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Post by goz on Oct 17, 2018 20:58:14 GMT
Just read an article in German feminist magazine EMMA, about the choice of abortion, and decided to bump this thread. The beginning of the article can be found here: www.emma.de/artikel/abtreibung-336025It's in German; it describes the difficulties doctors have to make the fact known that they perform abortions. Anti-choicers really are scum. Interesting fact: The laws in Germany prohibiting abortion are from the Nazi time. So in my opinion comparing anti-choicers to SS officers is accurate and appropriate. My goodness. You really are shameless aren’t you? You’re a no less deranged lefty than the “pro-choicer” in the video. It is far from shameless to point out the origin of Germany's anti-abortion laws lay with the Nazi's. It would rather be shameful NOT to. Just as the far Religious Right would like to take choice away from American women because they assume that paternalistically they know better than an individual women does about her reproductive rights.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 17, 2018 20:59:50 GMT
Just read an article in German feminist magazine EMMA, about the choice of abortion, and decided to bump this thread. The beginning of the article can be found here: www.emma.de/artikel/abtreibung-336025It's in German; it describes the difficulties doctors have to make the fact known that they perform abortions. Anti-choicers really are scum. Interesting fact: The laws in Germany prohibiting abortion are from the Nazi time. So in my opinion comparing anti-choicers to SS officers is accurate and appropriate.My goodness. You really are shameless aren’t you? You’re a no less deranged lefty than the “pro-choicer” in the video. Cody likely prefers the SS methods of birth control and eugenics--wait til the defective child is born, and then kill it in the name of 'humane' population culling. Once it's outside of the womb it's fair game, dont'cha know.
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 17, 2018 21:08:35 GMT
My goodness. You really are shameless aren’t you? You’re a no less deranged lefty than the “pro-choicer” in the video. Cody likely prefers the SS methods of birth control and eugenics--wait til the defective child is born, and then kill it in the name of 'humane' population culling. Once it's outside of the womb it's fair game, dont'cha know. Oh look it’s the liar who makes things up she goes along. Phludowin ridiculously equates those who are basically against the systematic killing of pre-born babies with people who put millions of innocent Jews and other minorities in gas chambers and ovens. Why am I not surprised that a certified moron like you agrees with him? The absolute state of the left.
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Post by goz on Oct 17, 2018 21:17:12 GMT
Cody likely prefers the SS methods of birth control and eugenics--wait til the defective child is born, and then kill it in the name of 'humane' population culling. Once it's outside of the womb it's fair game, dont'cha know. Oh look it’s the liar who makes things up she goes along. Phludowin ridiculously equates those who are basically against the systematic killing of pre-born babies with people who put millions of innocent Jews and other minorities in gas chambers and ovens. Why am I not surprised that a certified moron like you agrees with him? The absolute state of the left. Except that it is NOT systematic. It is totally conditional on certain conditions being met(for me that is as early as possible and not more than the 1st trimester) discretional by the mother as it is no-one's business butt hers, and often THE most difficult decision a woman has to make owing to so many complex and interactive factors.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 17, 2018 21:18:21 GMT
Cody likely prefers the SS methods of birth control and eugenics--wait til the defective child is born, and then kill it in the name of 'humane' population culling. Once it's outside of the womb it's fair game, dont'cha know. Oh look it’s the liar who makes things up she goes along. Phludowin ridiculously equates those who are basically against the systematic killing of pre-born babies with people who put millions of innocent Jews and other minorities in gas chambers and ovens. Why am I not surprised that a certified moron like you agrees with him? The absolute state of the left. Bugger off, Cody. You keep wandering over here thinking you're at Stormfront.org, and taking the wrong turn yet again. 'Millions of innocent Jews'. Get off it, Cody--a mouth-breather like yourself doesn't consider the Jews 'innocent' at all, as they stand forever condemned of the murder of your savior, no matter how much the Vatican now tries to whitewash its' stance on that. Speaking as a descendant of one of those Jews, please--keep your harebrained defense of us to yourself: we feel much safer without it.
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Post by phludowin on Oct 17, 2018 21:23:42 GMT
My goodness. You really are shameless aren’t you? You’re a no less deranged lefty than the “pro-choicer” in the video. And I'm sure you can back up and justify your opinion with rational arguments, and not just personal insults and ad hominems. Not.
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Post by phludowin on Oct 17, 2018 21:28:18 GMT
Oh look it’s the liar who makes things up she goes along. Said the poster who routinely makes up lies about other posters. I love the smell of irony in the evening.
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Post by goz on Oct 17, 2018 21:32:05 GMT
My goodness. You really are shameless aren’t you? You’re a no less deranged lefty than the “pro-choicer” in the video. And I'm sure you can back up and justify your opinion with rational arguments, and not just personal insults and ad hominems. Not. lol ***channelling Cody***
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Post by phludowin on Oct 17, 2018 21:43:43 GMT
And I'm sure you can back up and justify your opinion with rational arguments, and not just personal insults and ad hominems. Not. lol ***channelling Cody***Excellent!
