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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 8, 2018 14:11:50 GMT
Just wondering…
And this one's cute, by the way:
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 8, 2018 14:33:13 GMT
I would very much like that to happen and hope that happens. But I do not see a great realistic chance of that happening. However there may be some chance so we can't dismiss the idea.
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Post by Seto on Aug 8, 2018 17:02:11 GMT
There is zero chance of this happening in the show as D&D are clearly the biggest Jon and Dany shippers in the world. I doubt Sansa and Jon being together has even crossed their minds.
About the Sansa Ashford Tourney theory, it kinda gets thrown out the window when you remember Sansa was briefly betrothed to Robert Arryn while Lysa was alive, and there aint no Arryn at Ashford. Also in the books Jon and Sansa are so far away from each other, them even ever seeing each other again is kind of a stretch.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 8, 2018 17:20:53 GMT
The book theory appears to be about Aegon, real or not, rather than Jon.
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Post by Seto on Aug 8, 2018 17:48:34 GMT
The book theory appears to be about Aegon, real or not, rather than Jon. Yes, that is far more likely. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 8, 2018 19:40:38 GMT
Just wondering… And this one's cute, by the way: OMG Leo you absolutely made my day with this this is by far best post thank YOU and to answer your question if Sansa and Jon make it to the end and are ALIVE YES they WILL MARRY the hints of this happening are everywhere , books and show , Sansa and jons lifes and what they wanted are very similar - they both wanted to leave home go to places they thought would make them happy ,only to find out things are not what they seem even in their dreams , they dream of having families of their own one day and naming their children after their dead family members , and many more stuff I can go on jonsa haters ignore all this because like D&D are stupid fanboys of Dany and Jon and a Targaryen restoration with little deformed dragon babies flying all over westeros JON loves Sansa not Dany .this will come out next season Dany will realize this and she will be jealous of Sansa some friends of mine think Dany may even go as far to try and poison or kill Sansa . This is where cersei comes in when cersei finds out Jon is a Targaryen she will suggest or demand of Jon he marries a stark Sansa , so they can both stay and rule in winterfell , away from kings landing cersei knows Jon has no ineterst ruling westeros unlike Dany who is more of a threat and I think Jon may just take her up on that offer  And Dany will lose it when she finds out and if it meant to end in a dramatic way there will be an all out war between them.Danys prophecies clearly states three Treasons she will know one of them Is betrayal for love , Jon will betray her for LOVE for his LOVE for Sansa. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 8, 2018 19:48:25 GMT
There is zero chance of this happening in the show as D&D are clearly the biggest Jon and Dany shippers in the world. I doubt Sansa and Jon being together has even crossed their minds. About the Sansa Ashford Tourney theory, it kinda gets thrown out the window when you remember Sansa was briefly betrothed to Robert Arryn while Lysa was alive, and there aint no Arryn at Ashford. Also in the books Jon and Sansa are so far away from each other, them even ever seeing each other again is kind of a stretch. I do agree with you D&D are the biggest fanboys of Dany and Jon but I disagree with you that Jon and Sansa together didn't cross their minds ,then why go in so much trouble and shoot so many scenes that come across full of tension passionate and angst? The chemistry is off the walls , then why zoom in any scene that involves arm grabbing or hand touching ? And they did shoot similar scenes with Dany and Jon and we all know where they ended up IN BED having sex , I'm sorry but the way Jon and Sansa act around each other is anything but sibling way jon around Sansa behaves like a boyfriend not a brother. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 9, 2018 4:15:31 GMT
D&D are stupid fanboys of Dany and Jon and a Targaryen restoration with little deformed dragon babies flying all over westeros They're not. This the usual Game of Misdirections: remember Ned sitting the Iron Throne? Notgonnahappen. Robb Stark the actual hero? Notgonnahappen. Stannis the Rightful King? Notgonnahappen. Renly the perfect compromise? Notgonnahappen. So, Targaryen restoration, you say? Guess again. None of these announced, expected, desired outcomes were ever going to happen, This was designed by a belated teenager in love with baseball, zombie stories, gore and filth. His main value is to go against the flow, to "subvert" tropes and he is a prankster who likes nothing more than a plot twist to the point where anything reasonably predictable has become predictably unlikely. If he thinks you will expect a development, he's going to write something else. The idea of Cersei tolerating Jon in exchange for an alliance against Daenerys is perfectly logical. This is the Lannister way. And the idea of Jon being opposed to more slaughter in King's Landing would be in line with the character. Sansa taking Cersei's side was announced too, both by her words ("I learned a lot from her") and her hair style. None of this makes a marriage of Jon and Sansa a logical thing, especially since she is still legally bound to Tyrion and Cersei asking for that union to continue would be the most Tywin-like thing for her to do. I don't know the ending but it won't be a Targaryen restoration. