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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 21, 2018 7:11:14 GMT
I have to say I was largely disappointed with this. There was so little suspense and the whole thing went right down the road of Myers versus Laurie as though she was somehow his chief focus despite killing indiscriminately before this - seemingly without even the most vague pathology. Somewhere amongst all this, Judith Myers seems completely forgotten and the whole concept of Myers reliving her murder by seeking out, then strategically stalking victims that somehow represent her, are replaced with a Super-bowl-type showdown with Laurie that we are building towards even before he escapes. For me, this means throwing out the sister/brother angle was a waste of time because for all that, it was still all about Myers coming after Laurie.........only this time for reasons unknown. They might as well have left the sibling angle in because they still killed off the concept of him killing Judith over and over by targeting teenage girls of her type. This was the only insight we had into the character from the original story but it was enough to make him terrifying yet keep him unfathomable. If they had stuck to this and had Laurie make it her business to step in to try and thwart him (rather than be his star focus), that would have been consistent with the Myers character and been a believable extension of Laurie Strode. As it is, Strode and her descendants are again painted as the passion of Myers' bloodlust - something we've seen all before several times over. Laurie's doomsday pad had me gasping in disbelief that the story had so centred on her again being the object of Myers' psychotic desire........a motive far removed from his urges in the original. Judith gets merely an obligatory mention from the villainous and utterly pointless Dr character, who is synthetically injected into the plot to provide an absurd twist by himself turning homicidal - presumably out of obsession with Myers - only to end up the next victim himself mere moments later! It hardly seemed worth including the character and I thought was daft to present us with a character that has presumably spent years in his specialised profession........ only to wait around for Myers escape (an event that may never have occurred) and then act out some hitherto subdued homicidal urge of his own. This I thought was desperation on the part of the writers to give the movie an extra shot in the arm, perhaps to make up for substance they suspected was lacking. I also thought - given how many deaths there were at the crash scene and then the gas station - the low key police presence on the streets of Haddonfield for the longest stretch of the evening seemed fairly absurd. Only when yet more bodies turned up, did there seem to be any real kind of manhunt. Even HALLOWEEN II presented a more realistic law enforcement reaction around Haddonfield to the crimes that had been only then just discovered. I wished there had been more daytime scenes and patient buildup to the night terrors that lay in wait. There was little structured pacing here. This was HALLOWEEN for the Millennium. A brief set-up, then straight in with the brutality and barely 5 minutes without Myers onscreen in case audience attention spans begin to wane and people start checking their SnapChats. Myers' spent so long in the original film (often offscreen) observing people and dogging their steps before choosing his moments to strike. Think of him watching Annie from a few feet away on several occasions at the Wallace house. Or standing in a doorway watching Bob and Lynda - both downstairs and upstairs - before toying with them and luring them to their deaths. Here he just nonchalantly walks into houses straight off the cuff and kills without any pre-selection or stalking. The victims seemingly have no tie to his pathology around reliving Judith's murder - while at the same time also have no connection to his now-updated mission to target Laurie Strode and her kin. He spent a whole day in the original patiently observing and planning his movements around Haddonfield without strolling into peoples houses and slaughtering whoever was unlucky enough to live there. Maybe I'm too wrapped up in the original.......maybe I can't move with the times! But even dismissing Carpenter's film, for me this was a badly paced, generic slasher with little suspense, almost no scares and plot deviations that are often pointless and occasionally absurd. A lot of the kills are pointless and brutal, very much out of sync with how Myers operated previously and worst of all - were more reminiscent of some of what I saw in Rob Zombie's celluloid catastrophes. Then after all Laurie's convictions to "end this", she walks from a fiery inferno - without the certainty of his death - when she had him trapped in a basement where she could just fill him with holes from any of the plentiful firearms she's been stockpiling for 40 years.........I audibly groaned at this point. I really wish I had got more out of this and hope others manage to enjoy it but for me the film was light years short of the simple, yet powerfully effective concept that a low budget independent movie from 1978 presented to us..........and which I fell in love with on first viewing. I think I'm just getting old and grumpy!!! You're not old and grumpy. I'm a sh*thead millennial according to one of the three commenters on my YouTube review and I'm with you 100%. The only thing I didn't really go into was the Judth connection. Excellent point.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 21, 2018 7:14:24 GMT
6/10 for me oveall, but maybe lower since they retcon sequels, bad idea
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 21, 2018 17:38:32 GMT
I also found Curtis oddly sexy. Anyone else think this? Maybe not like her True Lies days, but she's still very attractive for her age and she has always embraced it, which I love about her!