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Post by thorshairspray on Oct 18, 2018 1:47:08 GMT
...similarly to my intemperate words to that stupid self deleting troll that annoyed me and for which I apologised to the Board afterwards. You are correct, and I apologize to you for calling you out, when I'm not better. But these anti-choicers sometimes make my blood boil. I consider them to be among the lowest scum on Earth; along with SS officers, child abusers and animal molesters. But nobody is above the law; not even me. So all I can do is hope for humanity to evolve, and one day relegate anti-choice to the toxic waste dump of harmful human opinions. Whilst I'm pro choice on the basis that it isn't any of my business, I find the comparison of people against abortion to the SS hyperbolic, if not insane.
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Post by goz on Oct 18, 2018 4:59:51 GMT
You are correct, and I apologize to you for calling you out, when I'm not better. But these anti-choicers sometimes make my blood boil. I consider them to be among the lowest scum on Earth; along with SS officers, child abusers and animal molesters. But nobody is above the law; not even me. So all I can do is hope for humanity to evolve, and one day relegate anti-choice to the toxic waste dump of harmful human opinions. Whilst I'm pro choice on the basis that it isn't any of my business, I find the comparison of people against abortion to the SS hyperbolic, if not insane. I think that Phe De is referring to the level of State control that a state has if choice is not available for women. I would further extrapolate that to the similar view that Cody and his ilk have about women's bodies and choices being State controlled in this case by the views of the religious right influence on Government. It is certainly not a direct comparison to the SS, however there are the same worrying themes running through what happened in Nazi Germany and what is possible in other places like the United States if the loony religious right gain too much power. There could not only be a non-Constitutional link between Church ad State and a restriction of women's human rights to decide what is best for themselves and their families. They totally lost this under the Nazi regime.
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Post by phludowin on Oct 18, 2018 5:53:12 GMT
Whilst I'm pro choice on the basis that it isn't any of my business, I find the comparison of people against abortion to the SS hyperbolic, if not insane. Maybe it is. But as we learned on another thread: There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. What anti-choicers, SS, and molesters definitely have in common is: They make/made the lives of other people miserable. And they have/had no business doing so.
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Post by thorshairspray on Oct 18, 2018 13:50:42 GMT
Whilst I'm pro choice on the basis that it isn't any of my business, I find the comparison of people against abortion to the SS hyperbolic, if not insane. Maybe it is. But as we learned on another thread: There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. What anti-choicers, SS, and molesters definitely have in common is: They make/made the lives of other people miserable. And they have/had no business doing so. I do not agree that there is no such thing as a wrong opinion. And one thing the SS and Pro Lifers definitely do not have in common is one wants to save lives.
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Post by goz on Oct 18, 2018 21:28:44 GMT
Maybe it is. But as we learned on another thread: There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. What anti-choicers, SS, and molesters definitely have in common is: They make/made the lives of other people miserable. And they have/had no business doing so. I do not agree that there is no such thing as a wrong opinion. And one thing the SS and Pro Lifers definitely do not have in common is one wants to save lives.No. I have to pull you up here about the SS. The SS ALSO were told to save lives. Hitler had decreed that Aryan women were NOT permitted to have abortion whereas 'others' were compelled to have one to purify the race and it was the SS job to enforce the decisions of the Reich, so in some cases they were to 'save lives'. They were the 'enforcers'.( IF you believe that an early pregnancy is a 'life' )
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Post by thorshairspray on Oct 18, 2018 21:47:58 GMT
I do not agree that there is no such thing as a wrong opinion. And one thing the SS and Pro Lifers definitely do not have in common is one wants to save lives.No. I have to pull you up here about the SS. The SS ALSO were told to save lives. Hitler had decreed that Aryan women were NOT permitted to have abortion whereas 'others' were compelled to have one to purify the race and it was the SS job to enforce the decisions of the Reich, so in some cases they were to 'save lives'. They were the 'enforcers'.( IF you believe that an early pregnancy is a 'life' ) Yes, they were great humanitarians, not known for the mass slaughter of jews, gays, the disabled, slavs and Romanys
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Post by goz on Oct 18, 2018 22:07:05 GMT
No. I have to pull you up here about the SS. The SS ALSO were told to save lives. Hitler had decreed that Aryan women were NOT permitted to have abortion whereas 'others' were compelled to have one to purify the race and it was the SS job to enforce the decisions of the Reich, so in some cases they were to 'save lives'. They were the 'enforcers'.( IF you believe that an early pregnancy is a 'life' ) Yes, they were great humanitarians, not known for the mass slaughter of jews, gays, the disabled, slavs and Romanys That is not what I either stated nor implied. You are getting ALMOST as good at cherry picking from arguments as Cody!
