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Post by Skaathar on Sept 15, 2018 18:20:19 GMT
When you look at some of the best MCU villains like Loki, Killmonger, Vulture and Thanos - they all had (arguably) good intentions that ended up with them becoming villains. Loki wanted to kill their arch enemies (frost giants) to prove himself to his father, Vulture started selling alien tech to support his family when he got kicked out of his job, Thanos wanted to save the universe by radically depopulating it, etc. In their own minds, they were probably the heroes.
So here's the question: Which current MCU superhero has the most likely chance of turning into a villain despite their current good intentions? Ones who are heroic but can slowly be led astray to become a villain given the right circumstance? I'm not talking about a one-time stint like the GOTG making a heist or Captain America disobeying the law to help his best friend. I'm talking full, all-out villain from the point of view of majority of people.
Let's automatically remove Punisher and Hulk from the equation. Punisher because he's already an anti-hero and just one step away from becoming a villain and Hulk because he's not really in full control of himself yet.
Here are a few of my thoughts:
Thor - if the governments of Earth don't grant the Asgardians refugee status or if the people of earth start discriminating them for being aliens... I could see Thor protecting his people and becoming a villain from humanity's point of view.
Black Panther - If the governments of Earth start becoming greedy towards vibranium and weaponizing it and covering it more, I can see BP and Wakanda closing off their borders again and actively fighting against other governments intent on getting their tech.
Captain America - he's already seen how corrupt governments can become and has been leading an underground operation for some time now. I can easily see him becoming full vigilante, doing whatever it takes to fix and target (what he believes to be) corrupt government officials and agencies.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Sept 15, 2018 23:42:15 GMT
Tony.
But does he not count,
Since he already went there?
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 15, 2018 23:49:11 GMT
Tony. But does he not count, Since he already went there? Nah, he didn't go full villain so he counts. Why'd you pick him? |
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2018 23:49:23 GMT
Wanda - She has already set Hulk off purposely close to a populated city knowing the results just to cause damage, she's blown up part of a building, accident or not, and then at minor prodding she went from being willing to stay at the Avengers compound to trying to murder Tony by throwing cars at him, also she was kind of willing to let the world burn to keep her sentient sex toy around, she may be fit as fuck but that bitch is crazy and bordering on evil.
Groot - He's young and impressionable plus he's already shown murderous intent and a love for violence, he could go bad with the wrong influence in his life.
Quake - She is a terrible judge of right or wrong, she'll do what is best for her and her friends and fuck anything else, she's selfish & petty but worst of all she's extremely arrogant, just because she's an Inhuman and currently good she thought all Inhumans should be above questioning, she even tries using the mutant argument for Inhumans ignoring they aren't natural but a science experiment, she judges others but thinks she should be above questioning, give her a cause and she'll easily become a terrorist...again, oh yeah and she's kind of an idiot as she's been fooled into trusting the wrong people multiple times.
Fitz - He's got a Jekyll & Hyde thing going and though not entirely evil he is kind of morally grey, similar to Quake if give him a reason that doing something wrong will suit him and the people he cares about best and he could turn in an instant.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 16, 2018 0:00:42 GMT
Captain America - he's already seen how corrupt governments can become and has been leading an underground operation for some time now. I can easily see him becoming full vigilante, doing whatever it takes to fix and target (what he believes to be) corrupt government officials and agencies. Captain America is already a villain. He aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from law enforcement officers, which makes him an accessory to murder after the fact. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Sept 16, 2018 0:02:33 GMT
Captain America - he's already seen how corrupt governments can become and has been leading an underground operation for some time now. I can easily see him becoming full vigilante, doing whatever it takes to fix and target (what he believes to be) corrupt government officials and agencies. Captain America is already a villain. He aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from law enforcement officers, which makes him an accessory to murder after the fact. That’s exactly what I expected to read when I saw you had replied to this thread. You’re like a broken annoying record. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 16, 2018 0:12:31 GMT
Captain America is already a villain. He aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from law enforcement officers, which makes him an accessory to murder after the fact. That’s exactly what I expected to read when I saw you had replied to this thread. You’re like a broken annoying record. You are a lot nicer to him than I am, he should be grateful, you didn't swear at him once, I find that hard these days.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 0:17:35 GMT
Black Widow.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 16, 2018 0:20:09 GMT
I wouldn't say the Hulk has ever gone full villain - yet. |
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Post by politicidal on Sept 16, 2018 2:55:50 GMT
Star Lord. He's fallen from grace already.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:09:36 GMT
Captain America - he's already seen how corrupt governments can become and has been leading an underground operation for some time now. I can easily see him becoming full vigilante, doing whatever it takes to fix and target (what he believes to be) corrupt government officials and agencies. Captain America is already a villain. He aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from law enforcement officers, which makes him an accessory to murder after the fact. You don't even know what a villain is and refers to. |
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Post by merh on Sept 16, 2018 11:51:20 GMT
Tony. But does he not count, Since he already went there? Nah, he didn't go full villain so he counts. Why'd you pick him? Tony created Ultron, did he not? His fears & insecurities drive him to extremes. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 16, 2018 13:11:05 GMT
Nah, he didn't go full villain so he counts. Why'd you pick him? Tony created Ultron, did he not? His fears & insecurities drive him to extremes. Did he though? the film has Tony & Bruce failing, then Jarvis continues doing test simulations on various interfaces, when Ultron awakes Jarvis even states he does not know what has triggered Ultron, Tony later states he and Bruce weren't even close, something else brought Ultron to life, something like the mind stone.
