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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 8, 2018 18:54:26 GMT
I just realized how bad it is. Tv spots use shots of Riot killing people and I assumed it was Venom before the movie not Riot. Without Venom's corrupted spider sigul on his chest you couldn't tell the difference. I'm not the only one when people asked me about the movie they were hyped at seeing Venom using his arms as axes and blades to kill people. There is a shot of Riot wiping out a room of people. I believe this bait and switch in the tv spots was intentional. "This shot looks like Venom and it's a cool shot, put it in the trailer" It's not like in the Avengers 3 or Ragnarok using different cgi to not give spoilers away. (Thanos only having 2 stones in the gauntlet when Cap is stopping his hand or Thor having both eyes when he lands on the bridge in the trailer) This was the cgi for the villian and hero is so similar no one will know it's the villain in the spot.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 8, 2018 19:15:23 GMT
I haven't seen the film yet but there was a clip online, before it got taken down by Sony, of Riot and Venom fighting and it reminded me of the Michael Bay Transformers movies and how in certain action scenes you can't tell the robots apart, especially the decepticons, because of color and lighting.
Granted maybe it'll look better on the big screen, but I can't help but wonder why they didn't try to differentiate between the two characters.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 8, 2018 19:21:26 GMT
I haven't seen the film yet but there was a clip online, before it got taken down by Sony, of Riot and Venom fighting and it reminded me of the Michael Bay Transformers movies and how in certain action scenes you can't tell the robots apart, especially the decepticons, because of color and lighting. Granted maybe it'll look better on the big screen, but I can't help but wonder why they didn't try to differentiate between the two characters. I won't spoil anything but there is a scene when they are fighting that I actually laughed at the irony of it. This was during my second viewing I noticed it. I said to myself "I wonder if they put that shot in because of the irony." If they did the director or cgi artists have good sense of subversive humor. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 8, 2018 19:23:09 GMT
I haven't seen the film yet but there was a clip online, before it got taken down by Sony, of Riot and Venom fighting and it reminded me of the Michael Bay Transformers movies and how in certain action scenes you can't tell the robots apart, especially the decepticons, because of color and lighting. Granted maybe it'll look better on the big screen, but I can't help but wonder why they didn't try to differentiate between the two characters. And I didn't make the connection between Transformers Cgi and this cgi but you are correct. Luckily we only had 2 figures to deal with. Transformers is compounded with having 20 different robots all looking the same. |
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Post by merh on Oct 8, 2018 20:18:00 GMT
I just realized how bad it is. Tv spots use shots of Riot killing people and I assumed it was Venom before the movie not Riot. Without Venom's corrupted spider sigul on his chest you couldn't tell the difference. I'm not the only one when people asked me about the movie they were hyped at seeing Venom using his arms as axes and blades to kill people. There is a shot of Riot wiping out a room of people. I believe this bait and switch in the tv spots was intentional. "This shot looks like Venom and it's a cool shot, put it in the trailer" It's not like in the Avengers 3 or Ragnarok using different cgi to not give spoilers away. (Thanos only having 2 stones in the gauntlet when Cap is stopping his hand or Thor having both eyes when he lands on the bridge in the trailer) This was the cgi for the villian and hero is so similar no one will know it's the villain in the spot. Riot is more grey/silver & bigger I'm 58 with old astigmatism eyeballs & I could tell. I stopped paying attention to the trailers after the first. They were horrid |
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Post by Power Ranger on Oct 8, 2018 21:34:19 GMT
I just realized how bad it is. Tv spots use shots of Riot killing people and I assumed it was Venom before the movie not Riot. Without Venom's corrupted spider sigul on his chest you couldn't tell the difference. I'm not the only one when people asked me about the movie they were hyped at seeing Venom using his arms as axes and blades to kill people. There is a shot of Riot wiping out a room of people. I believe this bait and switch in the tv spots was intentional. "This shot looks like Venom and it's a cool shot, put it in the trailer" It's not like in the Avengers 3 or Ragnarok using different cgi to not give spoilers away. (Thanos only having 2 stones in the gauntlet when Cap is stopping his hand or Thor having both eyes when he lands on the bridge in the trailer) This was the cgi for the villian and hero is so similar no one will know it's the villain in the spot. Riot is more grey/silver & bigger I'm 58 with old astigmatism eyeballs & I could tell. I stopped paying attention to the trailers after the first. They were horrid Yes he is different but too similar so as to make it dull. Plus it was unnesecary to include Riot. It was very bland. It’s like they had a script in mind and tried to fit Spidey characters into it, instead of fitting a script to suit Spidey characters. |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 8, 2018 23:49:30 GMT
