the first ‘Star Wars’ movie in the series even though it came out first and was always ‘Star Wars IV’ and there were always plans to make movies of Episodes 1, 2 and 3. George Lucas even said in an interview he originally planned on making ‘The Phantom Menace’ first but at the time he couldn’t find an actor he thought was right for the role of Anakin Skywalker so he skipped ahead to the 4 so technically I don’t think they are prequels.
If they released movies before ‘The Phantom Menace’ they would be prequels but since the movies are Episodes 1, 2 and 3 they are part of the main timeline much like Episodes 7 and 8 are now and it seems odd to refer to them as prequels looking at them as a whole. With Disney planning on making more ‘Star Wars’ movies and TV shows it’s likely we will get a proper prequel movie to ‘The Phantom Menace’ one day and it could happen sooner than we think. Personally I would like to see a movie of Yoda that explains how he became a Jedi and there is so much of Yoda’s backstory that is clouded in mystery that fans would like to see and he said in ‘Return of the Jedi’ he was over 900 years old. My biggest problem with the newest movies is I don’t find Kylo Ren to be a great villain compared to the Emperor and Darth Vadar and I feel he isn’t as intimidating or scary as Darth Vadar and the Emperor were or even Darth Maul for that matter.
I wasn’t surprised when Rey beat him in ‘The Force Awakens’ ‘cause he doesn't come across as being as powerful as Darth Vadar or Darth Maul and he did kill Snooke in 'The Last Jedi' but he got him by cheap shot when Snooke wasn't expecting it and if he had been expecting Kylo to try and kill him it probably would have been a different story. I think they should have given Rey a better and more powerful villain to go against and made them more scary looking. I mean Darth Vadar has a particular look and presence in the movies and Darth Maul even had that too but Kylo just seemed like a Darth Vadar wannabe and without the mask now he doesn't look that intimidating. I think the other biggest mistake was not making Rey a Skywalker to continue on the Skywalker story of the other movies and I think they should have had her parents at least be Jedis or related to them but that is just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 12:10:01 GMT
I dont understand why it has to be a gay actress for a gay character, damn it PC wins again. Sir Ian McKellen (who is gay) plays straight characters... I personally don't think an actor or actress should need to be homosexual to play a homosexual character either and we have had plenty of homosexual actors play hetero roles as you mentioned but I think if there is a Homosexual or Bisexual actor or actress that is a good fit for the role they should go with them over a heterosexual one. Sydney Sweeney is a good example of this and she is bisexual and has said in interviews she wants to play more lesbian roles for her fans and there are a lot of roles she could be playing. My only problem with LGBT representation when it comes to choosing actors for roles is when they pick them based on stereotypes and you probably didn't know but John Barrowman who played Malcolm Merlyn in 'Arrow' originally auditioned for the role of Will in 'Will & Grace' and he got turned down 'cause they told him he wasn't 'gay enough' when the actor is gay in real life. It is kinda like how they cast American actors in Australian roles and they make them put on these ridiculous over-the-top accents that sound nothing like us when they could easily cast one of the hundreds of Australian actors working in Hollywood now and get them to drop the false American accent.
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Post by dazz on Sept 12, 2018 16:10:30 GMT
Personally for me it was a combo of things, firstly the plot was horseshit, it was an episode of Rebels stretched to over 2 hours, the characters were idiots, why was Laura Dern keeping Poe in the dark when she knows he's an impulsive hot head who at best is reluctantly willing to disregard the orders of a superior he respects, let alone some random chick he never met before? they shit on everything people were anticipating about the film since TFA, once or twice is fine and funny but to do it at every stop is insulting, the retarded princess Leia poppin's scene, they still make Rey a mary sue but now she's an arrogant thieving mary sue...well done idiots, and then the made Luke such a waste of a character and fucking weird also...green milk from the tit/bollocks of some ugly fucking creature.
Also didn't help how much shit got hyped including retarded stuff like the Rose story and hype about KMT and it ends up being the throwaway side story that means nothing, accomplishes nothing, and has one of the most retarded moments in all of SW history, Rose stops Finn from trying to take out that cannon thing to ensure it breaks down the door protecting all that remains of the resistance, if they die the universe is fucked, but no must save Finn because she "loves" him, that's even more spasticated than Leia being in "love" with Han at the end of Empire, no fuckers it aint love you just want to fuck them learn the difference, plus KMT was meh acting wise so I don't get why anyone had high hopes for the character or her performance going in, but I saw a lot of it for both.
