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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 6, 2018 5:16:03 GMT
The story,characters and tone make it perfect 10. This is something mcu fans should love How are they a perfect 10? It's the least well-received MCU anything after the Inhumans, also showrunned by Scott Buck, for good reason, it's only just a bit better than, say, most of DC's output on THE CW but at least they recognized they're supposed to be campy whereas Iron Fist didn't know what to do with its tone. I can take it seriously. The thing i Dislike about this fandom you guys can't decide what you want
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 6, 2018 5:18:24 GMT
No, because being labeled "sexist" or "misogynistic" isn't as bad a stigma as being labeled "racist" or "pedophile". Just look at the 2008 and 2016 Presidential elections. People who didn't vote for Obama were called "racist". People who didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "sexist" or "misogynistic". That's why Trump can talk about "grabbing pussy" and still win the election. There's nothing as bad as being labeled a "racist" or "pedophile". Those are automatic career-killers. Just ask James Gunn. A sexist and misogynist person is still a bad person. The idea of hating women because they're women. WTF are wrong with those people? It's not about whether or not a sexist and misogynist person is a bad person. It's about whether it's career-suicide. Well, Trump talked about "grabbing pussy" and he still won the election. Clarence Thomas told a female co-worker he had a large penis, and in the end he still got confirmed for the Supreme Court. So it's not career-suicide. By contrast, there are no bigger stigmas that being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile". Donald Sterling was forced out as owner of the LA Clippers for making racist comments. James Gunn was fired for making hundreds of pedophile tweets. Being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile" (like James Gunn) is career-suicide. That's why critics wouldn't be afraid to give Wonder Woman negative reviews (since it wouldn't kill their career to do so), but critics were afraid to give Black Panther negative reviews because they would've been labeled "racist" and that's career suicide.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 6, 2018 6:26:17 GMT
How are they a perfect 10? It's the least well-received MCU anything after the Inhumans, also showrunned by Scott Buck, for good reason, it's only just a bit better than, say, most of DC's output on THE CW but at least they recognized they're supposed to be campy whereas Iron Fist didn't know what to do with its tone. I can take it seriously. The thing i Dislike about this fandom you guys can't decide what you want That's good (however that doesn't necessarily make your argument that its top tier quality work as its still shy on detail), however that doesn't change that a lot of people( and this includes people who are not typically MCU fans keep in mind) felt it was cheaply made with inefficient attempts at drama, character, and tension and was tonally inconsistent - Some moments seem designed to be serious, other times campy but the balance isn't there the other Defender shows had a much better understanding of what they wanted to and did it. The whole first season of Iron Fist was mismanaged and not given enough thought or proper budget - in the whole 13 episodes we barely saw Kun Lun to even feel like it was an actual place or even get an impression of size and scope. The Hand were also not handled very well, either, and in both Iron Fist and The Defenders essentially came off as a low rent version of HYDRA, in Daredevil we got a feel of how awesome and fantastic they were but the payoff didn't really deliver. Season 2 looks to make some improvements( shorter episode order, new showrunners, a better villain) so its a step in the right direction, hopefully the third season presents the best version of the character possible. P.S. You can totally tell Finn Jones was channeling RDJ's Tony Stark as Danny when he appeared on Luke Cage, just saying.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 6, 2018 6:34:29 GMT
