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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 7, 2018 2:45:27 GMT
I'm still convinced there was some hint of influence by Ares to start the war, not just the leaders, but the soldiers too as evidence the Germans just suddenly becoming confused and stop fighting after Ares is destroyed by "Love"... ahem, Wonder Woman. But okay, if it truly was just the humans who started the war and World War 2 (Ares was dead at this point) what his goal then? What was the point? If he's this all-powerful God who wants to wipe out mankind, what was stopping him so many years earlier? Not the Amazons because Hippolyta made it pretty clear that she wasn't going to do anything to stop Ares since she and the Amazons never forgave "man" for enslaving the women. So what did Ares really want by this point?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 7, 2018 3:03:40 GMT
He had nothing to do with why the wars started or why they ended. What he wanted was for humanity to bring about their own extinction through their constant wars. To him, it would’ve proved a point to himself about why humanity is evil.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 7, 2018 4:24:52 GMT
He had nothing to do with why the wars started or why they ended. What he wanted was for humanity to bring about their own extinction through their constant wars. To him, it would’ve proved a point to himself about why humanity is evil. But what does he achieve by doing that? Isn't the hundreds of years of skirmishes, battles, massacre, and wars even before the first two World Wars evidence enough of that? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 7, 2018 5:12:18 GMT
some Gods of War just want to see the world burn. They are warmongers.
But this film gives motivation: Ares tries to persuade Diana to help him destroy mankind in order to restore his Godly rule and paradise on Earth. Ares tells WW that although he as warmonger has given humans ideas and inspirations, it is ultimately their decision to resort to violence as they are inherently corrupt.
Ultimately, the gods stand for extremes: Ares represents hate/aggression/destruction and Diana - compelled by Steve's sacrifice and love for her - decides to stand for love/compassion; humans stand between these principles.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 7, 2018 5:34:11 GMT
He had nothing to do with why the wars started or why they ended. What he wanted was for humanity to bring about their own extinction through their constant wars. To him, it would’ve proved a point to himself about why humanity is evil. But what does he achieve by doing that? Isn't the hundreds of years of skirmishes, battles, massacre, and wars even before the first two World Wars evidence enough of that? All the past examples of wars and massacres no doubt made Ares’ point seem more correct, but in all likelihood, that wasn’t enough to him, given that humanity always managed to recover from those past incidents. World War I arguably marked the first time that humanity genuinely seemed like it could potentially destroy itself on a global scale, and that was ultimately what Ares wanted. He probably could’ve destroyed humanity himself, but that wouldn’t have been ironic enough to satisfy his personal sense of “justice”. |
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Post by politicidal on Sept 7, 2018 12:59:27 GMT
With his scenes with Wonder Woman or the movie in general? The novelization was that he revealed himself because he was going to siphon off Diana’s power/energy/whatever. Apparently he was in a weakened state. Then as we saw in the movie, it backfired on him.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 7, 2018 19:29:36 GMT
some Gods of War just want to see the world burn. They are warmongers. But this film gives motivation: Ares tries to persuade Diana to help him destroy mankind in order to restore his Godly rule and paradise on Earth. Ares tells WW that although he as warmonger has given humans ideas and inspirations, it is ultimately their decision to resort to violence as they are inherently corrupt. Ultimately, the gods stand for extremes: Ares represents hate/aggression/destruction and Diana - compelled by Steve's sacrifice and love for her - decides to stand for love/compassion; humans stand between these principles. That's not really a motivation. And again, what is it he's trying to achieve with this? Every conflict before WWI should have been evidence enough that mankind is destructive. Who is he trying to prove this too? The other Greek Gods are dead, or so we're told anyways. And I'd think the Amazons believed him anyways considering they never forgave Zeus or mankind for being enslaved and they've never went back to man's world during any major conflict. And he's a God too, why does he need Diana's help. He could have easily wiped out humanity and rebuilt it as a paradise at will anytime he wanted too. Why wait? And even then, he could not have known about Diana existance anyways especially if she never left the island. If he did, was he waiting the entire time for her to show up, even if it took thousands and thousands of years?? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 7, 2018 20:21:16 GMT