IMO the story to TLJ could have worked but it was awfully executed, Finn & Rose mean nothing to the film, literally nothing they do matters at all, Rey and Luke being at odds would have worked had they not been so pig headed to make sure everyone knew Rey was in the right, Luke having a point makes the story mean more but they refuse to acknowledge this, Poe doubting Holdo would have been fine and her hiding her plan from him IF they introduced a mole element to the story, that's why she's secretive and he half uncovers the story which is why he doubts her and bingo makes sense.
Then they piss away Snoke, and for what? to make emo Vader the one bad guy? but then he's not a threat because he was going to get killed had Rey not saved his butt 5 minutes later, so why take out the threatening baddy who even made Rey the super jedi look like a chump just to still have Rey be superior at all points to Kylo still? where is the drama there? even in ROTJ when Luke is shown being a dangerous dude early on when he and Vader face they are equal but Luke is more timid to the unflinching Vader, until Luke goes ape shit atleast, you believe as strong as Luke is Vader is even worse, but yet subservient to the Emperor hinting at his power, who believes Kylo is a threat at this point? Rey whooped him in TFA with no training, she slayed the guards in TLJ no problem and saved Kylo again, then he gets knocked out by the lightsabre explosion but she either doesn't or get out before he comes too, and again with little to no actual training, by E9 if she's even been doing light jedi work outs she should be able to massacre that emo prick easily.
That's why hate TLJ, if others like it that's great glad someone does, I fucking hate it though.
Beccy and I have been re-watching the Star Wars movies over the past week and we started with the prequel trilogy and watched ‘The Phantom Menace’, ‘Attack of the Clones’ and ‘Revenge of the Sith’ and then we moved onto the original trilogy and watched ‘A New Hope’, ‘The Empire Sticks Back and ‘Return of the Jedi’ and we are going to watch ‘The Force Awakens’ and ‘The Last Jedi’ again next but we are watching Smackdown and ‘Mr Mercedes’ tonight and there are a number of continuity errors in the franchise and they stand out when you watch 1, 2 and 3 followed by 4,5 and 6 and I have been discussing them with another member on here but all in all I don’t think any of them are particularly that horrible and I think the prequels get a lot of unfair hate and have enjoyable parts in them.
Apart from the original Star Wars movies coming out years before ‘The Phantom Menace’, ‘Attack of the Clones’ and ‘Revenge of the Sith’ I am honestly not sure why we call them prequels anymore and that might sound somewhat controversial to some but from my understanding a prequel is meant to be a story that takes place before the first book, movie or TV show and ‘A New Hope’ wasn’t the first ‘Star Wars’ movie in the series even though it came out first and was always ‘Star Wars IV’ and there were always plans to make movies of Episodes 1, 2 and 3. George Lucas even said in an interview he originally planned on making ‘The Phantom Menace’ first but at the time he couldn’t find an actor he thought was right for the role of Anakin Skywalker so he skipped ahead to the 4 so technically I don’t think they are prequels.
If they released movies before ‘The Phantom Menace’ they would be prequels but since the movies are Episodes 1, 2 and 3 they are part of the main timeline much like Episodes 7 and 8 are now and it seems odd to refer to them as prequels looking at them as a whole. With Disney planning on making more ‘Star Wars’ movies and TV shows it’s likely we will get a proper prequel movie to ‘The Phantom Menace’ one day and it could happen sooner than we think. Personally I would like to see a movie of Yoda that explains how he became a Jedi and there is so much of Yoda’s backstory that is clouded in mystery that fans would like to see and he said in ‘Return of the Jedi’ he was over 900 years old. My biggest problem with the newest movies is I don’t find Kylo Ren to be a great villain compared to the Emperor and Darth Vadar and I feel he isn’t as intimidating or scary as Darth Vadar and the Emperor were or even Darth Maul for that matter.
