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Post by scabab on Aug 7, 2018 21:52:20 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Aug 7, 2018 23:51:50 GMT
Ah man, spoilers!
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 5:14:39 GMT
And more derail continues. Spiderman has a great world and great supporting characters. the more non spidey characters guest stars, the weaker the mcu spiderman movies will become compared to the oringal movies that stayed more self contained and used actual spidey characters.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 8, 2018 19:23:22 GMT
And more derail continues. Spiderman has a great world and great supporting characters. the more non spidey characters guest stars, the weaker the mcu spiderman movies will become compared to the oringal movies that stayed more self contained and used actual spidey characters. They were self-contained because the studio didn't have the rights to use other Marvel characters nor could they be allowed to do so without especial permissions. That was the deal with pretty much every Marvel based movie before Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008. And you do realize Spider-Man has crossed over with virtually every other Marvel character on more than a handful of occasions, right? One of his very first appearances was trying to audition for the Fantastic Four...Not only that but The Daily Bugle and JJJ pops up all the time in even non-Spidey stories. Some of the best storylines featuring the web crawler are when he's interacting with other characters, genius. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 19:43:42 GMT
And more derail continues. Spiderman has a great world and great supporting characters. the more non spidey characters guest stars, the weaker the mcu spiderman movies will become compared to the oringal movies that stayed more self contained and used actual spidey characters. They were self-contained because the studio didn't have the rights to use other Marvel characters nor could they be allowed to do so without especial permissions. That was the deal with pretty much every Marvel based movie before Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008. And you do realize Spider-Man has crossed over with virtually every other Marvel character on more than a handful of occasions, right? One of his very first appearances was trying to audition for the Fantastic Four...Not only that but The Daily Bugle and JJJ pops up all the time in even non-Spidey stories. Some of the best storylines featuring the web crawler are when he's interacting with other characters, genius. They did not need studio rights because it is not necessary to have non spidey characters in spiderman films. Sam Raimi would never have done that. check back from 2000-2004. how many people said X2 and Spiderman 2 should cross over? both movies minded their own business. the crossover superficial obsession started with MCU.
rank any top 10 best spiderman story arc, see how many non spidey characters played major roles? yes, spiderman has crossovers but he is mostly self contained and he works best when it is that way. oh and this is the reason mcu xmen will crash and burn. Fox got lots of criticism of not featuring many mutants, so when disney starts putting non xmen characters in mcu xmen for the sake of crossover, it will be a disaster.
comics are for the most part not about cross overs but individual stories of characters. ha, if only you MCU fans read comics and not just ate anything disney feeds you. you will not be so ignorant.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:49 GMT
They were self-contained because the studio didn't have the rights to use other Marvel characters nor could they be allowed to do so without especial permissions. That was the deal with pretty much every Marvel based movie before Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008. And you do realize Spider-Man has crossed over with virtually every other Marvel character on more than a handful of occasions, right? One of his very first appearances was trying to audition for the Fantastic Four...Not only that but The Daily Bugle and JJJ pops up all the time in even non-Spidey stories. Some of the best storylines featuring the web crawler are when he's interacting with other characters, genius. They did not need studio rights because it is not necessary to have non spidey characters in spiderman films. Sam Raimi would never have done that. check back from 2000-2004. how many people said X2 and Spiderman 2 should cross over? both movies minded their own business. the crossover superficial obsession started with MCU.
rank any top 10 best spiderman story arc, see how many non spidey characters played major roles? yes, spiderman has crossovers but he is mostly self contained and he works best when it is that way. oh and this is the reason mcu xmen will crash and burn. Fox got lots of criticism of not featuring many mutants, so when disney starts putting non xmen characters in mcu xmen for the sake of crossover, it will be a disaster.
comics are for the most part not about cross overs but individual stories of characters. ha, if only you MCU fans read comics and not just ate anything disney feeds you. you will not be so ignorant.