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 22, 2018 5:35:09 GMT
Here's one scene I was curious about. I'm big on small details in films no matter how brief it is, so this is probably my favorite scene of the whole film. It was when Michael and the other patients are being loaded onto the bus and then we see Laurie shooting her guns, then she's waiting outside Smith Grove's watching the patients being loaded onto the bus. Great scene by the way. The music was just amazing, it was haunting and really captured the tragedy that occurred 40 years earlier as you're just watching Laurie crumble from the inside because the "evil" is out of its prison, more or less, and she knows the inevitable will happen. Just watching her crumble and scream in the end really sold me on the trauma that has haunted her for forty years and the fact she knows it will come back. But I was curious, she also had a gun with her and out and ready like she was going to use it, and just had me wondering why she was at Smith Grove's in the first place. Was she there in case Michael tried to make an escape while being loaded onto the bus, or did Laurie somehow plan on finding a way to just waltz in there and blow Michael's brains out while he's being loaded?
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Post by theshape25 on Oct 22, 2018 8:26:25 GMT
Here's one scene I was curious about. I'm big on small details in films no matter how brief it is, so this is probably my favorite scene of the whole film. It was when Michael and the other patients are being loaded onto the bus and then we see Laurie shooting her guns, then she's waiting outside Smith Grove's watching the patients being loaded onto the bus. Great scene by the way. The music was just amazing, it was haunting and really captured the tragedy that occurred 40 years earlier as you're just watching Laurie crumble from the inside because the "evil" is out of its prison, more or less, and she knows the inevitable will happen. Just watching her crumble and scream in the end really sold me on the trauma that has haunted her for forty years and the fact she knows it will come back. But I was curious, she also had a gun with her and out and ready like she was going to use it, and just had me wondering why she was at Smith Grove's in the first place. Was she there in case Michael tried to make an escape while being loaded onto the bus, or did Laurie somehow plan on finding a way to just waltz in there and blow Michael's brains out while he's being loaded? I figured she was there just to see him get on the bus and leave as some sort of closure. As far as her having the gun with her, I think the paranoia that she suffers from pretty much has her being armed all the time, but perhaps you're right and she went there with the intent of shooting Myers and she just couldn't bring herself to do it which caused her to break down like she did.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Oct 22, 2018 13:55:40 GMT
I also found Curtis oddly sexy. Anyone else think this? Not necessarily in this movie, but she's still got it.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Oct 22, 2018 14:17:54 GMT
In spite of a few flaws, I walked out of the theater buzzing with excitement about a Halloween film for the first time in... my entire adult life? I recall being satisfied with H20 at the time, but this was on a whole other level.
First and foremost, I appreciate the audio and visual strength of the film. Carpenter's score is spot on and used in all the right places. Even better, the completely new pieces he composed fit right in, giving the film its own feel without straying from the iconic soundscape of the original (I need to pick up this soundtrack as soon as possible). Similarly, Green paid homage but wasn't a slave to Carpenter's original. Likewise, there are some really nice visual touches here that show what can happen when you pass a franchise like this to somebody with actual vision. The long tracking shot of Michael staring in the window and then stalking the woman on the phone is probably my favorite shot in the whole franchise that wasn't handled by Carpenter himself. And then you have other little moments that add to the atmosphere and authenticity. The crashed bus lit up in blue and set against backdrop of the deep woods. The deflated jack-o-lantern coming back to life in the opening credits (with the correct font, no less). The excessively decorated but down-to-earth Haddonfield. It all truly felt like Halloween, something which a lot of the other movies failed at.
I was also taken by surprise at just how emotionally charged the final act was. Though the film ironically has the unfortunate fate of bearing the Miramax watermark, they tackle the #MeToo age in a way that feels fresh and vital and in no way pandering. Watching Laurie and then her daughter embrace their fates and take charge of their lives after so many years of pain felt seriously compelling to me, making that last shot of Michael staring at them through the fire that much more potent. I always liked Laurie's arc in H20, but this felt like that on steroids, but without going over the top. I really felt for the family unit and was rooting for them to destroy or at least escape The Shape.