Also hard to blame Tony for his actions whilst under the influence of a witches spell, you cant blame Tony for that similar to how you cant say Bruce is a villain for Hulking out in Africa, or Bucky for the kills he committed when under the Winter Soldier programming, Hawkeye for what Loki made him do, their actions were not their own.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 16, 2018 17:21:55 GMT
Captain America is already a villain. He aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from law enforcement officers, which makes him an accessory to murder after the fact. You don't even know what a villain is and refers to. Everone except MCU fans would agree that anyone who aids snd abets the murderer of 2 innocent people to flee from the law and avoid prosecution for 2 brutal and heinous crimes is definitely a villain. |
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 16, 2018 18:23:33 GMT
You don't even know what a villain is and refers to. Everone except MCU fans would agree that anyone who aids snd abets the murderer of 2 innocent people to flee from the law and avoid prosecution for 2 brutal and heinous crimes is definitely a villain. Being an accessory to murder and being an all-out villain are two completely different things. You might need to learn a bit more about what a villain is. If you want to say Cap can become a villain, then at least put a bit more thought and creativity into it. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 19:43:01 GMT
You don't even know what a villain is and refers to. Everone except MCU fans would agree that anyone who aids snd abets the murderer of 2 innocent people to flee from the law and avoid prosecution for 2 brutal and heinous crimes is definitely a villain. You don't have to be an MCU to see that your full of BS. |
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Post by merh on Sept 16, 2018 21:50:15 GMT
Tony created Ultron, did he not? His fears & insecurities drive him to extremes. Did he though? the film has Tony & Bruce failing, then Jarvis continues doing test simulations on various interfaces, when Ultron awakes Jarvis even states he does not know what has triggered Ultron, Tony later states he and Bruce weren't even close, something else brought Ultron to life, something like the mind stone.
Also hard to blame Tony for his actions whilst under the influence of a witches spell, you cant blame Tony for that similar to how you cant say Bruce is a villain for Hulking out in Africa, or Bucky for the kills he committed when under the Winter Soldier programming, Hawkeye for what Loki made him do, their actions were not their own.
Excuses, excuses. No, it is Tony's nature as Wanda pointed out to Cap that Ultron saw things the same way Tony did. Tony wanted to save all his friends so they didn't have to risk their lives to save the world fighting alien invaders. Who had the bright idea to use the scepter? It wasn't a spell. She showed them a vision. Their fears. Did Ragnarok happen because of Wanda? Or did she just give Thor a vision? |
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Post by dazz on Sept 16, 2018 22:46:19 GMT
Did he though? the film has Tony & Bruce failing, then Jarvis continues doing test simulations on various interfaces, when Ultron awakes Jarvis even states he does not know what has triggered Ultron, Tony later states he and Bruce weren't even close, something else brought Ultron to life, something like the mind stone.
Also hard to blame Tony for his actions whilst under the influence of a witches spell, you cant blame Tony for that similar to how you cant say Bruce is a villain for Hulking out in Africa, or Bucky for the kills he committed when under the Winter Soldier programming, Hawkeye for what Loki made him do, their actions were not their own.
Excuses, excuses. No, it is Tony's nature as Wanda pointed out to Cap that Ultron saw things the same way Tony did. Tony wanted to save all his friends so they didn't have to risk their lives to save the world fighting alien invaders. Who had the bright idea to use the scepter? It wasn't a spell. She showed them a vision. Their fears. Did Ragnarok happen because of Wanda? Or did she just give Thor a vision? Tony's idea was to study the "programming" of the sceptre not to use the mind stone inside it itself, and if anything that goes to Thor, Tony asked to have the sceptre Thor agreed, Tony's Tony I don't know about you but I wouldn't trust Tony with some new superweapon without supervision, in that situation Tony is a child, Thor an adult, the sceptre a gun, if Tony stole the sceptre and used it without permission that's on him, if has ask's to play with it and Thor agree's that's on Thor.
Ragnarok kind of is on Wanda, had the vision not sent Thor off looking for the Infinity Stones he may have become aware of Odin's presence on earth, Loki's treachery, he wouldn't have bested Surtur taking his crown to the vaults of Asguard, the events of that film can be traced back to her if you tilt your mind a little.
I just don't think Tony is villainous, but that's just me he's a dick, he's a genius level dumb fuck, he's arrogant and foolish but he also does listen to other people, he tries to be a better man, he just reacts badly in the moment at times.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 16, 2018 23:43:15 GMT
In all honesty, no one. It’s kind of stupid to turn one of these main characters into a villain now especially with so many people attached to them.
I think that should be saved for maybe X-Men and its related characters.
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