Have you ever actually picked up a comic book? Characters cross over all the time. The MCU is simply utilizing that aspect for their film franchise because prior to The Avengers, it hadn't really been done before. Fans seem to enjoy it and the logical thing to do when something works, is to keep doing it. Of course, I'm sure if Fox or Raimi had done it back in 2000-2004, you wouldn't have minded at all. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 8, 2018 20:37:13 GMT
They were self-contained because the studio didn't have the rights to use other Marvel characters nor could they be allowed to do so without especial permissions. That was the deal with pretty much every Marvel based movie before Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008. And you do realize Spider-Man has crossed over with virtually every other Marvel character on more than a handful of occasions, right? One of his very first appearances was trying to audition for the Fantastic Four...Not only that but The Daily Bugle and JJJ pops up all the time in even non-Spidey stories. Some of the best storylines featuring the web crawler are when he's interacting with other characters, genius. They did not need studio rights because it is not necessary to have non spidey characters in spiderman films. Sam Raimi would never have done that. check back from 2000-2004. how many people said X2 and Spiderman 2 should cross over? both movies minded their own business. the crossover superficial obsession started with MCU.
rank any top 10 best spiderman story arc, see how many non spidey characters played major roles? yes, spiderman has crossovers but he is mostly self contained and he works best when it is that way. oh and this is the reason mcu xmen will crash and burn. Fox got lots of criticism of not featuring many mutants, so when disney starts putting non xmen characters in mcu xmen for the sake of crossover, it will be a disaster.
comics are for the most part not about cross overs but individual stories of characters. ha, if only you MCU fans read comics and not just ate anything disney feeds you. you will not be so ignorant.
Actually yes that was the case, rights issues prevented other characters from crossing over with one another, had there been no such situation you'd most definitely had seen Spider-Man interact with DareDevil and The X-Men. Speaking of which, Hugh Jackman was originally going to appear in the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man and Sam Raimi was totally on board with the idea and was excited as all hell to direct a scene with Jackman's Wolverine but things got in the way and prevented it from happening. Raimi did however sneak in a Doctor Strange reference in Spider-Man 2 and a blink and you'll miss Punisher cameo (using the stunt man for Thomas Jane's film in his place). "Rank any top ten best" - So who is doing the ranking? Anybody can make up a top ten list of stories especially with a character who has been around for half a century. Um, no, Spider-Man is not mostly self-contained. He's very much in a world shared by various others, you clearly are not a Marvel comics fan with a statement like that and saying that "comics are for the most part not crossovers but individual stories of characters" really boggles the mind of just how many comics you actually read regularly or have read in your entire life. Do everybody a favor and share your collection - don't list, take a picture and show everybody. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 8, 2018 20:38:14 GMT
They did not need studio rights because it is not necessary to have non spidey characters in spiderman films. Sam Raimi would never have done that. check back from 2000-2004. how many people said X2 and Spiderman 2 should cross over? both movies minded their own business. the crossover superficial obsession started with MCU.
rank any top 10 best spiderman story arc, see how many non spidey characters played major roles? yes, spiderman has crossovers but he is mostly self contained and he works best when it is that way. oh and this is the reason mcu xmen will crash and burn. Fox got lots of criticism of not featuring many mutants, so when disney starts putting non xmen characters in mcu xmen for the sake of crossover, it will be a disaster.
comics are for the most part not about cross overs but individual stories of characters. ha, if only you MCU fans read comics and not just ate anything disney feeds you. you will not be so ignorant.
Have you ever actually picked up a comic book? Characters cross over all the time. The MCU is simply utilizing that aspect for their film franchise because prior to The Avengers, it hadn't really been done before. Fans seem to enjoy it and the logical thing to do when something works, is to keep doing it. Of course, I'm sure if Fox or Raimi had done it back in 2000-2004, you wouldn't have minded at all. I doubt he's ever read a comic before in his life given the way he talks here. Probably is either trolling or going by YouTube videos and Wikipedia pages... |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 20:56:13 GMT
They did not need studio rights because it is not necessary to have non spidey characters in spiderman films. Sam Raimi would never have done that. check back from 2000-2004. how many people said X2 and Spiderman 2 should cross over? both movies minded their own business. the crossover superficial obsession started with MCU.
rank any top 10 best spiderman story arc, see how many non spidey characters played major roles? yes, spiderman has crossovers but he is mostly self contained and he works best when it is that way. oh and this is the reason mcu xmen will crash and burn. Fox got lots of criticism of not featuring many mutants, so when disney starts putting non xmen characters in mcu xmen for the sake of crossover, it will be a disaster.
comics are for the most part not about cross overs but individual stories of characters. ha, if only you MCU fans read comics and not just ate anything disney feeds you. you will not be so ignorant.
