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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 18, 2018 19:14:45 GMT
Game of Thrones’ Author George R. R. Martin Didn’t Want the Show to End: ‘We Could’ve Gone 11, 12, 13 Seasons’
“Game of Thrones” may be coming to an end this year after eight seasons, but the creator of the HBO hit’s world would’ve liked to continue the show for several more years.
“We could’ve gone 11, 12, 13 seasons,” George R. R. Martin told Variety at the Primetime Emmys red carpet on Monday, where “Game of Thrones” leads the nominations with 22. He said the decision to end the series now was up to showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
“David and Dan have been saying for like five seasons that seven seasons is all they would go,” the “Game of Thrones” author continued. “We got them to go to eight but not any more than that. There was a period like five years ago when they were saying seven seasons and I was saying 10 seasons and they won, they’re the ones actually working on it.”
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 18, 2018 19:17:41 GMT
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 18, 2018 19:31:11 GMT
If something were making me rich without my doing more than turning up at Emmy parties, I wouldn't want it to end either.
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Post by Seto on Sept 18, 2018 22:37:11 GMT
For once I'm actually siding with D&D.
George is really one to talk about extending the show, when there should actually be 11, 12, 13 books in the series. The man has been sitting on the sixth book for eight years.
Yes D&D did a significant dis-service to the story by greatly condensing books 4 and 5, and by rushing the ending, but if they had a bit more to go on things may have been different.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 19, 2018 0:13:08 GMT
George is really one to talk about extending the show, when there should actually be 11, 12, 13 books in the series. The man has been sitting on the sixth book for eight years. Literally the entire existence of the show itself! If he just wrote for one hour a day he would have totally finished by now. I know he's busy and probably travels a lot to take meetings and what not, but portable laptops are a thing, no? WTF?
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Post by Marv on Sept 19, 2018 1:48:53 GMT
Better to have a structured end than to peter on directionless for years until fans lose interest.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 19, 2018 3:27:26 GMT
Yes D&D did a significant dis-service to the story by greatly condensing books 4 and 5, and by rushing the ending, but if they had a bit more to go on things may have been different. No. Simply not. The show was consciously dumbed down to satisfy its average audience, not because the writers couldn't do better. The story could easily have been condensed without much of the crap that happens from the end of S5 on. Even the end of Stannis could have been condensed further and made to make sense if he had been murdered by his own men refusing to go on a suicide campaign rather than escaping a lost battle all on his own to bump into undetected Brienne by mere chance. The story was adapted to please the 13 year old figurine buying crowd.
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Post by Seto on Sept 19, 2018 7:50:14 GMT
No. Simply not. The show was consciously dumbed down to satisfy its average audience, not because the writers couldn't do better. The story could easily have been condensed without much of the crap that happens from the end of S5 on. Even the end of Stannis could have been condensed further and made to make sense if he had been murdered by his own men refusing to go on a suicide campaign rather than escaping a lost battle all on his own to bump into undetected Brienne by mere chance. The story was adapted to please the 13 year old figurine buying crowd. So in your mind after season four D&D had the talent and motivation to write a compelling story, but chose not to in order to cater for younger and dumber audiences?? And how on earth have you come to that conclusion?? I don't care how child friendly or generic you want your story to be. There is no excuse for the terrible writing decisions that D&D went with as the show went on. And if you look carefully, all the really good things from the show are straight from the books, and all the terrible things from the show, including things all the way back in season 1, are from D&D. These guys can adapt fairly well, but when it comes to original ideas, they have no talent. And I think D&D know they are lost without Martin, that's why they want to wrap this story up. They originally only wanted seven seasons, but HBO begged them to push it to eight. They agreed provided both seasons had fewer episodes. So they lack the skill and guidance, but they also lack the motivation. They have said in interviews that when the show started they could not wait to get to the Red Wedding and watch the fan reaction. Reading between the lines, this tells me that everything after the Red Wedding simply didn't interest them as much. To be fair, books four and five are less action packed than the first three, but motivated and talented writers could still make something of it. D&D however, decided to largely throw out books four and five in favour of their actor shilling that has become their trademark. The show was a massive success, so they knew they could afford to stop caring about the story and just write nonsense to show off their actors. If you listen to their commentary all they talk about is how great the actors are. They don't care about the story, they are just fanboys. So no, they didn't adapt the story to "please the 13 year old figurine buying crowd." D&D are themselves members of the "13 year old figurine buying crowd."