I wasn’t surprised when Rey beat him in ‘The Force Awakens’ ‘cause he doesn't come across as being as powerful as Darth Vadar or Darth Maul and he did kill Snooke in 'The Last Jedi' but he got him by cheap shot when Snooke wasn't expecting it and if he had been expecting Kylo to try and kill him it probably would have been a different story. I think they should have given Rey a better and more powerful villain to go against and made them more scary looking. I mean Darth Vadar has a particular look and presence in the movies and Darth Maul even had that too but Kylo just seemed like a Darth Vadar wannabe and without the mask now he doesn't look that intimidating. I think the other biggest mistake was not making Rey a Skywalker to continue on the Skywalker story of the other movies and I think they should have had her parents at least be Jedis or related to them but that is just my opinion. Lucas says a lot of shit, the prequels were never planned out, but setting Star Wars as Ep 4 meant he didn't have to set anything up, shit was just happening, he's said he had 6 movies planned, no 9, wait 12, nah he only had the first trilogy planned out, but it's all bullshit because the OT doesn't fit properly anyway, Vader is Anakin wasn't planned out, nor Luke & Leia being siblings, obviously, with the PT though it's obvious nothing was planned out, I mean when you look at it the prequels don't even set up anything other than the empire and Vader as it's big enforcer, nothing else matters really other than Anakin having kids, even stuff we are told was set up in that time isn't, Anakin and Obiwan aren't great friends like they claimed in ANH, Anakin borders on hating Kenobi at times, Naboo doesn't matter, the gungans don't matter, the trade federation, the separatist, the clones none of those things matter in the later movies.
I agree about Kylo he is not imposing at all which is what TLJ should have been setting him up to become, sure he offed Snoke like a bitch but had they then had him show a greater level of power after, showing a descent into the darkside it could have paid off, or have him off Snoke stight up, using force lightning to fry him like a kipper then do the big fight as they did Rey throws him the sabre but he uses the force to get out and then he just crushes the dude in his armour using the force sadistically in front of Rey's eyes imo would have made him far more threatening, but yeah Adam Driver is not a big bad type he doesn't have the presence to pull it off, but they could have tried to make up for it.
Rey imo doesn't need to be a Skywalker but she shouldn't be the most powerful jedi ever either, that was Anakin and it's canon that's what he was, he was the 1 Jedi who could take the place of the father in maintaining the balance between the son and the daughter aka the dark and the light sides of the force, no one else needs to be like that, that was Anakin leave it be, also to me the good guy being the naturally stronger and bestest ever sucks as a narrative, if their the best anyway whats the fucking point, Rocky is a great story because it's about the guy who is outclassed in everyway but one, he has heart, and that gives him a punchers chance against the best in the world.
The prequels in SW though are bad, not because of whats in them but like TLJ it's how the story is executed, but to a worse degree, where RJ made stupid choices at times imo in the PT it's all because of Lucas and his focus, had an actors director been doing those films so much more would have worked, but Lucas was focused on the effects and imagery, he's also kind of weirdly into the silly humour that doesn't always need to be shown, such as in the remakes of the OT, when he doesn't just add in more CGI stuff so that all the films have a similar bustling nature, but he has to add in silly things like a guy falling off his creature for no reason, a creature farting and shit, and the dialogue in so many of the scenes suck, especially with Anakin & Padme, that's half the PT story is their love but can anyone by that shit? writing wise it's no better or worse than the Han & Leia stuff but Fisher & Ford delivered it all with personality where as Hayden literally sounds like an android at times and more robotic than the flipping droids.
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Post by dazz on Sept 12, 2018 16:20:28 GMT
I dont understand why it has to be a gay actress for a gay character, damn it PC wins again. Sir Ian McKellen (who is gay) plays straight characters... I personally don't think an actor or actress should need to be homosexual to play a homosexual character either and we have had plenty of homosexual actors play hetero roles as you mentioned but I think if there is a Homosexual or Bisexual actor or actress that is a good fit for the role they should go with them over a heterosexual one. Sydney Sweeney is a good example of this and she is bisexual and has said in interviews she wants to play more lesbian roles for her fans and there are a lot of roles she could be playing. My only problem with LGBT representation when it comes to choosing actors for roles is when they pick them based on stereotypes and you probably didn't know but John Barrowman who played Malcolm Merlyn in 'Arrow' originally auditioned for the role of Will in 'Will & Grace' and he got turned down 'cause they told him he wasn't 'gay enough' when the actor is gay in real life. It is kinda like how they cast American actors in Australian roles and they make them put on these ridiculous over-the-top accents that sound nothing like us when they could easily cast one of the hundreds of Australian actors working in Hollywood now and get them to drop the false American accent.
TBF with Barrowman we are talking the 90's so people were fucking stupid then, atleast now even if that's what the dicks hiring people think they aint dumb enough to say it, and the accent thing I think is so daft, like why make the actors put on an accent, how vital is it 95% of the time these character be from where they are meant to be from? almost never, only times you have the excuse for a bad accent is if the role requires the character to have it or else it fucks shit up and the actor is just too perfect for the role, otherwise if they cant nail the accent fuck it, I mean did Cumberbum need to put on the bad accent in Dr Strange? no he didn't need to be American he could have been British and just lived in NY.