some Gods of War just want to see the world burn. They are warmongers. But this film gives motivation: Ares tries to persuade Diana to help him destroy mankind in order to restore his Godly rule and paradise on Earth. Ares tells WW that although he as warmonger has given humans ideas and inspirations, it is ultimately their decision to resort to violence as they are inherently corrupt. Ultimately, the gods stand for extremes: Ares represents hate/aggression/destruction and Diana - compelled by Steve's sacrifice and love for her - decides to stand for love/compassion; humans stand between these principles. And again, what is it he's trying to achieve with this? Every conflict before WWI should have been evidence enough that mankind is destructive. Who is he trying to prove this too? The other Greek Gods are dead, or so we're told anyways. And I'd think the Amazons believed him anyways considering they never forgave Zeus or mankind for being enslaved and they've never went back to man's world during any major conflict. And he's a God too, why does he need Diana's help. He could have easily wiped out humanity and rebuilt it as a paradise at will anytime he wanted too. Why wait? And even then, he could not have known about Diana existance anyways especially if she never left the island. If he did, was he waiting the entire time for her to show up, even if it took thousands and thousands of years?? woah, hold you CGI-rhinos, cowboy. WHAT is not "really a motivation"? Ares explicitly tries to have mankind destroy itself in one great war so to bring back his godly paradise: this is the quintessence of character motivation propelling his warmongering actions. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 7, 2018 21:12:20 GMT
That's not really a motivation. And again, what is it he's trying to achieve with this? Every conflict before WWI should have been evidence enough that mankind is destructive. Who is he trying to prove this too? The other Greek Gods are dead, or so we're told anyways. And I'd think the Amazons believed him anyways considering they never forgave Zeus or mankind for being enslaved and they've never went back to man's world during any major conflict. And he's a God too, why does he need Diana's help. He could have easily wiped out humanity and rebuilt it as a paradise at will anytime he wanted too. Why wait? And even then, he could not have known about Diana existance anyways especially if she never left the island. If he did, was he waiting the entire time for her to show up, even if it took thousands and thousands of years?? woah, hold you CGI-rhinos, cowboy. WHAT is not "really a motivation"? Ares explicitly tries to have mankind destroy itself in one great war so to bring back his godly paradise: this is the quintessence of character motivation propelling his warmongering actions. But he's a God. Why waste all that time trying to get humans to do it with a single war?? And if he was truly strong enough to kill Zeus, the God of Gods, then certainly he'd be strong enough to wipe out the rest of mankind, plague them all with violence to kill themselves. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 8, 2018 16:55:18 GMT
woah, hold you CGI-rhinos, cowboy. WHAT is not "really a motivation"? Ares explicitly tries to have mankind destroy itself in one great war so to bring back his godly paradise: this is the quintessence of character motivation propelling his warmongering actions. But he's a God. Why waste all that time trying to get humans to do it with a single war?? And if he was truly strong enough to kill Zeus, the God of Gods, then certainly he'd be strong enough to wipe out the rest of mankind, plague them all with violence to kill themselves. It wasn’t necessarily a single war that he wanted humanity to destroy itself in. He was helping push for the Armistice as Sir Patrick because he figured it wouldn’t last, and would ultimately only make things worse. He was willing to wait presumably for as long as it would’ve taken for humanity to kill themselves in order to prove his point about why they’re evil. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 8, 2018 17:46:12 GMT
This has already been answered so I'll just leave this here: Ares is a twink  |
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Post by dnno1 on Sept 9, 2018 13:08:16 GMT