A couple of quibbles I had were with some off the awkward pacing in the first half and a few unnecessary characters/story beats that only slowed the film down. Though they effectively set the story in motion, I'm not convinced we needed the podcasters... at all. They definitely stuck around for too long. Likewise for the Loomis surrogate who nearly derails the whole thing in the scene where he tries to "become" Myers. Just didn't work for me. Also, as a lifelong horror fan, I am certainly not against gore, but the level of bloodshed in this film took me out of the story more than a few times. The severed head fashioned into a jack-o-lantern? The head that squishes like a watermelon? Too excessive for a Halloween film not directed by Rob Zombie. I'm sure a lot of folks loved it, but I felt it just didn't quite gel with the story they were trying to tell.
Overall, I had a great time and felt thoroughly invested, which says a lot for the 11th film in the series. If nothing else, I feel completely comfortable saying it's by far and away the best sequel of them all.
8/10
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Post by Heretic the Musk Whisperer on Oct 22, 2018 21:47:41 GMT
In spite of a few flaws, I walked out of the theater buzzing with excitement about a Halloween film for the first time in... my entire adult life? I recall being satisfied with H20 at the time, but this was on a whole other level. First and foremost, I appreciate the audio and visual strength of the film. Carpenter's score is spot on and used in all the right places. Even better, the completely new pieces he composed fit right in, giving the film its own feel without straying from the iconic soundscape of the original (I need to pick up this soundtrack as soon as possible). Similarly, Green paid homage but wasn't a slave to Carpenter's original. Likewise, there are some really nice visual touches here that show what can happen when you pass a franchise like this to somebody with actual vision. The long tracking shot of Michael staring in the window and then stalking the woman on the phone is probably my favorite shot in the whole franchise that wasn't handled by Carpenter himself. And then you have other little moments that add to the atmosphere and authenticity. The crashed bus lit up in blue and set against backdrop of the deep woods. The deflated jack-o-lantern coming back to life in the opening credits (with the correct font, no less). The excessively decorated but down-to-earth Haddonfield. It all truly felt like Halloween, something which a lot of the other movies failed at. I was also taken by surprise at just how emotionally charged the final act was. Though the film ironically has the unfortunate fate of bearing the Miramax watermark, they tackle the #MeToo age in a way that feels fresh and vital and in no way pandering. Watching Laurie and then her daughter embrace their fates and take charge of their lives after so many years of pain felt seriously compelling to me, making that last shot of Michael staring at them through the fire that much more potent. I always liked Laurie's arc in H20, but this felt like that on steroids, but without going over the top. I really felt for the family unit and was rooting for them to destroy or at least escape The Shape. A couple of quibbles I had were with some off the awkward pacing in the first half and a few unnecessary characters/story beats that only slowed the film down. Though they effectively set the story in motion, I'm not convinced we needed the podcasters... at all. They definitely stuck around for too long. Likewise for the Loomis surrogate who nearly derails the whole thing in the scene where he tries to "become" Myers. Just didn't work for me. Also, as a lifelong horror fan, I am certainly not against gore, but the level of bloodshed in this film took me out of the story more than a few times. The severed head fashioned into a jack-o-lantern? The head that squishes like a watermelon? Too excessive for a Halloween film not directed by Rob Zombie. I'm sure a lot of folks loved it, but I felt it just didn't quite gel with the story they were trying to tell. Overall, I had a great time and felt thoroughly invested, which says a lot for the 11th film in the series. If nothing else, I feel completely comfortable saying it's by far and away the best sequel of them all. 8/10 Interesting take. I initially assumed that the projector was broken because there were so many shots out of focus. But, this wasn't the case. I was also deeply put off by the soundtrack which I found to be too electronic for a horror film.
I definitely disagree with the #MeToo being subtle. It was so in your face.
There's tons of scenes that go nowhere and make no sense. Why is there a dude in the bathroom checking the stalls? I dunno. I'll just sit here and when he gets to mine say that it's occupied.
Also, Michael as a character makes no sense. He just starts randomly killing people for no reason. He's not the stealthy methodological killer that he was in the original Halloween. Once again, they've made him a hug, lumbering brute who can't be stopped.
And what as up with Laurie's guns? Has she bought a fire arm in the last 40 years? Why are they revolvers and lever action rifles?
And for someone who spent 40 years preparing, she certainly is completely unprepared when the time comes. Okay, so there's like 8 locks on the door and a barricade....but she never thought of the fact that it has a huge window? And worse still, she stands right at it.