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 19, 2018 7:55:24 GMT
While I am not sure finishing the show in 13 seasons would have been a wise thing to do but I feel that the show has been rushed since season 7 (if not season since 6). There should have been 10 episodes in season 7 and the show could have been stretched to season 9 with 8 episodes each in S8 and S9.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 19, 2018 10:11:04 GMT
The show started rushing towards the end of S5. Tyrion's immediate acceptance within Daenerys' circle, Jorah's contrived return, Stannis' accelerated downfall, Jon's illogical assassination, these things were made to happen without plausible basis for the sake of effect. It went on for all of S6, especially with Sansa arriving at the Wall untroubled or the Ironborn stealing a fleet and travelling across the world in a heartbeat while a mere couple of weeks were passing in King's Landing.
It was what the masses wanted. Everybody seemed to be complaining about S5 being slow. The dumb got their wish.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 19, 2018 10:33:02 GMT
So in your mind after season four D&D had the talent and motivation to write a compelling story, but chose not to in order to cater for younger and dumber audiences?? And how on earth have you come to that conclusion?? I don't care how child friendly or generic you want your story to be. There is no excuse for the terrible writing decisions that D&D went with as the show went on. And if you look carefully, all the really good things from the show are straight from the books, and all the terrible things from the show, including things all the way back in season 1, are from D&D. These guys can adapt fairly well, but when it comes to original ideas, they have no talent. And I think D&D know they are lost without Martin, that's why they want to wrap this story up. They originally only wanted seven seasons, but HBO begged them to push it to eight. They agreed provided both seasons had fewer episodes. So they lack the skill and guidance, but they also lack the motivation. They have said in interviews that when the show started they could not wait to get to the Red Wedding and watch the fan reaction. Reading between the lines, this tells me that everything after the Red Wedding simply didn't interest them as much. To be fair, books four and five are less action packed than the first three, but motivated and talented writers could still make something of it. D&D however, decided to largely throw out books four and five in favour of their actor shilling that has become their trademark. The show was a massive success, so they knew they could afford to stop caring about the story and just write nonsense to show off their actors. If you listen to their commentary all they talk about is how great the actors are. They don't care about the story, they are just fanboys. So no, they didn't adapt the story to "please the 13 year old figurine buying crowd." D&D are themselves members of the "13 year old figurine buying crowd." Here is a topic I wrote about this some time ago: Why was GoT dumbed down?If you look a little more carefully, D&D improved in several instances over Martin's teenage crap, whose writing often appears to indulge in presumably "adult" themes from the view of someone who is just leaving childhood. Transgression as a value is a teenage mentality, not an adult one. They stopped refining the writing when they realised they were going the wrong way for their audience, who wanted more action, more dragons, more "girrrrl powerrrr!" and above all more Stark reunions and Stark victories. The promoting of actors has another, albeit related purpose. As they were dumbing down to make more revenue, they also became an active part of the business in which relations determine what you do next and whom you work with. Praising new actors through their show was giving them and their employers fresh, new opportunities. What good are you to the show business if you're not taking advantage of your success to create new stars to milk further? Do not wonder why D&D and some of the GoT actors are now becoming part of the Star Crap family. This is the next level in "family" building and money making. Then you get some idealistic fools to misunderstand this as a flaw in their writing abilities. It seems the fools have no idea what this is all about. They believe it's about doing justice to the books of some fat fuck somewhere. D&D knew from the outset they would aim at 7 seasons. This decision was taken at a time when they believed GRRM would finish the story before and it was based on observation of other successful TV shows. Success was their target, financial obviously. They didn't want a show that would trail into increased cost for dwindling revenue. This has nothing to do with them "being lost without GRRM". Listen to their commentary and you hear what they want their audience to hear. Of course they pose as one of them and they give them what they want. It's part of the public relation circus that makes them rich.