A sexist and misogynist person is still a bad person. The idea of hating women because they're women. WTF are wrong with those people? It's not about whether or not a sexist and misogynist person is a bad person. It's about whether it's career-suicide. Well, Trump talked about "grabbing pussy" and he still won the election. Clarence Thomas told a female co-worker he had a large penis, and in the end he still got confirmed for the Supreme Court. So it's not career-suicide. By contrast, there are no bigger stigmas that being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile". Donald Sterling was forced out as owner of the LA Clippers for making racist comments. James Gunn was fired for making hundreds of pedophile tweets. Being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile" (like James Gunn) is career-suicide. That's why critics wouldn't be afraid to give Wonder Woman negative reviews (since it wouldn't kill their career to do so), but critics were afraid to give Black Panther negative reviews because they would've been labeled "racist" and that's career suicide. Then explain why Ghostbusters 2016 got so many great reviews from people who were couldn't help but mention how "progressive" it was and how wrong and awful fans of the franchise were for not showing support of it? You even had Richard Roeper state in a podcast that there was a feeling of needing to give it praise or else it would make their publishers or themselves look bad in the process. Apparently a lot of people do feel it would be career suicide to say something that could be viewed as either sexist or misogynist by others and that their careers could be destroyed in a matter of minutes.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 6, 2018 15:12:43 GMT
It's not about whether or not a sexist and misogynist person is a bad person. It's about whether it's career-suicide. Well, Trump talked about "grabbing pussy" and he still won the election. Clarence Thomas told a female co-worker he had a large penis, and in the end he still got confirmed for the Supreme Court. So it's not career-suicide. By contrast, there are no bigger stigmas that being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile". Donald Sterling was forced out as owner of the LA Clippers for making racist comments. James Gunn was fired for making hundreds of pedophile tweets. Being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile" (like James Gunn) is career-suicide. That's why critics wouldn't be afraid to give Wonder Woman negative reviews (since it wouldn't kill their career to do so), but critics were afraid to give Black Panther negative reviews because they would've been labeled "racist" and that's career suicide. Then explain why Ghostbusters 2016 got so many great reviews from people who were couldn't help but mention how "progressive" it was and how wrong and awful fans of the franchise were for not showing support of it? You even had Richard Roeper state in a podcast that there was a feeling of needing to give it praise or else it would make their publishers or themselves look bad in the process. Apparently a lot of people do feel it would be career suicide to say something that could be viewed as either sexist or misogynist by others and that their careers could be destroyed in a matter of minutes. ‘Ghostbusters: Answer the Call’ seems to be the only film in which critics were genuinely afraid of reviewing it negatively because of the studio creating a hostile environment for negative reviews to exist.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 6, 2018 16:54:08 GMT
It's not about whether or not a sexist and misogynist person is a bad person. It's about whether it's career-suicide. Well, Trump talked about "grabbing pussy" and he still won the election. Clarence Thomas told a female co-worker he had a large penis, and in the end he still got confirmed for the Supreme Court. So it's not career-suicide. By contrast, there are no bigger stigmas that being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile". Donald Sterling was forced out as owner of the LA Clippers for making racist comments. James Gunn was fired for making hundreds of pedophile tweets. Being labeled a "racist" or a "pedophile" (like James Gunn) is career-suicide. That's why critics wouldn't be afraid to give Wonder Woman negative reviews (since it wouldn't kill their career to do so), but critics were afraid to give Black Panther negative reviews because they would've been labeled "racist" and that's career suicide. Then explain why Ghostbusters 2016 got so many great reviews from people who were couldn't help but mention how "progressive" it was and how wrong and awful fans of the franchise were for not showing support of it? You even had Richard Roeper state in a podcast that there was a feeling of needing to give it praise or else it would make their publishers or themselves look bad in the process. Apparently a lot of people do feel it would be career suicide to say something that could be viewed as either sexist or misogynist by others and that their careers could be destroyed in a matter of minutes. To continue, I’ve never disagreed with critics this much before or after. It honestly feels like a film that belongs in a low-40s range. Yeah, it’s true that I actually liked poorly-reviewed films before (in many occasions, as a matter of fact), but at least I could see why critics would not like them. This is the first and only time in which I cannot see how this film got this much positive reviews. Not even ‘The Last Jedi’ was on this level, for crying out loud!