Okay, i've got security locks on every bedroom. I could lock him in. Nope. I'm going to go look for him in the room that inexplicably has mannequins that look exactly like Myers. She really half-assed the prep work if you ask me. I understand plot devices in horror films....but the central plot point was that Laurie had supposedly been prepping for this moment. This whole film made no sense.
Okay, so why is a pickup truck driving by at the end? How convenient. And Michael and Laurie have supernatural strength for no reason.
And we really, really didn't need that teenage romcom for the first 50 minutes. I wish I had walked out then. The decision not to show Myers' escape, and to show a school dance instead boggles my mind. Oh, there's an escaped serial killer from prison...where are the cops?....they are on a dirt road having a conversation about sandwiches.
The new Loomis is terrible. They even call him "the new Loomis" in the film because this films is completely devoid of any subtlety. Why they chose to make him a 2nd killer, I'll never know.
And let's not even get started about the fact a man was shot in the face with a rifle and acts like it's a mosquito bite.
So Laurie has been planning to kill him for four decades....and doesn't even make sure he's dead.
1/10
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 21:58:25 GMT
I loved it. 8/10. I hated the new psychiatrist. His storyline was the weakest part of the film for me. They should have just flashed back to Loomis from the original. I also hate they left it open ended by not showing the body. I hope they don't try a sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 21:59:45 GMT
In spite of a few flaws, I walked out of the theater buzzing with excitement about a Halloween film for the first time in... my entire adult life? I recall being satisfied with H20 at the time, but this was on a whole other level. First and foremost, I appreciate the audio and visual strength of the film. Carpenter's score is spot on and used in all the right places. Even better, the completely new pieces he composed fit right in, giving the film its own feel without straying from the iconic soundscape of the original (I need to pick up this soundtrack as soon as possible). Similarly, Green paid homage but wasn't a slave to Carpenter's original. Likewise, there are some really nice visual touches here that show what can happen when you pass a franchise like this to somebody with actual vision. The long tracking shot of Michael staring in the window and then stalking the woman on the phone is probably my favorite shot in the whole franchise that wasn't handled by Carpenter himself. And then you have other little moments that add to the atmosphere and authenticity. The crashed bus lit up in blue and set against backdrop of the deep woods. The deflated jack-o-lantern coming back to life in the opening credits (with the correct font, no less). The excessively decorated but down-to-earth Haddonfield. It all truly felt like Halloween, something which a lot of the other movies failed at. I was also taken by surprise at just how emotionally charged the final act was. Though the film ironically has the unfortunate fate of bearing the Miramax watermark, they tackle the #MeToo age in a way that feels fresh and vital and in no way pandering. Watching Laurie and then her daughter embrace their fates and take charge of their lives after so many years of pain felt seriously compelling to me, making that last shot of Michael staring at them through the fire that much more potent. I always liked Laurie's arc in H20, but this felt like that on steroids, but without going over the top. I really felt for the family unit and was rooting for them to destroy or at least escape The Shape. A couple of quibbles I had were with some off the awkward pacing in the first half and a few unnecessary characters/story beats that only slowed the film down. Though they effectively set the story in motion, I'm not convinced we needed the podcasters... at all. They definitely stuck around for too long. Likewise for the Loomis surrogate who nearly derails the whole thing in the scene where he tries to "become" Myers. Just didn't work for me. Also, as a lifelong horror fan, I am certainly not against gore, but the level of bloodshed in this film took me out of the story more than a few times. The severed head fashioned into a jack-o-lantern? The head that squishes like a watermelon? Too excessive for a Halloween film not directed by Rob Zombie. I'm sure a lot of folks loved it, but I felt it just didn't quite gel with the story they were trying to tell. Overall, I had a great time and felt thoroughly invested, which says a lot for the 11th film in the series. If nothing else, I feel completely comfortable saying it's by far and away the best sequel of them all. 8/10 Interesting take. I initially assumed that the projector was broken because there were so many shots out of focus. But, this wasn't the case. I was also deeply put off by the soundtrack which I found to be too electronic for a horror film.
I definitely disagree with the #MeToo being subtle. It was so in your face.
There's tons of scenes that go nowhere and make no sense. Why is there a dude in the bathroom checking the stalls? I dunno. I'll just sit here and when he gets to mine say that it's occupied.
Also, Michael as a character makes no sense. He just starts randomly killing people for no reason. He's not the stealthy methodological killer that he was in the original Halloween. Once again, they've made him a hug, lumbering brute who can't be stopped.