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 9, 2018 4:24:39 GMT
D&D are stupid fanboys of Dany and Jon and a Targaryen restoration with little deformed dragon babies flying all over westeros They're not. This the usual Game of Misdirections: remember Ned sitting the Iron Throne? Notgonnahappen. Robb Stark the actual hero? Notgonnahappen. Stannis the Rightful King? Notgonnahappen. Renly the perfect compromise? Notgonnahappen. So, Targaryen restoration, you say? Guess again. None of these announced, expected, desired outcomes were ever going to happen, This was designed by a belated teenager in love with baseball, zombie stories, gore and filth. His main value is to go against the flow, to "subvert" tropes and he is a prankster who likes nothing more than a plot twist to the point where anything reasonably predictable has become predictably unlikely. If he thinks you will expect a development, he's going to write something else. The idea of Cersei tolerating Jon in exchange for an alliance against Daenerys is perfectly logical. This is the Lannister way. And the idea of Jon being opposed to more slaughter in King's Landing would be in line with the character. Sansa taking Cersei's side was announced too, both by her words ("I learned a lot from her") and her hair style. None of this makes a marriage of Jon and Sansa a logical thing, especially since she is still legally bound to Tyrion and Cersei asking for that union to continue would be the most Tywin-like thing for her to do. I don't know the ending but it won't be a Targaryen restoration. Enough waiting. They should just bring it on. |
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Post by Seto on Aug 9, 2018 6:31:11 GMT
They're not. This the usual Game of Misdirections: remember Ned sitting the Iron Throne? Notgonnahappen. Robb Stark the actual hero? Notgonnahappen. Stannis the Rightful King? Notgonnahappen. Renly the perfect compromise? Notgonnahappen. So, Targaryen restoration, you say? Guess again. None of these announced, expected, desired outcomes were ever going to happen, This was designed by a belated teenager in love with baseball, zombie stories, gore and filth. His main value is to go against the flow, to "subvert" tropes and he is a prankster who likes nothing more than a plot twist to the point where anything reasonably predictable has become predictably unlikely. If he thinks you will expect a development, he's going to write something else. The idea of Cersei tolerating Jon in exchange for an alliance against Daenerys is perfectly logical. This is the Lannister way. And the idea of Jon being opposed to more slaughter in King's Landing would be in line with the character. Sansa taking Cersei's side was announced too, both by her words ("I learned a lot from her") and her hair style. None of this makes a marriage of Jon and Sansa a logical thing, especially since she is still legally bound to Tyrion and Cersei asking for that union to continue would be the most Tywin-like thing for her to do. I don't know the ending but it won't be a Targaryen restoration. If your talking about George RR Martin, he has absolutely nothing to do with the current direction of the show. On a side note, I don't know why you continue to make up lies about him, it sounds to me like your a little insecure and perhaps jealous of his success. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 9, 2018 6:49:49 GMT
They're not. This the usual Game of Misdirections: remember Ned sitting the Iron Throne? Notgonnahappen. Robb Stark the actual hero? Notgonnahappen. Stannis the Rightful King? Notgonnahappen. Renly the perfect compromise? Notgonnahappen. So, Targaryen restoration, you say? Guess again. None of these announced, expected, desired outcomes were ever going to happen, This was designed by a belated teenager in love with baseball, zombie stories, gore and filth. His main value is to go against the flow, to "subvert" tropes and he is a prankster who likes nothing more than a plot twist to the point where anything reasonably predictable has become predictably unlikely. If he thinks you will expect a development, he's going to write something else. The idea of Cersei tolerating Jon in exchange for an alliance against Daenerys is perfectly logical. This is the Lannister way. And the idea of Jon being opposed to more slaughter in King's Landing would be in line with the character. Sansa taking Cersei's