But how often do they make American's put on an Aussie accent? normally it's the opposite way around, or you know make the Aussies sound englishy, I tell you what though I hate 90% of Americans doing British accents, most of the time they either go posh or they go fucking Australian, it would be like me doing an "American" accent and soundling like im from fucking Alberta or some shit.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 23, 2018 17:40:17 GMT
I always find it funny in British shows when they have an American character they always go with a Southern accent. Not sure if that's because it's an easier accent to do or they think we're all rednecks.
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Post by dazz on Sept 24, 2018 0:32:11 GMT
We only reflect what we see...
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 25, 2018 18:46:33 GMT
Okay that got a laugh out me. Not going to lie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 11:41:36 GMT
Beccy and I have been re-watching the Star Wars movies over the past week and we started with the prequel trilogy and watched ‘The Phantom Menace’, ‘Attack of the Clones’ and ‘Revenge of the Sith’ and then we moved onto the original trilogy and watched ‘A New Hope’, ‘The Empire Sticks Back and ‘Return of the Jedi’ and we are going to watch ‘The Force Awakens’ and ‘The Last Jedi’ again next but we are watching Smackdown and ‘Mr Mercedes’ tonight and there are a number of continuity errors in the franchise and they stand out when you watch 1, 2 and 3 followed by 4,5 and 6 and I have been discussing them with another member on here but all in all I don’t think any of them are particularly that horrible and I think the prequels get a lot of unfair hate and have enjoyable parts in them.
Apart from the original Star Wars movies coming out years before ‘The Phantom Menace’, ‘Attack of the Clones’ and ‘Revenge of the Sith’ I am honestly not sure why we call them prequels anymore and that might sound somewhat controversial to some but from my understanding a prequel is meant to be a story that takes place before the first book, movie or TV show and ‘A New Hope’ wasn’t the first ‘Star Wars’ movie in the series even though it came out first and was always ‘Star Wars IV’ and there were always plans to make movies of Episodes 1, 2 and 3. George Lucas even said in an interview he originally planned on making ‘The Phantom Menace’ first but at the time he couldn’t find an actor he thought was right for the role of Anakin Skywalker so he skipped ahead to the 4 so technically I don’t think they are prequels.
If they released movies before ‘The Phantom Menace’ they would be prequels but since the movies are Episodes 1, 2 and 3 they are part of the main timeline much like Episodes 7 and 8 are now and it seems odd to refer to them as prequels looking at them as a whole. With Disney planning on making more ‘Star Wars’ movies and TV shows it’s likely we will get a proper prequel movie to ‘The Phantom Menace’ one day and it could happen sooner than we think. Personally I would like to see a movie of Yoda that explains how he became a Jedi and there is so much of Yoda’s backstory that is clouded in mystery that fans would like to see and he said in ‘Return of the Jedi’ he was over 900 years old. My biggest problem with the newest movies is I don’t find Kylo Ren to be a great villain compared to the Emperor and Darth Vadar and I feel he isn’t as intimidating or scary as Darth Vadar and the Emperor were or even Darth Maul for that matter.
I wasn’t surprised when Rey beat him in ‘The Force Awakens’ ‘cause he doesn't come across as being as powerful as Darth Vadar or Darth Maul and he did kill Snooke in 'The Last Jedi' but he got him by cheap shot when Snooke wasn't expecting it and if he had been expecting Kylo to try and kill him it probably would have been a different story. I think they should have given Rey a better and more powerful villain to go against and made them more scary looking. I mean Darth Vadar has a particular look and presence in the movies and Darth Maul even had that too but Kylo just seemed like a Darth Vadar wannabe and without the mask now he doesn't look that intimidating. I think the other biggest mistake was not making Rey a Skywalker to continue on the Skywalker story of the other movies and I think they should have had her parents at least be Jedis or related to them but that is just my opinion. Lucas says a lot of shit, the prequels were never planned out, but setting Star Wars as Ep 4 meant he didn't have to set anything up, shit was just happening, he's said he had 6 movies planned, no 9, wait 12, nah he only had the first trilogy planned out, but it's all bullshit because the OT doesn't fit properly anyway, Vader is Anakin wasn't planned out, nor Luke & Leia being siblings, obviously, with the PT though it's obvious nothing was planned out, I mean when you look at it the prequels don't even set up anything other than the empire and Vader as it's big enforcer, nothing else matters really other than Anakin having kids, even stuff we are told was set up in that time isn't, Anakin and Obiwan aren't great friends like they claimed in ANH, Anakin borders on hating Kenobi at times, Naboo doesn't matter, the gungans don't matter, the trade federation, the separatist, the clones none of those things matter in the later movies.