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Post by Seto on Sept 19, 2018 14:24:49 GMT
Here is a topic I wrote about this some time ago: Why was GoT dumbed down?If you look a little more carefully, D&D improved in several instances over Martin's teenage crap, whose writing often appears to indulge in presumably "adult" themes from the view of someone who is just leaving childhood. Transgression as a value is a teenage mentality, not an adult one. They stopped refining the writing when they realised they were going the wrong way for their audience, who wanted more action, more dragons, more "girrrrl powerrrr!" and above all more Stark reunions and Stark victories. The promoting of actors has another, albeit related purpose. As they were dumbing down to make more revenue, they also became an active part of the business in which relations determine what you do next and whom you work with. Praising new actors through their show was giving them and their employers fresh, new opportunities. What good are you to the show business if you're not taking advantage of your success to create new stars to milk further? Do not wonder why D&D and some of the GoT actors are now becoming part of the Star Crap family. This is the next level in "family" building and money making. Then you get some idealistic fools to misunderstand this as a flaw in their writing abilities. It seems the fools have no idea what this is all about. They believe it's about doing justice to the books of some fat fuck somewhere. D&D knew from the outset they would aim at 7 seasons. This decision was taken at a time when they believed GRRM would finish the story before and it was based on observation of other successful TV shows. Success was their target, financial obviously. They didn't want a show that would trail into increased cost for dwindling revenue. This has nothing to do with them "being lost without GRRM". Listen to their commentary and you hear what they want their audience to hear. Of course they pose as one of them and they give them what they want. It's part of the public relation circus that makes them rich. "Transgression" is the only theme you can pick up from the books? And D&D improved on this? How exactly? Also from what I can gather from your ramblings, you simply repeat the same argument; that D&D made a conscious decision to dumb down the show for the sake of their audience rather than their lack of talent. Again I ask. How on earth do you come to this conclusion??
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 19, 2018 15:54:23 GMT
"Transgression" is the only theme you can pick up from the books? And D&D improved on this? How exactly? Also from what I can gather from your ramblings, you simply repeat the same argument; that D&D made a conscious decision to dumb down the show for the sake of their audience rather than their lack of talent. Again I ask. How on earth do you come to this conclusion?? I had no intention to give you a detailed exposition of any of what I find either in the books or in the show. I know there is no point debating with book fans who can't see their obvious flaws and still take their author seriously.
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Post by Seto on Sept 20, 2018 4:51:54 GMT
I had no intention to give you a detailed exposition of any of what I find either in the books or in the show. I know there is no point debating with book fans who can't see their obvious flaws and still take their author seriously. In other words, you don't really know what your talking about, and your just trolling me because your a disagreeable contrarian.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 20, 2018 6:59:08 GMT
I had no intention to give you a detailed exposition of any of what I find either in the books or in the show. I know there is no point debating with book fans who can't see their obvious flaws and still take their author seriously. In other words, you don't really know what your talking about, and your just trolling me because your a disagreeable contrarian. In other words, I see no point discussing with you. My views have been expressed at length and in details on this board. If you're interested, you'll find them. If not, why should I care? You're the one acting like a butthurt pussy after being told it has bad taste and poor logic. Well, pussy off, then.
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Post by hi224 on Sept 20, 2018 7:49:28 GMT
I hope hes trolling here ugh.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 20, 2018 8:33:14 GMT
Better to have a structured end than to peter on directionless for years until fans lose interest. Hello Marv. Where have you been?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 20, 2018 8:42:07 GMT
I hope hes trolling here ugh. He obviously is. I'm obviously not…
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Post by hi224 on Sept 20, 2018 17:04:49 GMT
No sounds seeious.
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