And what as up with Laurie's guns? Has she bought a fire arm in the last 40 years? Why are they revolvers and lever action rifles?
And for someone who spent 40 years preparing, she certainly is completely unprepared when the time comes. Okay, so there's like 8 locks on the door and a barricade....but she never thought of the fact that it has a huge window? And worse still, she stands right at it.
Okay, i've got security locks on every bedroom. I could lock him in. Nope. I'm going to go look for him in the room that inexplicably has mannequins that look exactly like Myers. She really half-assed the prep work if you ask me. I understand plot devices in horror films....but the central plot point was that Laurie had supposedly been prepping for this moment. This whole film made no sense.
Okay, so why is a pickup truck driving by at the end? How convenient. And Michael and Laurie have supernatural strength for no reason.
And we really, really didn't need that teenage romcom for the first 50 minutes. I wish I had walked out then. The decision not to show Myers' escape, and to show a school dance instead boggles my mind. Oh, there's an escaped serial killer from prison...where are the cops?....they are on a dirt road having a conversation about sandwiches.
The new Loomis is terrible. They even call him "the new Loomis" in the film because this films is completely devoid of any subtlety. Why they chose to make him a 2nd killer, I'll never know.
And let's not even get started about the fact a man was shot in the face with a rifle and acts like it's a mosquito bite.
So Laurie has been planning to kill him for four decades....and doesn't even make sure he's dead.
1/10
It wasn't a documentary. Don't be a fun-sucker.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Oct 22, 2018 22:36:47 GMT
In spite of a few flaws, I walked out of the theater buzzing with excitement about a Halloween film for the first time in... my entire adult life? I recall being satisfied with H20 at the time, but this was on a whole other level. First and foremost, I appreciate the audio and visual strength of the film. Carpenter's score is spot on and used in all the right places. Even better, the completely new pieces he composed fit right in, giving the film its own feel without straying from the iconic soundscape of the original (I need to pick up this soundtrack as soon as possible). Similarly, Green paid homage but wasn't a slave to Carpenter's original. Likewise, there are some really nice visual touches here that show what can happen when you pass a franchise like this to somebody with actual vision. The long tracking shot of Michael staring in the window and then stalking the woman on the phone is probably my favorite shot in the whole franchise that wasn't handled by Carpenter himself. And then you have other little moments that add to the atmosphere and authenticity. The crashed bus lit up in blue and set against backdrop of the deep woods. The deflated jack-o-lantern coming back to life in the opening credits (with the correct font, no less). The excessively decorated but down-to-earth Haddonfield. It all truly felt like Halloween, something which a lot of the other movies failed at. I was also taken by surprise at just how emotionally charged the final act was. Though the film ironically has the unfortunate fate of bearing the Miramax watermark, they tackle the #MeToo age in a way that feels fresh and vital and in no way pandering. Watching Laurie and then her daughter embrace their fates and take charge of their lives after so many years of pain felt seriously compelling to me, making that last shot of Michael staring at them through the fire that much more potent. I always liked Laurie's arc in H20, but this felt like that on steroids, but without going over the top. I really felt for the family unit and was rooting for them to destroy or at least escape The Shape. A couple of quibbles I had were with some off the awkward pacing in the first half and a few unnecessary characters/story beats that only slowed the film down. Though they effectively set the story in motion, I'm not convinced we needed the podcasters... at all. They definitely stuck around for too long. Likewise for the Loomis surrogate who nearly derails the whole thing in the scene where he tries to "become" Myers. Just didn't work for me. Also, as a lifelong horror fan, I am certainly not against gore, but the level of bloodshed in this film took me out of the story more than a few times. The severed head fashioned into a jack-o-lantern? The head that squishes like a watermelon? Too excessive for a Halloween film not directed by Rob Zombie. I'm sure a lot of folks loved it, but I felt it just didn't quite gel with the story they were trying to tell. Overall, I had a great time and felt thoroughly invested, which says a lot for the 11th film in the series. If nothing else, I feel completely comfortable saying it's by far and away the best sequel of them all. 8/10 Interesting take. I initially assumed that the projector was broken because there were so many shots out of focus. But, this wasn't the case. I was also deeply put off by the soundtrack which I found to be too electronic for a horror film.
I definitely disagree with the #MeToo being subtle. It was so in your face.
There's tons of scenes that go nowhere and make no sense. Why is there a dude in the bathroom checking the stalls? I dunno. I'll just sit here and when he gets to mine say that it's occupied.