I agree about Kylo he is not imposing at all which is what TLJ should have been setting him up to become, sure he offed Snoke like a bitch but had they then had him show a greater level of power after, showing a descent into the darkside it could have paid off, or have him off Snoke stight up, using force lightning to fry him like a kipper then do the big fight as they did Rey throws him the sabre but he uses the force to get out and then he just crushes the dude in his armour using the force sadistically in front of Rey's eyes imo would have made him far more threatening, but yeah Adam Driver is not a big bad type he doesn't have the presence to pull it off, but they could have tried to make up for it.
Rey imo doesn't need to be a Skywalker but she shouldn't be the most powerful jedi ever either, that was Anakin and it's canon that's what he was, he was the 1 Jedi who could take the place of the father in maintaining the balance between the son and the daughter aka the dark and the light sides of the force, no one else needs to be like that, that was Anakin leave it be, also to me the good guy being the naturally stronger and bestest ever sucks as a narrative, if their the best anyway whats the fucking point, Rocky is a great story because it's about the guy who is outclassed in everyway but one, he has heart, and that gives him a punchers chance against the best in the world.
The prequels in SW though are bad, not because of whats in them but like TLJ it's how the story is executed, but to a worse degree, where RJ made stupid choices at times imo in the PT it's all because of Lucas and his focus, had an actors director been doing those films so much more would have worked, but Lucas was focused on the effects and imagery, he's also kind of weirdly into the silly humour that doesn't always need to be shown, such as in the remakes of the OT, when he doesn't just add in more CGI stuff so that all the films have a similar bustling nature, but he has to add in silly things like a guy falling off his creature for no reason, a creature farting and shit, and the dialogue in so many of the scenes suck, especially with Anakin & Padme, that's half the PT story is their love but can anyone by that shit? writing wise it's no better or worse than the Han & Leia stuff but Fisher & Ford delivered it all with personality where as Hayden literally sounds like an android at times and more robotic than the flipping droids.
I believe him with the sequel franchise to ‘Return of the Jedi’ ‘cause Mark Hamill has said quite a bit about that like how Luke was going to get a love interest and go on to have a daughter and Leia was going to become a Jedi too and it was supposed to be filmed in the late 80s/ early 90s and they showed old footage of Mark talking about this back in 1988 or 1989 on Studio 10 but in a similar situation to ‘Ghostbusters 3’ with Bill Murray Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher wouldn’t come back for the movies which never made any sense to me considering how successful the ‘Star Wars’ films were and how many fans wanted sequels to them. It is possible there was a falling out between Carrie and Harrison with George Lucas like there was with Bill Murray and Harold Ramis in the 90s and that was why they turned down coming back until all these years later.
I am very interested in how the reaction from fans would have been if they had made the sequels to the original trilogy instead of the prequels with Mark, Harrison, Carrie and others all returning in the leading roles ‘cause a lot of people who criticise the new movies say that is what they wanted to see and dislike how they focused on Rey and Finn instead of Luke, Leia and Han but I have a feeling they will make those movies one day with new actors playing Luke, Han and Leia but what they come up with will be different than the sequel trilogy George Lucas was originally planning. I just read Disney have plans to reboot ‘Star Wars’ if Episode 9 flops and I am actually surprised they didn’t just remake ‘Star Wars’, ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ and ‘Return of the Jedi’ instead of making a sequel franchise.
Hollywood love their remakes and remaking those movies with new actors would be a lot cheaper to do than coming up with new movies and would have less risks ‘cause they are adapting a trilogy they already know people like but if they do that and they are well received it would give Disney a chance to make a sequel franchise to ‘Return of the Jedi’ keeping the new actors they have playing the roles of Luke, Leia and Han and they could even change some things and make it that Darth Vader lives at the end of ‘Return of the Jedi’ and Anakin becomes a hero again and helps his son to redeem himself for all the things he did while he was Darth Vader. I am not sure how they are going to continue with the franchise if Episode 9 is successful and they keep going with Episodes 10, 11 and 12 ‘cause both actors who play Rey and Finn have said Episode 9 will be their last unless the young boy we saw at the end of ‘The Last Jedi’ who I believe will become a Jedi is turned into the main star.