side was announced too, both by her words ("I learned a lot from her") and her hair style. None of this makes a marriage of Jon and Sansa a logical thing, especially since she is still legally bound to Tyrion and Cersei asking for that union to continue would be the most Tywin-like thing for her to do. I don't know the ending but it won't be a Targaryen restoration. If your talking about George RR Martin, he has absolutely nothing to do with the current direction of the show. On a side note, I don't know why you continue to make up lies about him, it sounds to me like your a little insecure and perhaps jealous of his success. The show makers have said they will converge to end the same way as the books so GRRM does have everything to do with it. Insecure and jealous of a stinking leftard? You now sound like an idiot to me. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 9, 2018 6:57:54 GMT
If your talking about George RR Martin, he has absolutely nothing to do with the current direction of the show. On a side note, I don't know why you continue to make up lies about him, it sounds to me like your a little insecure and perhaps jealous of his success. Well, Leo believes that GRRM has not given enough thought and done justice to Cersei Character. He is a Cersei fan and believes the show runners have done a much better work with her. He finds show Cersei much better than the GRRM Cersei. So there may lie some clue. |
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Post by Seto on Aug 9, 2018 7:22:38 GMT
There is zero chance of this happening in the show as D&D are clearly the biggest Jon and Dany shippers in the world. I doubt Sansa and Jon being together has even crossed their minds. About the Sansa Ashford Tourney theory, it kinda gets thrown out the window when you remember Sansa was briefly betrothed to Robert Arryn while Lysa was alive, and there aint no Arryn at Ashford. Also in the books Jon and Sansa are so far away from each other, them even ever seeing each other again is kind of a stretch. I do agree with you D&D are the biggest fanboys of Dany and Jon but I disagree with you that Jon and Sansa together didn't cross their minds ,then why go in so much trouble and shoot so many scenes that come across full of tension passionate and angst? The chemistry is off the walls , then why zoom in any scene that involves arm grabbing or hand touching ? And they did shoot similar scenes with Dany and Jon and we all know where they ended up IN BED having sex , I'm sorry but the way Jon and Sansa act around each other is anything but sibling way jon around Sansa behaves like a boyfriend not a brother. You want my honest answer? Your reading into something that simply isn't there, because you want it too much. There is absolutely no romantic or sexual tension between Jon and Sansa. D&D are trying to create sibling tension, because they want to trick the audience into thinking the Stark children will betray each other. With season 7 they begin doing this with Jon and Sansa, then when Jon leaves they simply transfer the storyline over to Sansa and Arya. Sorry. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 9, 2018 7:25:52 GMT
Well, Leo believes that GRRM has not given enough thought and done justice to Cersei Character. He is a Cersei fan and believes the show runners have done a much better work with her. He finds show Cersei much better than the GRRM Cersei. So there may lie some clue. I wouldn't put it quite this way. Book-Cersei is a different character and quite a caricature at that but this is how GRRM writes. He also had Varys cut the tongues of his "little birds" for added effect or gave Ramsay some ridiculous stink fetish. The man has the maturity of a 15 year-old and I'm being generous. Read his depiction of Daenerys' thoughts when she is watching naked dancers in Meereen. Cringe… The show version of Cersei is both refined and more realistic, not so much childish drivel about a "bad woman". |
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Post by Seto on Aug 9, 2018 7:43:38 GMT
The show makers have said they will converge to end the same way as the books so GRRM does have everything to do with it. Insecure and jealous of a stinking leftard? You now sound like an idiot to me. If your talking about the interview at Oxford Union Benioff gave, that was way back in 2015 before season 6 was even written. Also Benioff is notorious for spinning the truth, I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt. I mean all you have to do is watch the show and read the books and you'd realise there is no possible way they're heading to the same place. And you can call me an idiot all you like, it just further proves your nothing but an insecure, childish troll. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 9, 2018 16:43:21 GMT