Have you ever actually picked up a comic book? Characters cross over all the time. The MCU is simply utilizing that aspect for their film franchise because prior to The Avengers, it hadn't really been done before. Fans seem to enjoy it and the logical thing to do when something works, is to keep doing it. Of course, I'm sure if Fox or Raimi had done it back in 2000-2004, you wouldn't have minded at all. Spiderman is in his 700+ issues. majority of the issues are not crossovers. crossover only happened 20% of the time in the comic universe. they are not a daily thing. that is a comic lore fact.
one reason avengers movies are considered some of the worst movies by film makers, long time comic readers and screen writers is because the movies tend to have no stories or plot, it is just cross overs were characters can meet and blow up cities. Nothing of substance that we see in the daily lives of these comic characters in self contained spaces.
Asking if I read comics? do you?
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 21:00:03 GMT
Have you ever actually picked up a comic book? Characters cross over all the time. The MCU is simply utilizing that aspect for their film franchise because prior to The Avengers, it hadn't really been done before. Fans seem to enjoy it and the logical thing to do when something works, is to keep doing it. Of course, I'm sure if Fox or Raimi had done it back in 2000-2004, you wouldn't have minded at all. I doubt he's ever read a comic before in his life given the way he talks here. Probably is either trolling or going by YouTube videos and Wikipedia pages... How sad, since I am the only one talking of the actual comic stories. So How will MCU adapt messiah complex again, a comic I have read twice and will read again?
You mcu fans are funny with the attempt reverse phycological thing. thank goodness I am smart enough to live in the real world of facts and truth and not disney la la land that told you Ragnarök comics is a comedy and the entire marvel comic universe can be so easily disneyfied. anyone who read comics knows that is bullshit. sorry
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Post by bud47 on Aug 8, 2018 21:11:28 GMT
I doubt he's ever read a comic before in his life given the way he talks here. Probably is either trolling or going by YouTube videos and Wikipedia pages... How sad, since I am the only one talking of the actual comic stories. So How will MCU adapt messiah complex again, a comic I have read twice and will read again?
You mcu fans are funny with the attempt reverse phycological thing. thank goodness I am smart enough to live in the real world of facts and truth and not disney la la land that told you Ragnarök comics is a comedy and the entire marvel comic universe can be so easily disneyfied. anyone who read comics knows that is bullshit. sorry
You keep bringing up Messiah Complex. Why didn't Fox adapt this? They had the time and resources. Instead they decided to do the Dark Phoenix again, because they screwed up the first time, just like they did with Barakapool. I'm guessing if they had done Messiah Complex, they would have screwed it up the first time and then tried again, given their pattern for do-overs. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 21:39:08 GMT
How sad, since I am the only one talking of the actual comic stories. So How will MCU adapt messiah complex again, a comic I have read twice and will read again?
You mcu fans are funny with the attempt reverse phycological thing. thank goodness I am smart enough to live in the real world of facts and truth and not disney la la land that told you Ragnarök comics is a comedy and the entire marvel comic universe can be so easily disneyfied. anyone who read comics knows that is bullshit. sorry
You keep bringing up Messiah Complex. Why didn't Fox adapt this? They had the time and resources. Instead they decided to do the Dark Phoenix again, because they screwed up the first time, just like they did with Barakapool. I'm guessing if they had done Messiah Complex, they would have screwed it up the first time and then tried again, given their pattern for do-overs. Messiah complex can be adapted by anyone who is not disney since only disney makes children their first priority...which means dumb down comedy movies. I have an idea, there could be new fox were all fox properties will remain as it is, so fox as flawed as they are can keep on making xmen movies. as a true xmen fan as you claim and if you think your mcu movies are better, tell disney to keep xmen away from the mcu. if mcu is the best then you should not worry about xmen movies. it is that simple.
fox adapted, God love man kills, First Class, deadpool, DOFP and the death of wolverine/old man logan. adapting messiah complex would not have been a problem. they may screw it but it will not be dumbed down disney comedy SCREW UP, which is the most offensive screw up. Believe me I know from Ultron, Hulk, The Mandarian, Ragnarok, Zemo, Maliketh, That Mickey Rouke from Iron Man 2 character and more.
You talk of screw ups, notice MCU disney has worse? so bad, your own actors like Ed Norton tells the world mcu is retarded. check it out here
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Post by scabab on Aug 8, 2018 21:41:16 GMT
Not really relevant to the topic. Keep that to wherever is appropriate.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 8, 2018 21:59:50 GMT
Spoilers for what? You forget that Spider-man is also in this movie. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 22:06:19 GMT
Spoilers for what? You forget that Spider-man is also in this movie. Words of wisdom advice since you got busted like formershamd.
imdb 2.0 is a small community. you don't need multiple accounts to defend rotten garbage mcu movies. you make mcu look worse. drop the bud47 act.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 8, 2018 22:11:46 GMT
Spoilers for what? You forget that Spider-man is also in this movie. Words of wisdom advice since you got busted like formershamd.
imdb 2.0 is a small community. you don't need multiple accounts to defend rotten garbage mcu movies. you make mcu look worse. drop the bud47 act.