I'm still convinced there was some hint of influence by Ares to start the war, not just the leaders, but the soldiers too as evidence the Germans just suddenly becoming confused and stop fighting after Ares is destroyed by "Love"... ahem, Wonder Woman. But okay, if it truly was just the humans who started the war and World War 2 (Ares was dead at this point) what his goal then? What was the point? If he's this all-powerful God who wants to wipe out mankind, what was stopping him so many years earlier? Not the Amazons because Hippolyta made it pretty clear that she wasn't going to do anything to stop Ares since she and the Amazons never forgave "man" for enslaving the women. So what did Ares really want by this point? He wanted mankind to destroy itself so that he could restore the world to the paradise that it was beforehand. In the film, Ares mentions that while under the influence of the Lasso of Truth. He had tried to show Zeus that his creation was destructive, but instead he was wounded and for many years "left too weak to stop them". |
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Post by leesilm on Sept 10, 2018 17:40:13 GMT
Ares, at least for what he says/explains to Diana, almost sounds as though he's trying to say he is just like a stage hypnotist. "I can't make you do something that isn't in your nature to do anyhow, just cause I hypnotized you. I couldn't make you cluck like a chicken if you absolutely wouldn't do it under normal circumstances." He's telling her, "Humanity is rotten and has no control over their destructive streak, give them three options- Fight, Love, or Do nothing, and they will always pick Fight, cause they suck like that." He wanted her to see, as he's explaining it, that he tried to explain to Zeus that Zeus messed up and created this defective trinket, then dared to love it more than his own flesh and blood, so Ares thought Zeus should smite them and be done with it before they destroyed the beautiful world.
He's kind of like the kid on the playground who sees the teachers and other students like the new kid better than him, so he spreads little rumors, lies, and such around so people get suspicious and paranoid regarding this new kid. Then facilitating people picking fights with the new kid, while buddying up to the new kid and telling the new kid stuff to isolate them from everyone else. Then when the new kid acts out and gets thrown out of school, the original kid/Ares sits back and says, "See, I told you all that the new kid was no-good."
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 14, 2018 16:56:23 GMT
I'm still convinced there was some hint of influence by Ares to start the war, not just the leaders, but the soldiers too as evidence the Germans just suddenly becoming confused and stop fighting after Ares is destroyed by "Love"... ahem, Wonder Woman. But okay, if it truly was just the humans who started the war and World War 2 (Ares was dead at this point) what his goal then? What was the point? If he's this all-powerful God who wants to wipe out mankind, what was stopping him so many years earlier? Not the Amazons because Hippolyta made it pretty clear that she wasn't going to do anything to stop Ares since she and the Amazons never forgave "man" for enslaving the women. So what did Ares really want by this point? He starts wars by his subtle influence. He starts shit and stirs pots. And then when people kill one another he feeds off of it. I would have him return in future movies. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 14, 2018 18:35:57 GMT
woah, hold you CGI-rhinos, cowboy. WHAT is not "really a motivation"? Ares explicitly tries to have mankind destroy itself in one great war so to bring back his godly paradise: this is the quintessence of character motivation propelling his warmongering actions. But he's a God. Why waste all that time trying to get humans to do it with a single war?? And if he was truly strong enough to kill Zeus, the God of Gods, then certainly he'd be strong enough to wipe out the rest of mankind, plague them all with violence to kill themselves. But that's not what he wants, he doesn't want to destroy humanity he wants humanity to destroy itself, if he kills humanity he proves nothing, because what does it prove? that he a god is stronger than a mortal man? everyone already knew that, he wants humanity to doom itself so even in his isolation he can cluck to himself that he was right all along, he can shout to the heavens see father I told you they were pitiful, he doesn't recognise he is what is corrupting humanity, he's the one in this story that poisoned the purity of humanity and stokes the fires he set to this day, even in winning he proves nothing except to himself and his warped reality, which is the point he's a villain and he's a bit dolally his motivation doesn't need to make perfect sense, just so long as the logic fits him, in this case he wants to corrupt humanity and lead them to self annihilation, so long as he doesn't kill them him selves he feels he's proving his point.
And it's not really wasting time he is eternal, he has till the end of time to gloat about his victory whats a few thousand years to a deity?
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