I do agree with you D&D are the biggest fanboys of Dany and Jon but I disagree with you that Jon and Sansa together didn't cross their minds ,then why go in so much trouble and shoot so many scenes that come across full of tension passionate and angst? The chemistry is off the walls , then why zoom in any scene that involves arm grabbing or hand touching ? And they did shoot similar scenes with Dany and Jon and we all know where they ended up IN BED having sex , I'm sorry but the way Jon and Sansa act around each other is anything but sibling way jon around Sansa behaves like a boyfriend not a brother. You want my honest answer? Your reading into something that simply isn't there, because you want it too much. There is absolutely no romantic or sexual tension between Jon and Sansa. D&D are trying to create sibling tension, because they want to trick the audience into thinking the Stark children will betray each other. With season 7 they begin doing this with Jon and Sansa, then when Jon leaves they simply transfer the storyline over to Sansa and Arya. Sorry. you are entitled to your opinion as i am to mine but personally i wouldn't even suggest something like a union between sansa and jon if the signs were not there and its not because i want it , its what they are showing to us and its also the hints in the book, die hard GOT book fans who are not fan girls of jon or fanboys of sansa figured this out when GRMM released his last book by 2014 the jonsa speculation was taking off in a big way now a lot of fans make fun of it because its has attracted a lot of younger fans to "ship" couples but it makes sense and i think GRMM is really pissed off some jonsa fans have figured his plot out not long ago he said something about it, sansa and aryas relationship or tension was nothing like jon and sansa nothing at all as far as jon still knows he thinks the stark children are his half siblings when he finds out they are his cousins instead-that sansa is HIS COUSIN it will change a lot of things. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 9, 2018 16:49:58 GMT
D&D are stupid fanboys of Dany and Jon and a Targaryen restoration with little deformed dragon babies flying all over westeros They're not. This the usual Game of Misdirections: remember Ned sitting the Iron Throne? Notgonnahappen. Robb Stark the actual hero? Notgonnahappen. Stannis the Rightful King? Notgonnahappen. Renly the perfect compromise? Notgonnahappen. So, Targaryen restoration, you say? Guess again. None of these announced, expected, desired outcomes were ever going to happen, This was designed by a belated teenager in love with baseball, zombie stories, gore and filth. His main value is to go against the flow, to "subvert" tropes and he is a prankster who likes nothing more than a plot twist to the point where anything reasonably predictable has become predictably unlikely. If he thinks you will expect a development, he's going to write something else. The idea of Cersei tolerating Jon in exchange for an alliance against Daenerys is perfectly logical. This is the Lannister way. And the idea of Jon being opposed to more slaughter in King's Landing would be in line with the character. Sansa taking Cersei's side was announced too, both by her words ("I learned a lot from her") and her hair style. None of this makes a marriage of Jon and Sansa a logical thing, especially since she is still legally bound to Tyrion and Cersei asking for that union to continue would be the most Tywin-like thing for her to do. I don't know the ending but it won't be a Targaryen restoration. i think the tyrion /sasnsa ship sailed a very long time ago , i dont know all the westeros marriage laws but her marriage to tyrion is not existing anymore because she married ramsey afterwards she is the widow os ramsey bolton. Last season they brought the sansa/tyrion marriage up it was really interesting especially the conversation tyrion and jon had about their marriage and if it was consummated or not which jon snapped back I didnt ask. I mean c' mon they have literally had jon have scenes with sansas all ex's or men who were interested in her romantically. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 9, 2018 17:23:31 GMT
i think the tyrion /sasnsa ship sailed a very long time ago , i dont know all the westeros marriage laws but her marriage to tyrion is not existing anymore because she married ramsey afterwards she is the widow os ramsey bolton. Last season they brought the sansa/tyrion marriage up it was really interesting especially the conversation tyrion and jon had about their marriage and if it was consummated or not which jon snapped back I didnt ask. I mean c' mon they have literally had jon have scenes with sansas all ex's or men who were interested in her romantically. Littlefinger in S5E03: "Tyrion never consummated the marriage. By the law of the land, she is no man's wife." Sansa's marriage to Tyrion could have been contested for non consummation but they both can call the marriage to Ramsay illegal and no one would be able to contradict them. If the political situation calls for a revival of that union, it is just a matter of them claiming so. What you are now saying is that Jon might not be pleased, but what about Sansa's opinion on this? Doesn't she see him as her brother? S6E10: Jon: "I'm not a Stark" Sansa: "You are to me" |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 11, 2018 19:34:47 GMT