Yeah. George Lucas obviously didn’t have Luke or Leia planned as being siblings or he wouldn’t have had them kissing each other in the first two movies and I wouldn’t be surprised if Leia was originally meant end up with Luke Skywalker but as the ‘Star Wars’ movies went on George liked her with Han Solo so he decided to make them siblings to keep a connection between them ‘cause when you look back at things there was never any acknowledgement of Leia being Darth Vadar’s daughter and that was weird ‘cause he knew Luke was his son but didn’t know Leia was his sister. When Vadar had her hostage in the first movie he didn’t tell her he was her Father like he told Luke in ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ and the only thing you could really say was he let her live where he killed everybody else that got in his way and he did that ‘cause he knew Leia was his daughter.
I think there should have been more talk about Leia being Darth Vadar’s daughter too and you have to really wonder if Leia would have been as forgiving as Luke if she had been the one who went after her Father ‘cause he blew up Alderan and killed heaps of innocent people she cared for deeply and I don’t think she would have been as forgiving as Luke and probably would have wanted him dead.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 29, 2018 18:27:55 GMT
I'm not sure that there was a falling out between Carrie and Harrison; it's not impossible, especially given their purported sexual history, but I think it was more the initial shock of popularity playing these types of roles and being young and not wanting to be pigeonholed. It's at least somewhat different now than it was then for actors; I'd like to think actors aren't as likely to get typed cast as they were then. With a lot of these iconic characters, you have actors taking on roles for something they didn't think would amount to much, but would at least be a paycheck; and then suddenly it becomes the defining point of their career, and not always for the better. You've got Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner spending years trying to distance themselves from the roles that made them famous with Star Trek; and if memory serves neither Harrison or Carrie really knew what they were signing up for when they were offered Star Wars. Harrison Ford especially has always struck me as someone who sees himself as "too cool for school" when it comes to the more surreal fantasy based movies, even though he's several. If I recall correctly, word was that he would have preferred to have been killed off at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Somehow Lucas managed to get them all under some pretty solid, but one-sided contracts; which is how the Christmas Special came about... I was not at all surprised he got killed off in Force Awakens, and imagine that may have likely been a precondition for his return to the franchise.
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Post by dazz on Sept 29, 2018 19:14:31 GMT
I'm not sure that there was a falling out between Carrie and Harrison; it's not impossible, especially given their purported sexual history, but I think it was more the initial shock of popularity playing these types of roles and being young and not wanting to be pigeonholed. It's at least somewhat different now than it was then for actors; I'd like to think actors aren't as likely to get typed cast as they were then. With a lot of these iconic characters, you have actors taking on roles for something they didn't think would amount to much, but would at least be a paycheck; and then suddenly it becomes the defining point of their career, and not always for the better. You've got Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner spending years trying to distance themselves from the roles that made them famous with Star Trek; and if memory serves neither Harrison or Carrie really knew what they were signing up for when they were offered Star Wars. Harrison Ford especially has always struck me as someone who sees himself as "too cool for school" when it comes to the more surreal fantasy based movies, even though he's several. If I recall correctly, word was that he would have preferred to have been killed off at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Somehow Lucas managed to get them all under some pretty solid, but one-sided contracts; which is how the Christmas Special came about... I was not at all surprised he got killed off in Force Awakens, and imagine that may have likely been a precondition for his return to the franchise. I know Ford wanted to be killed off in both Empire & Jedi, supposedly because he felt it meant more to his character that he be the one to die for the group as he was the one not fully commited to the fight like the others, so the loner scoundrel giving his life for his friends would mean something, but I also heard it's because he hated a lot of his dialog because he's reportedly by a lot of people and maybe even himself turned around and told Lucas one time, you can write this shit down all you want but I wont say this shit.
Also I think it's a falling out between Lucas & the cast because he got them with some very unfavourable contracts, Fisher I know had an issue with Lucas basically owning the rights to her image in perpetuity, and god knows if they made any of the billions he made off of the merch for SW, Hamil seems less likely to get stressed over stuff because he just seems a lot more chill, Ford's supposedly a grump a lot and Fisher was even by her own admission shall we say emotional at times in her life.
Also have to wonder if what they were being paid at the time was one sided also, SW back then was one of the rarer $100+m films, and in each year they came out the OT all did around double the box office atleast domestically than the No.2 movie of the year, only exception was the original SW which still almost double the take that Smokey & The Bandit made, but pretty sure Burt Reynolds made more than double what the entire main cast of SW made combined for his film.
