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Post by Nightman on Oct 15, 2018 10:40:33 GMT
Targaryens are the super-heroes of the story. This is a strange and apparently purely American phenomenon in which adults keep wallowing in the taste of their 12 year old self. The same goes for the Starks' warging abilities. No matter where you look, the fat baseball fan will have something infantile to jerk off to. Then the egalitarian faction comes along and starts taking them down for their privilege. They're the kind who will tell you that Bob Dylan's is just as good music as Mozart's, presenting lack of taste as a moral principle. There is a good point to be made about the implausibility of Viserys' situation, all designed to leave room for that funny fAegon plot in the books. The Dothraki invasion scheme never made any sense either. [/quote] The random insults of Americans in the first paragraph makes no sense. Agree with the second paragraph. The Dothraki invasion plan makes sense from Illyrio's perspective if you take into account he probably didn't want it to succeed. That still wouldn't have worked as well as having all the Targs on the same team in the first place. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 15, 2018 11:37:15 GMT
The Dothraki invasion plan makes sense from Illyrio's perspective if you take into account he probably didn't want it to succeed. That still wouldn't have worked as well as having all the Targs on the same team in the first place. This is something very strange. No one in their right mind should expect Drogo's Dothraki to do what they had never done before. This is also what happens at first, Drogo telling Daenerys he doesn't need a chair. How did Varys and Illyrio exactly hope to make use of Drogo's resources? They had no control over it and no reason to think he would ever do what Viserys wanted. And if they wanted to get rid of both, surely there would have been safer ways. That "investment" of theirs made no sense. |
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Post by Nightman on Oct 15, 2018 11:49:38 GMT
The Dothraki invasion plan makes sense from Illyrio's perspective if you take into account he probably didn't want it to succeed. That still wouldn't have worked as well as having all the Targs on the same team in the first place. This is something very strange. No one in their right mind should expect Drogo's Dothraki to do what they had never done before. This is also what happens at first, Drogo telling Daenerys he doesn't need a chair. How did Varys and Illyrio exactly hope to make use of Drogo's resources? They had no control over it and no reason to think he would ever do what Viserys wanted. And if they wanted to get rid of both, surely there would have been safer ways. That "investment" of theirs made no sense. Nothing about the Dothraki makes sense to me. I think there has to be something about the plan that hasn't been revealed yet. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 15, 2018 12:16:51 GMT
This is something very strange. No one in their right mind should expect Drogo's Dothraki to do what they had never done before. This is also what happens at first, Drogo telling Daenerys he doesn't need a chair. How did Varys and Illyrio exactly hope to make use of Drogo's resources? They had no control over it and no reason to think he would ever do what Viserys wanted. And if they wanted to get rid of both, surely there would have been safer ways. That "investment" of theirs made no sense. Nothing about the Dothraki makes sense to me. I think there has to be something about the plan that hasn't been revealed yet. When Varys and Illyrio speak in S1E05, they discuss the planned invasion as an urgent necessity, Illyrio responding that Drogo won't make a move before he has a son. Illyrio is telling Varys he has a concrete plan, implies an agreement with Drogo, as he did with Viserys. Surely he wouldn't be able to fool Varys about this and later developments keep their secret alliance working. I take it these two really intended Viserys to invade, which is very much a gamble based on a promise made by a Dothraki Khal. We can now speculate some intricate plot in which Viserys is sacrificed first, Drogo planning to kill him at some point to put his son on the throne using his mother's legitimacy, then Varys and Illyrio intending to get rid of Drogo during the invasion job and marry Daenerys to their Aegon, in proper Targaryen fashion. Or maybe it's much simpler and the author woke up of some taco digestion induced comma with the brilliant twist of yet a better scenario and invented Aegon half way through, making it only roughly fit with what his characters had done in the first book. |
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 15, 2018 12:23:39 GMT
This is something very strange. No one in their right mind should expect Drogo's Dothraki to do what they had never done before. This is also what happens at first, Drogo telling Daenerys he doesn't need a chair. How did Varys and Illyrio exactly hope to make use of Drogo's resources? They had no control over it and no reason to think he would ever do what Viserys wanted. And if they wanted to get rid of both, surely there would have been safer ways. That "investment" of theirs made no sense. Nothing about the Dothraki makes sense to me. I think there has to be something about the plan that hasn't been revealed yet. Is there any info on minimum approximate time it would have taken to travel from Essos to Westeros with a huge army. I think without naval skills they stood very little chance. Even if they planned to make stealth landing on westeros it would had still been a poor plan because dothroraki were scared of sea water and I can't see them reaching safely on the other shore without losing many men.
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Post by Nightman on Oct 15, 2018 12:32:59 GMT
Nothing about the Dothraki makes sense to me. I think there has to be something about the plan that hasn't been revealed yet. When Varys and Illyrio speak in S1E05, they discuss the planned invasion as an urgent necessity, Illyrio responding that Drogo won't make a move before he has a son. Illyrio is telling Varys he has a concrete plan, implies an agreement with Drogo, as he did with Viserys. Surely he wouldn't be able to fool Varys about this and later developments keep their secret alliance working. I take it these two really intended Viserys to invade, which is very much a gamble based on a promise made by a Dothraki Khal. We can now speculate some intricate plot in which Viserys is sacrificed first, Drogo planning to kill him at some point to put his son on the throne using his mother's legitimacy, then Varys and Illyrio intending to get rid of Drogo during the invasion job and marry Daenerys to their Aegon, in proper Targaryen fashion. Or maybe it's much simpler and the author woke up of some taco digestion induced comma with the brilliant twist of yet a better scenario and invented Aegon half way through, making it only roughly fit with what his characters had done in the first book. It is possible that that was the original plan, but I thought Varys and Illyrio are smarter than that. The fact that the Dothraki even exist makes no sense, but whatevs, I am sure Ser George has something in mind to keep them from being a waste of time and horses. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 15, 2018 12:45:30 GMT
The fact that the Dothraki even exist makes no sense, but whatevs, I am sure Ser George has something in mind to keep them from being a waste of time and horses. Lizard food?  |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 18, 2018 2:09:31 GMT
The fact that the Dothraki even exist makes no sense, but whatevs, I am sure Ser George has something in mind to keep them from being a waste of time and horses. Lizard food? LOL the cartoons are funny , but i remember that episode when she found her dragon again , but is that what she did? did she actually fed her horse to drogon??i remember she did ride off with her horse and came back flying on her dragon with no horse i just thought she let the horse go.. |
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