i think the tyrion /sasnsa ship sailed a very long time ago , i dont know all the westeros marriage laws but her marriage to tyrion is not existing anymore because she married ramsey afterwards she is the widow os ramsey bolton. Last season they brought the sansa/tyrion marriage up it was really interesting especially the conversation tyrion and jon had about their marriage and if it was consummated or not which jon snapped back I didnt ask. I mean c' mon they have literally had jon have scenes with sansas all ex's or men who were interested in her romantically. Littlefinger in S5E03: "Tyrion never consummated the marriage. By the law of the land, she is no man's wife." Sansa's marriage to Tyrion could have been contested for non consummation but they both can call the marriage to Ramsay illegal and no one would be able to contradict them. If the political situation calls for a revival of that union, it is just a matter of them claiming so. What you are now saying is that Jon might not be pleased, but what about Sansa's opinion on this? Doesn't she see him as her brother? S6E10: Jon: "I'm not a Stark" Sansa: "You are to me" the thing with sansa and jon is they have a very complex relationship yes i do believe she cares for him and loves him and if its something more like an attraction i dont think she even allows herself to go there knowing what they are to each other but all that will change IMO when they find out they are cousins they never shared a close sibling relationship they never had one , sansa took her mothers side and pretty much treated jon like an outcast thats why first thing she did when they reunited she apologized to him they were never close siblings never shared the same sibling bond that jon and arya have , and i think that was done on purpose on writers part , its very odd to me jon literally had a scene with all the starks in season 1 except sansa , he said goodbye to all of them when he left for the nightswatch except her even if they were not close they are still siblings , catelyn hated him and they had many scenes even if it was exchanging looks , he never really liked theon but yet they shared scenes , except sansa and i think GRMM did that on purpose knowing what he was planning in the end , would be easier for fans to accept a jon/sansa union years later and not seem that icky to the diehard stark fans ,if they were not close siblings - ned starks parents were cousins too. Yes i do think sansa feels an attraction for jon but she wont reveal it for reasons i mentioned above and i think LF sensed at least from jons side there is something going on when jon almost choked him at the crypts 'not to touch his sister' i remember when LF came out of the crypts he looked surprised shocked and looked up at the balcony were sansa was waving goodbye to jon . Sansa in many ways has showed she cares deeply for jon and tried to protect him she never liked when jon offered ramsey a one on one battle she didnt like when jon went off to the dragon queen , her words were 'you are abandoning your home ' and she didnt like when LF brought up a possible marriage between the beautiful dragon queen and jon why would LF even bring that up? and if you watch the video its almost like he is trying to get a reaction from sansa egg her on or get her jealous , sansa looked annoyed so im guessing the meeting between sansa/dany wont be a cheerful one..LOL and when jon finds out that he and sansa are not actual siblings he will be pissed at himself for what he did with the dragon queen. however i do not doubt your theory with tyrion, it may happen like that and i can only see it happening if jon is dead , or if jon has no choice but to marry the dragon queen especially if this baby dragon theory is correct and even then i think it may still feel weird for sansa , tyrion always treated her right but the women tyrion chooses to be with types he is into they are nothing like sansa at all and he did say his dream is to own his own vineyard to drink and invite all his friends to be with him and i can vision an ending like that for tyrion if he makes it If sansa gets kidnapped by lannisters once again and from the looks of it lannisters do attack winter-fell they take sansa to cersei and cersei will use her for leverage against jon and tyrion to strike up a deal to end the war against her , we know from leaked pictures jon meets with cersei whatever they discuss ,jon will end up betraying dany for sansa ,could be that is tyrion that betrays her not for sansa but for his family , cersei is pregnant and future lannisters are on the way no matter how he feels about cersei he always loved his nieces and nephews. so to answer your question about sansa and how she sees jon i think she cares loves him but show so far has kept us in the dark about sansas feelings except some hints , and i think its done on purpose because they will surprise us well not me but rest ..lol everyone is waiting for this grand wedding between jon and dany jonerys fans say she is meant to be the bride of fire. |
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