Also Ford never loved being Solo that wasn't his thing, he loved Indianna Jones though, and some have said that killing Han wasn't the only stipulation he had in his deal to come back for TFA, that they may have had to entice him back with the promise of a final IJ film.
Also in regards to him wanting Han to be killed off the only reason it wasn't done because it was in the script at one point for either Empire or Jedi maybe even both but they cut it because Lucas felt killing Han could hurt toy sales, and I mean when the man in charge is making choices based on that it makes sense why an actor wouldn't want to be a part of the franchise anymore, especially if they aren't making a piece off of those toy sales.
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Post by dazz on Sept 29, 2018 19:40:53 GMT
Lucas says a lot of shit, the prequels were never planned out, but setting Star Wars as Ep 4 meant he didn't have to set anything up, shit was just happening, he's said he had 6 movies planned, no 9, wait 12, nah he only had the first trilogy planned out, but it's all bullshit because the OT doesn't fit properly anyway, Vader is Anakin wasn't planned out, nor Luke & Leia being siblings, obviously, with the PT though it's obvious nothing was planned out, I mean when you look at it the prequels don't even set up anything other than the empire and Vader as it's big enforcer, nothing else matters really other than Anakin having kids, even stuff we are told was set up in that time isn't, Anakin and Obiwan aren't great friends like they claimed in ANH, Anakin borders on hating Kenobi at times, Naboo doesn't matter, the gungans don't matter, the trade federation, the separatist, the clones none of those things matter in the later movies.
I agree about Kylo he is not imposing at all which is what TLJ should have been setting him up to become, sure he offed Snoke like a bitch but had they then had him show a greater level of power after, showing a descent into the darkside it could have paid off, or have him off Snoke stight up, using force lightning to fry him like a kipper then do the big fight as they did Rey throws him the sabre but he uses the force to get out and then he just crushes the dude in his armour using the force sadistically in front of Rey's eyes imo would have made him far more threatening, but yeah Adam Driver is not a big bad type he doesn't have the presence to pull it off, but they could have tried to make up for it.
Rey imo doesn't need to be a Skywalker but she shouldn't be the most powerful jedi ever either, that was Anakin and it's canon that's what he was, he was the 1 Jedi who could take the place of the father in maintaining the balance between the son and the daughter aka the dark and the light sides of the force, no one else needs to be like that, that was Anakin leave it be, also to me the good guy being the naturally stronger and bestest ever sucks as a narrative, if their the best anyway whats the fucking point, Rocky is a great story because it's about the guy who is outclassed in everyway but one, he has heart, and that gives him a punchers chance against the best in the world.
The prequels in SW though are bad, not because of whats in them but like TLJ it's how the story is executed, but to a worse degree, where RJ made stupid choices at times imo in the PT it's all because of Lucas and his focus, had an actors director been doing those films so much more would have worked, but Lucas was focused on the effects and imagery, he's also kind of weirdly into the silly humour that doesn't always need to be shown, such as in the remakes of the OT, when he doesn't just add in more CGI stuff so that all the films have a similar bustling nature, but he has to add in silly things like a guy falling off his creature for no reason, a creature farting and shit, and the dialogue in so many of the scenes suck, especially with Anakin & Padme, that's half the PT story is their love but can anyone by that shit? writing wise it's no better or worse than the Han & Leia stuff but Fisher & Ford delivered it all with personality where as Hayden literally sounds like an android at times and more robotic than the flipping droids.
I believe him with the sequel franchise to ‘Return of the Jedi’ ‘cause Mark Hamill has said quite a bit about that like how Luke was going to get a love interest and go on to have a daughter and Leia was going to become a Jedi too and it was supposed to be filmed in the late 80s/ early 90s and they showed old footage of Mark talking about this back in 1988 or 1989 on Studio 10 but in a similar situation to ‘Ghostbusters 3’ with Bill Murray Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher wouldn’t come back for the movies which never made any sense to me considering how successful the ‘Star Wars’ films were and how many fans wanted sequels to them. It is possible there was a falling out between Carrie and Harrison with George Lucas like there was with Bill Murray and Harold Ramis in the 90s and that was why they turned down coming back until all these years later.
I am very interested in how the reaction from fans would have been if they had made the sequels to the original trilogy instead of the prequels with Mark, Harrison, Carrie and others all returning in the leading roles ‘cause a lot of people who criticise the new movies say that is what they wanted to see and dislike how they focused on Rey and Finn instead of Luke, Leia and Han but I have a feeling they will make those movies one day with new actors playing Luke, Han and Leia but what they come up with will be different than the sequel trilogy George Lucas was originally planning. I just read Disney have plans to reboot ‘Star Wars’ if Episode 9 flops and I am actually surprised they didn’t just remake ‘Star Wars’, ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ and ‘Return of the Jedi’ instead of making a sequel franchise.