Not me. I don't do multiple accounts. It's a waste of energy trying to switch back and forth.
But reading his post about characters crossing over, I do agree with it.
Another thing: Are you just looking for people to argue X-men vs the MCU with?
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 8, 2018 22:17:27 GMT
Not really relevant to the topic. Keep that to wherever is appropriate. Why does he keep turning every thread into X-men vs the MCU? If I made a thread about oil filters, would that turn into something about how Disney will screw up X-men? |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 8, 2018 22:34:21 GMT
I doubt he's ever read a comic before in his life given the way he talks here. Probably is either trolling or going by YouTube videos and Wikipedia pages... How sad, since I am the only one talking of the actual comic stories. So How will MCU adapt messiah complex again, a comic I have read twice and will read again?
You mcu fans are funny with the attempt reverse phycological thing. thank goodness I am smart enough to live in the real world of facts and truth and not disney la la land that told you Ragnarök comics is a comedy and the entire marvel comic universe can be so easily disneyfied. anyone who read comics knows that is bullshit. sorry
So basically yes you do get all your knowledge from YouTube and Wikipedia pages, or are trolling. Has to be one or the other because your whole "Oh! I'm so much smarter than all of you! I know everything there is to know about said characters and how much of a failure the MCU are at adapting them! I can walk circles around you all!" is getting tiresome and the more you write in such a fashion the more and more credibility you lose. . So please, show us how much of a "TRUE" fan you are - post photos of your large comic collection, if you are as knowledgeable as you claim then you must have a library worth of merchandise. If you can't post a pic then you have no weight to your arguments - because as said before, ANYBODY can find information online and use it like they are a fan in a discussion. Anybody. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 8, 2018 22:41:22 GMT
You keep bringing up Messiah Complex. Why didn't Fox adapt this? They had the time and resources. Instead they decided to do the Dark Phoenix again, because they screwed up the first time, just like they did with Barakapool. I'm guessing if they had done Messiah Complex, they would have screwed it up the first time and then tried again, given their pattern for do-overs. Messiah complex can be adapted by anyone who is not disney since only disney makes children their first priority...which means dumb down comedy movies. I have an idea, there could be new fox were all fox properties will remain as it is, so fox as flawed as they are can keep on making xmen movies. as a true xmen fan as you claim and if you think your mcu movies are better, tell disney to keep xmen away from the mcu. if mcu is the best then you should not worry about xmen movies. it is that simple.
fox adapted, God love man kills, First Class, deadpool, DOFP and the death of wolverine/old man logan. adapting messiah complex would not have been a problem. they may screw it but it will not be dumbed down disney comedy SCREW UP, which is the most offensive screw up. Believe me I know from Ultron, Hulk, The Mandarian, Ragnarok, Zemo, Maliketh, That Mickey Rouke from Iron Man 2 character and more.
You talk of screw ups, notice MCU disney has worse? so bad, your own actors like Ed Norton tells the world mcu is retarded. check it out here
You didn't answer the guy's question - why didn't Fox adapt Messiah Complex into a movie already? If they are as artistically brilliant and visceral as you claim them to be then why after nearly 20 years they never even made an attempt? Barakapool is the worst thing to have ever happened to Deadpool, in fact the whole X-Men Origins: Wolverine movie is the worst thing to have happened to any and all characters used in it. It was such a disappointment they had to start over and ignore its existence, only Deadpool makes references in a comedic way. XMO:W is the Batman & Robin of this generation pretty much. Edward Norton's words mean nothing, neither do Mickey Rourke's. Norton's ego got the better of him and he didn't behave like a team player when he didn't get his way, he thought he knew better than the producers who wanted to make something fans would appreciate and not niche art school dropouts who sip tea almost every hour and wear black on sunny days. Rourke was on top of the world and he blew it by being unprofessional, he hasn't made a movie that has been better than Iron Man 2 since Iron Man 2. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 8, 2018 22:42:10 GMT
Not really relevant to the topic. Keep that to wherever is appropriate. Why does he keep turning every thread into X-men vs the MCU? If I made a thread about oil filters, would that turn into something about how Disney will screw up X-men? summers8 is losing it, or trolling, either way they're pretty sad. |
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