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Post by thorshairspray on Oct 19, 2018 2:56:31 GMT
Yes, they were great humanitarians, not known for the mass slaughter of jews, gays, the disabled, slavs and Romanys That is not what I either stated nor implied. You are getting ALMOST as good at cherry picking from arguments as Cody! I'm not the one cherry picking. One of us is taking one thing the SS did and saying that that is a valid basis to compare them to Pro Life advocates. IT isn't, anymore that Hitler liking dogs makes a compassion between him and animal rights activists is valid.
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Post by dividavi on Oct 19, 2018 4:47:37 GMT
That is not what I either stated nor implied. You are getting ALMOST as good at cherry picking from arguments as Cody! I'm not the one cherry picking. One of us is taking one thing the SS did and saying that that is a valid basis to compare them to Pro Life advocates. IT isn't, anymore that Hitler liking dogs makes a compassion between him and animal rights activists is valid. It's quite proper to compare pro-lifers to SS since both were opposed to abortion and willing to tolerate those who killed abortion providers. I remember when abortion doctor Dr. George Tiller got murdered in Wichita, Kansas at the Redeemer Lutheran Church. The Topix web site was full of commentary by pro-lifers who adopted their usual sanctimonious posturing. Most were happy that Kansas was almost out of clinics and some said they'd pray for Tiller's soul and that Christians shouldn't judge him; that was up to God. However, not a single pro-lifer said stuff like "Oh, how horrible. This murder is frightful." Nope, they were glad Tiller had been murdered. There was on IMDB a fucked up poster calling himself Knight In Black Leather. He talked about Objective Morality and other shit. I asked him if he thought it immoral to shoot abortion doctors and KIBL answered, "That's a very good question." By the way, from 1936 to 1938 SS man Josef Albert Meisinger was a leader in the Gestapo in charge of the Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion (Reichszentrale zur Bekämpfung der Homosexualität und Abtreibung) in the Gestapo Central Headquarters in the Sicherheitspolizei (SiPo). Sounds kind of like pro-life conservatives in America, no? It's also quite proper to compare pro-lifers to the Croatian Ustashe. The Ustashe men were far more pious than their SS counterparts and even more enthusiastic when it came to mass murder. Click on Hitler's Pope and learn how the Vatican never criticized the Ustashe. They were pro-life, unlike the Jews who performed most abortions in Croatia, or so they said.
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Post by thorshairspray on Oct 19, 2018 5:28:35 GMT
I'm not the one cherry picking. One of us is taking one thing the SS did and saying that that is a valid basis to compare them to Pro Life advocates. IT isn't, anymore that Hitler liking dogs makes a compassion between him and animal rights activists is valid. It's quite proper to compare pro-lifers to SS since both were opposed to abortion and willing to tolerate those who killed abortion providers. I remember when abortion doctor Dr. George Tiller got murdered in Wichita, Kansas at the Redeemer Lutheran Church. The Topix web site was full of commentary by pro-lifers who adopted their usual sanctimonious posturing. Most were happy that Kansas was almost out of clinics and some said they'd pray for Tiller's soul and that Christians shouldn't judge him; that was up to God. However, not a single pro-lifer said stuff like "Oh, how horrible. This murder is frightful." Nope, they were glad Tiller had been murdered. There was on IMDB a fucked up poster calling himself Knight In Black Leather. He talked about Objective Morality and other shit. I asked him if he thought it immoral to shoot abortion doctors and KIBL answered, "That's a very good question." By the way, from 1936 to 1938 SS man Josef Albert Meisinger was a leader in the Gestapo in charge of the Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion (Reichszentrale zur Bekämpfung der Homosexualität und Abtreibung) in the Gestapo Central Headquarters in the Sicherheitspolizei (SiPo). Sounds kind of like pro-life conservatives in America, no? It's also quite proper to compare pro-lifers to the Croatian Ustashe. The Ustashe men were far more pious than their SS counterparts and even more enthusiastic when it came to mass murder. Click on Hitler's Pope and learn how the Vatican never criticized the Ustashe. They were pro-life, unlike the Jews who performed most abortions in Croatia, or so they said. What an utterly, laughably ridiculous thing to say. Bu this logic, any group that has members who "tolerate" the murder of their opposition are comparable to the SS. So lets have a look and see who are comparable to the NAzis. Well, we have around 2,500,000,000 Christians. I'v seen that idiot Pasteur Anderson advocating for the deaths of gays and adulterers. We also have 1,500,000,000 Muslims. Plenty of Jihadists kicking about, thus Muslims are comparable to the SS Literally every military on the planet. Dunno, lets ask Ben Shapiro. He is an American conservative, he is against abortion and against gay marriage. I rather suspect he might draw the line at mass murder, particularly the genocide of Jews. The actual state of the left nowadays.
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