Hollywood love their remakes and remaking those movies with new actors would be a lot cheaper to do than coming up with new movies and would have less risks ‘cause they are adapting a trilogy they already know people like but if they do that and they are well received it would give Disney a chance to make a sequel franchise to ‘Return of the Jedi’ keeping the new actors they have playing the roles of Luke, Leia and Han and they could even change some things and make it that Darth Vader lives at the end of ‘Return of the Jedi’ and Anakin becomes a hero again and helps his son to redeem himself for all the things he did while he was Darth Vader. I am not sure how they are going to continue with the franchise if Episode 9 is successful and they keep going with Episodes 10, 11 and 12 ‘cause both actors who play Rey and Finn have said Episode 9 will be their last unless the young boy we saw at the end of ‘The Last Jedi’ who I believe will become a Jedi is turned into the main star.
Yeah. George Lucas obviously didn’t have Luke or Leia planned as being siblings or he wouldn’t have had them kissing each other in the first two movies and I wouldn’t be surprised if Leia was originally meant end up with Luke Skywalker but as the ‘Star Wars’ movies went on George liked her with Han Solo so he decided to make them siblings to keep a connection between them ‘cause when you look back at things there was never any acknowledgement of Leia being Darth Vadar’s daughter and that was weird ‘cause he knew Luke was his son but didn’t know Leia was his sister. When Vadar had her hostage in the first movie he didn’t tell her he was her Father like he told Luke in ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ and the only thing you could really say was he let her live where he killed everybody else that got in his way and he did that ‘cause he knew Leia was his daughter.
I think there should have been more talk about Leia being Darth Vadar’s daughter too and you have to really wonder if Leia would have been as forgiving as Luke if she had been the one who went after her Father ‘cause he blew up Alderan and killed heaps of innocent people she cared for deeply and I don’t think she would have been as forgiving as Luke and probably would have wanted him dead.
But there is a big difference between I had 9-12 films all planned out from the start which he has claimed in the past which is what your initial statement seemed to fall into and him keeping an open mind to doing more after the OT once they became mega cash cows, also considering how Lucas did things I can imagine a ST was in mind only to push the toys more, I don't think it's a coincidence that those talks fell apart and we went 15 years between movies when in the interim the SW brand was still a major source of income with licensing, books, games, toys, and everything else.
I haven't heard anything about Disney rebooting SW, they don't need to thanks to the now Legends books the SW universe is deep with story to mine from other characters, which is what I think they will be doing after Ep 9, as what I have heard is Ep 9 is meant to be the end of the Skywalker Saga as it were, but they can go deep into the past with Knights of The Old Republic, we could get a Yoda series, they can make a Underworld series of crime films in the SW universe with the Hut's and all their ilk, we can get a series on the Mandalorians maybe the Mandalor/Jedi war, the rise and fall of the Sith, there is just so much to tell outside of this one family who It can make sense were the deciding factor in the universe's fate for almost a hundred years, 3 generations of the most powerful Jedi ever born but they burn bright and fade away quickly.
Nah if Disney remade the OT the fans would have rioted, some fans oppose the idea of redoing the prequels for some reason but atleast that makes sense, remake the worst part of a beloved franchise, you don't remake something people still love, especially when the hardcore fans are as mental as the SW hardcores are.
I agree about Leia should have had more focus as Vader's daughter, but I don't think the Vader not knowing in ANH is a flaw, he didn't know Luke was special in ANH either, it's only once Luke embraced the force Vader could sense him also it's intel, the hero who blew up the death stars name was going to get out there, Luke Skywalker, that's an easy way to figure something out if you are Vader & the emperor, Leia was an Organa that's not so obvious, Vader only learns of Leia through Luke also, and it would then be easy to assume who that is, Luke finds out he has a sister maybe the sister is the one female he seems to have a bond with, and who is the same age as him maybe?
But I would have liked if they had hinted at Leia's potential a few times, like she has a few spidey sense moments during the battle of endor, doesn't need to be huge but just hint at Leia being more than just human as it were.
As for Ridley & JB maybe not coming back for future SW films, well that depends, they can say what they want now but if Ridley's other outings do the same as JB's non SW projects neither will be in high demand for long, they may have to come back to SW unless they can establish themselves outside of it.
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