I keep saying it for the plants on this board, Spider Slayers are the way to go. It's a wonder they hadn't been adapted yet.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 9, 2018 5:07:02 GMT
I just realized how bad it is. Tv spots use shots of Riot killing people and I assumed it was Venom before the movie not Riot. Without Venom's corrupted spider sigul on his chest you couldn't tell the difference. I'm not the only one when people asked me about the movie they were hyped at seeing Venom using his arms as axes and blades to kill people. There is a shot of Riot wiping out a room of people. I believe this bait and switch in the tv spots was intentional. "This shot looks like Venom and it's a cool shot, put it in the trailer" It's not like in the Avengers 3 or Ragnarok using different cgi to not give spoilers away. (Thanos only having 2 stones in the gauntlet when Cap is stopping his hand or Thor having both eyes when he lands on the bridge in the trailer) This was the cgi for the villian and hero is so similar no one will know it's the villain in the spot. Riot is more grey/silver & bigger I'm 58 with old astigmatism eyeballs & I could tell. I stopped paying attention to the trailers after the first. They were horrid There are scenes at the end of the movie where it gets hard to tell them apart but I could for the most part. It's funny that at the end:
They literally had the 2 symbiotes merge. I don't know if they did this as a subversive joke or not. It's like the animators and director was saying "Even we know that It's hard to tell them apart at night with black and slightly lighter grey cgi. So here are them merging together to make it harder" I hope that was there thinking process.
As for the trailer look at the second official trailer. I am going to try to put the trailer at the time I want you to see if that doesn't work the scene I'm talking about is at 2:13. That is Riot killing that room of people. Unless you are specifically told that you wouldn't know. It's a big greyish black symbiote without a symbol on his chest. And since Venom in this movie doesn't have one either there is no real way to tell them apart in the above scene. (You know who it is when you watch the actual movie I know) I had a few people say they loved that scene in the trailer where Venom is killing a whole room of people. I think they put that in the trailer specifically as a bait and switch. The people at Sony knew the audience when they saw the trailer would assume it's Venom. They use that assumption to go along with the scenes where Venom talks about wanting to eat a man's internal organs, there is the other scene at the end of the trailer talking about eating the mugger's arms and legs and the scene where they cut to black screen before he bites the head off of a guy. They offered up those scenes because they are pushing the Anti-Hero angle. It's as if they are saying in the trailer "This isn't a hero! When is last time a hero bit the head off a guy? When have you heard a hero talking about eating someone's pancreas? When is the last time you saw a hero kill a whole room of people in one motion cutting them in half" |
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Post by merh on Oct 10, 2018 7:28:40 GMT
Riot is more grey/silver & bigger I'm 58 with old astigmatism eyeballs & I could tell. I stopped paying attention to the trailers after the first. They were horrid Yes he is different but too similar so as to make it dull. Plus it was unnesecary to include Riot. It was very bland. It’s like they had a script in mind and tried to fit Spidey characters into it, instead of fitting a script to suit Spidey characters. I have no memory of ever reading Venom in a book so I had no idea of a character named Riot. However, I found it a logical villain considering there were 4 samples brought to earth? So, yeah. So would you have preferred them making Riot hot pink? There have been other battles where one couldnt tell who was who. Like with mimic villains. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 10, 2018 7:44:36 GMT
Yes he is different but too similar so as to make it dull. Plus it was unnesecary to include Riot. It was very bland. It’s like they had a script in mind and tried to fit Spidey characters into it, instead of fitting a script to suit Spidey characters. I have no memory of ever reading Venom in a book so I had no idea of a character named Riot. However, I found it a logical villain considering there were 4 samples brought to earth? So, yeah. So would you have preferred them making Riot hot pink? There have been other battles where one couldnt tell who was who. Like with mimic villains. And anytime this does happen in another movie it frustrates people. Movies are a visual medium. If your visuals are so confusing you can't tell what is going on, you have failed at basic movie making. the whole point of this