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 6, 2018 17:46:43 GMT
One thing i would Change is typhoid Mary. Kat is better suited for the role. Alice eve should be clea or sue storm but oh well still looks awesome
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Post by darkpast on Sept 7, 2018 2:42:15 GMT
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 7, 2018 4:37:11 GMT
Saying that is as easy as saying critics gave Wonder Woman good reviews because they’re afraid of being labeled as “misogynistic” if they give Wonder Woman an honest and accurate review. No, because being labeled "sexist" or "misogynistic" isn't as bad a stigma as being labeled "racist" or "pedophile". Just look at the 2008 and 2016 Presidential elections. People who didn't vote for Obama were called "racist". People who didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "sexist" or "misogynistic". That's why Trump can talk about "grabbing pussy" and still win the election. There's nothing as bad as being labeled a "racist" or "pedophile". Those are automatic career-killers. Just ask James Gunn. You poor naive fool. In this day and age, especially with the #MeToo movement, being a sexist, even if it's not career suicide, it is up there with ruining reputation alone. Critics went just as easy on Wonder Woman as Black Panther because of it. Black Panther and Wonder Woman are both victims of their own cultural relevance and importance.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 7, 2018 4:48:34 GMT
No, because being labeled "sexist" or "misogynistic" isn't as bad a stigma as being labeled "racist" or "pedophile". Just look at the 2008 and 2016 Presidential elections. People who didn't vote for Obama were called "racist". People who didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "sexist" or "misogynistic". That's why Trump can talk about "grabbing pussy" and still win the election. There's nothing as bad as being labeled a "racist" or "pedophile". Those are automatic career-killers. Just ask James Gunn. You poor naive fool. In this day and age, especially with the #MeToo movement, being a sexist, even if it's not career suicide, it is up there with ruining reputation alone. Critics went just as easy on Wonder Woman as Black Panther because of it. Black Panther and Wonder Woman are both victims of their own cultural relevance and importance. Nope, you're wrong again. People who were critical of Obama or didn't voted for Obama were called "racist" but people who were critical of Hillary or didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "sexist" or "misogynistic". Because there's a different standard. That's why critics wouldn't be afraid to write negative reviews for Wonder Woman (because being critical of women doesn't result in a "sexist" or "misogynistic" label and isn't career-suicide), but critics were afraid to write negative reviews for Black Panther (because being critical of African-Americans results in a "racist" label and is career-suicide).
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 7, 2018 4:57:01 GMT
You poor naive fool. In this day and age, especially with the #MeToo movement, being a sexist, even if it's not career suicide, it is up there with ruining reputation alone. Critics went just as easy on Wonder Woman as Black Panther because of it. Black Panther and Wonder Woman are both victims of their own cultural relevance and importance. Nope, you're wrong again. People who were critical of Obama or didn't voted for Obama were called "racist" but people who were critical of Hillary or didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "sexist" or "misogynistic". Because there's a different standard. That's why critics wouldn't be afraid to write negative reviews for Wonder Woman (because being critical of women doesn't result in a "sexist" or "misogynistic" label and isn't career-suicide), but critics were afraid to write negative reviews for Black Panther (because being critical of African-Americans results in a "racist" label and is career-suicide). You poor naive pool. Just about every Liberal crybaby whined that Conservatives and Republicans were sexist because they didn't vote for Hillary. And repeating your post verbatim doesn't make you right or enhance your argument in any way. It's also spam by the way. Just to let you know mods.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 7, 2018 6:19:31 GMT
One thing i would Change is typhoid Mary. Kat is better suited for the role. Alice eve should be clea or sue storm but oh well still looks awesome Kat is already Darcy so it wouldn't have happened anyway.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 15:40:17 GMT
So has anyone watched it?
I've seen the Daredevil season 3 teaser at the end of it.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 8, 2018 3:23:57 GMT
Went here to see first reactions about S2... Ended up reading a whole bunch of OT posts.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 9, 2018 18:34:11 GMT
I've only watched episode 1 so far and it was actually a good start.
What about you guys?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 9, 2018 18:36:03 GMT
I also noticed that it's only 10 episodes this season. Something that I've wanted them to do with the Netflix shows.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 9, 2018 20:12:17 GMT
I'm only in Ep2 but what I can say is the fight scenes have definitely imrpoved.
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Post by hardball on Sept 10, 2018 4:51:05 GMT
Finished season 2 and enjoyed it very much. Fight scenes improved significantly and 10 eps seems just right.
The female characters -Joy, Colleen, Mary, Misty - are strong and Davos is a compelling vilain. The ending left me wanting more.
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Post by DSDSquared on Sept 10, 2018 11:53:07 GMT
I was honestly blown away by Iron Fist Season 2. I could not believe how good it was. I always said that season one sucked, but that the characters and story were great and if done right could be a good show. Well it was done right here. The fight scenes were so much better it is not even worth comparing them. The characters were all written better. The only thing I will say negative is that Danny is still the least interesting character on his own show. Ward, Joy, Colleen, Davos, Misty, and Mary were all more compelling.
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 10, 2018 15:13:36 GMT
Finished season 2 and enjoyed it very much. Fight scenes improved significantly and 10 eps seems just right. The female characters -Joy, Colleen, Mary, Misty - are strong and Davos is a compelling vilain. The ending left me wanting more. Mary is the only i would change I found her wooden,as much as i like Alice eve she kinda sucked in the role. She was miscast anyway Other than that perfect 10
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