post was commenting on how the two symbiotes look so similar that people confused Riot with Venom in the trailer. That's pretty bad that you can't tell a character from another in a visual medium. Now in the actual movie Riot doesn't have a lot of screen time. When he is with Drake in the labs you obviously can tell who it is. The final battle though is a whole separate can of worms. Firstly the setting is an uninteresting location. Secondly it's at night and the 2 aliens are Black with light grey veins. The other is a shade of grey close to Venom's black. (With some red highlights and stands taller) Thirdly the action was kind of choppy with quick cuts. This didn't help with determine who is who. I thought the movie was decent, but if I pay 30 bux for a movie and concessions then I want to be able to discern which characters are which. I don't think that's too much to ask. |
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Post by merh on Oct 12, 2018 9:57:42 GMT
I have no memory of ever reading Venom in a book so I had no idea of a character named Riot. However, I found it a logical villain considering there were 4 samples brought to earth? So, yeah. So would you have preferred them making Riot hot pink? There have been other battles where one couldnt tell who was who. Like with mimic villains. And anytime this does happen in another movie it frustrates people. Movies are a visual medium. If your visuals are so confusing you can't tell what is going on, you have failed at basic movie making. the whole point of this post was commenting on how the two symbiotes look so similar that people confused Riot with Venom in the trailer. That's pretty bad that you can't tell a character from another in a visual medium. Now in the actual movie Riot doesn't have a lot of screen time. When he is with Drake in the labs you obviously can tell who it is. The final battle though is a whole separate can of worms. Firstly the setting is an uninteresting location. Secondly it's at night and the 2 aliens are Black with light grey veins. The other is a shade of grey close to Venom's black. (With some red highlights and stands taller) Thirdly the action was kind of choppy with quick cuts. This didn't help with determine who is who. I thought the movie was decent, but if I pay 30 bux for a movie and concessions then I want to be able to discern which characters are which. I don't think that's too much to ask. I can't say they used it here, but USUALLY the purpose of similar appearing combatants is to keep that "who won?" going. Like the gun goes off in a close combat situation-who got shot? Seconds pass before the reveal. I expect it to play in Captain Marvel with the skrulls as the baddies. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 12, 2018 10:21:13 GMT
And anytime this does happen in another movie it frustrates people. Movies are a visual medium. If your visuals are so confusing you can't tell what is going on, you have failed at basic movie making. the whole point of this post was commenting on how the two symbiotes look so similar that people confused Riot with Venom in the trailer. That's pretty bad that you can't tell a character from another in a visual medium. Now in the actual movie Riot doesn't have a lot of screen time. When he is with Drake in the labs you obviously can tell who it is. The final battle though is a whole separate can of worms. Firstly the setting is an uninteresting location. Secondly it's at night and the 2 aliens are Black with light grey veins. The other is a shade of grey close to Venom's black. (With some red highlights and stands taller) Thirdly the action was kind of choppy with quick cuts. This didn't help with determine who is who. I thought the movie was decent, but if I pay 30 bux for a movie and concessions then I want to be able to discern which characters are which. I don't think that's too much to ask. I can't say they used it here, but USUALLY the purpose of similar appearing combatants is to keep that "who won?" going. Like the gun goes off in a close combat situation-who got shot? Seconds pass before the reveal. I expect it to play in Captain Marvel with the skrulls as the baddies. You know I've never heard that before, but it does make sense. I really did bust out laughing when the 2 Symbiotes merged as they were climbing up the rocket/shuttle scaffolding. i thought to myself damn even the animators thought they looked the same. They just merged those fuckers together during the fight. Like Harry Potter and Voldemort style. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 12, 2018 11:31:03 GMT
Having watched the scene in full context on the big screen I can honestly say that it was a stupid ass decision. First off you have two darker colored symbiotes fighting each other. So it was bad enough that in all that CGI craziness of blobs meshing together you couldn't tell what the fuck was going on. Then they had the nerve to make it a fight that takes place at night, so you couldn't even see most of it. politicidal was right. They should have done something different for a antagonist. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 12, 2018 11:39:53 GMT
Having watched the scene in full context on the big screen I can honestly say that it was a stupid ass decision. First off you have two darker colored symbiotes fighting each other. So it was bad enough that in all that CGI craziness of blobs meshing together you couldn't tell what the fuck was going on. Then they had the nerve to make it a fight that takes place at night, so you couldn't even see most of it. politicidal was right. They should have done something different for a antagonist. If you wanted contrast even at night you could go with a famous white symbiote. It would make no sense in this context, but Ant-Venom would've worked visually. They would have to clone Eddie though (I shouldn't tempt them. I think Spider-man has more clones than Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children) Eddie was the first Anti-Venom I don't know if the symbiote is still with him though. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 12, 2018 11:50:56 GMT
Having watched the scene in full context on the big screen I can honestly say that it was a stupid ass decision. First off you have two darker colored symbiotes fighting each other. So it was bad enough that in all that CGI craziness of blobs meshing together you couldn't tell what the fuck was going on. Then they had the nerve to make it a fight that takes place at night, so you couldn't even see most of it. politicidal was right. They should have done something different for a antagonist. If you wanted contrast even at night you could go with a famous white symbiote. It would make no sense in this context, but Ant-Venom would've worked visually. They would have to clone Eddie though (I shouldn't tempt them. I think Spider-man has more clones than Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children) Eddie was the first Anti-Venom I don't know if the symbiote is still with him though. Or just put it in a place where it had better lighting or use a different symbiote for the villain or better yet use no symbiote at all. They should have either used Carnage if they really wanted a symbiote villain or just used some one else as the antagonist. Hell I liked politicidal idea with the Spider Slayers. Maybe even throw in Silver Sable and her mercenaries. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 12, 2018 14:42:42 GMT
If you wanted contrast even at night you could go with a famous white symbiote. It would make no sense in this context, but Ant-Venom would've worked visually. They would have to clone Eddie though (I shouldn't tempt them. I think Spider-man has more clones than Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children) Eddie was the first Anti-Venom I don't know if the symbiote is still with him though. Or just put it in a place where it had better lighting or use a different symbiote for the villain or better yet use no symbiote at all. They should have either used Carnage if they really wanted a symbiote villain or just used some one else as the antagonist. Hell I liked politicidal idea with the Spider Slayers. Maybe even throw in Silver Sable and her mercenaries. They had to try every trick in the book to keep that movie at $100m budget. I have no clue how they made that movie for that. Lots of the locations were generic so they probably rented them on the cheap. I would assume they got Hardy for cheap. British/Uk actors will take lower paycheck then their American counterparts. Most of the Symbiote shots were in night time/low light. Low light makes the shots visually muddled and muddy, it also hides shitty/quick cgi. You can get away with quite crappy cgi especially texture mapping in extreme low light. Only a few were in good lighting altho it was florescent light which is shitty light . I don't think any of the Symbiote shots were in good natural sunlight though. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 12, 2018 14:56:28 GMT
If you wanted contrast even at night you could go with a famous white symbiote. It would make no sense in this context, but Ant-Venom would've worked visually. They would have to clone Eddie though (I shouldn't tempt them. I think Spider-man has more clones than Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children) Eddie was the first Anti-Venom I don't know if the symbiote is still with him though. Or just put it in a place where it had better lighting or use a different symbiote for the villain or better yet use no symbiote at all. They should have either used Carnage if they really wanted a symbiote villain or just used some one else as the antagonist. Hell I liked politicidal idea with the Spider Slayers. Maybe even throw in Silver Sable and her mercenaries. You can't put it in a place with better lighting. Dark lighting means the movie is dark. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 12, 2018 15:01:49 GMT
Or just put it in a place where it had better lighting or use a different symbiote for the villain or better yet use no symbiote at all. They should have either used Carnage if they really wanted a symbiote villain or just used some one else as the antagonist. Hell I liked politicidal idea with the Spider Slayers. Maybe even throw in Silver Sable and her mercenaries. You can't put it in a place with better lighting. Dark lighting means the movie is dark. Nah, it means the studio forgot to pay their electric bill. |
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