Also, Michael as a character makes no sense. He just starts randomly killing people for no reason. He's not the stealthy methodological killer that he was in the original Halloween. Once again, they've made him a hug, lumbering brute who can't be stopped.
And what as up with Laurie's guns? Has she bought a fire arm in the last 40 years? Why are they revolvers and lever action rifles?
And for someone who spent 40 years preparing, she certainly is completely unprepared when the time comes. Okay, so there's like 8 locks on the door and a barricade....but she never thought of the fact that it has a huge window? And worse still, she stands right at it.
Okay, i've got security locks on every bedroom. I could lock him in. Nope. I'm going to go look for him in the room that inexplicably has mannequins that look exactly like Myers. She really half-assed the prep work if you ask me. I understand plot devices in horror films....but the central plot point was that Laurie had supposedly been prepping for this moment. This whole film made no sense.
Okay, so why is a pickup truck driving by at the end? How convenient. And Michael and Laurie have supernatural strength for no reason.
And we really, really didn't need that teenage romcom for the first 50 minutes. I wish I had walked out then. The decision not to show Myers' escape, and to show a school dance instead boggles my mind. Oh, there's an escaped serial killer from prison...where are the cops?....they are on a dirt road having a conversation about sandwiches.
The new Loomis is terrible. They even call him "the new Loomis" in the film because this films is completely devoid of any subtlety. Why they chose to make him a 2nd killer, I'll never know.
And let's not even get started about the fact a man was shot in the face with a rifle and acts like it's a mosquito bite.
So Laurie has been planning to kill him for four decades....and doesn't even make sure he's dead.
1/10
Ok.
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Post by northernlad on Oct 22, 2018 22:39:19 GMT
I loved it. 8/10. I hated the new psychiatrist. His storyline was the weakest part of the film for me. They should have just flashed back to Loomis from the original. I also hate they left it open ended by not showing the body. I hope they don't try a sequel. I hate to say it, but according to Box Office Mojo...the movie's production budget was 10 million dollars. The movie made 90 million in worldwide sales just this weekend. There will be a sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 23:40:23 GMT
I loved it. 8/10. I hated the new psychiatrist. His storyline was the weakest part of the film for me. They should have just flashed back to Loomis from the original. I also hate they left it open ended by not showing the body. I hope they don't try a sequel. I hate to say it, but according to Box Office Mojo...the movie's production budget was 10 million dollars. The movie made 90 million in worldwide sales just this weekend. There will be a sequel. Exactly.
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Post by gbone on Oct 23, 2018 2:23:37 GMT
I enjoyed it. The doctor was a bad character. Good music, good cinematography. Brutal kills. Laurie was bad ass. Glad it was rated R . It’s taboo to kill a kid in movies but glad they had the balls to do it. Unfortunately based on budget and box office there will be another one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 11:59:26 GMT
I enjoyed it. The doctor was a bad character. Good music, good cinematography. Brutal kills. Laurie was bad ass. Glad it was rated R . It’s taboo to kill a kid in movies but glad they had the balls to do it. Unfortunately based on budget and box office there will be another one. We're on the same page. I liked the ending for a stand-alone, but it was lame for a sequel, especially since they made it a point to say he's a human being and not supernatural.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 24, 2018 15:05:23 GMT
My mom and her friend wanted to see a movie as i went with them to one of my city's theaters as they went to see that hotel movie and i went to see this as i'm glad i didn't pay any money for this but she paid for the ticket.
I must say this is The Last Jedi of the franchise for me!
It's nothing but a half-assed sequel with poor writing, bad poorly written humor, poor scares, boring story and steals from Halloween 2 1981/4/H2O which are all better than this and almost not as bad as 5/Resurrection/Zombie's 2 and as lame as 6/Zombie's remake. Horrible movie! i put it on par with Zombie's 1 and 2, Resurrection and 5 being one of the worst halloween films! poor writing and all, this was a waste of money for me! i'm done, i'm fed up with this franchise, to me it ended with H2O and i don't need a fake Halloween 2 when i got the real one at home on blu-ray in my boxset as that's the real Halloween 2 to me from 1981.
Also ripping off H2O, 4, 1978 and 2, it's not homaging it's just stealing from the other films. This one is just a sloppy money grab with no soul/passion or likable characters, even Jamie Lee Curtis was no help as she was haggard and did this for a paycheck and for money. I think it's time we bury this franchise! no one asked for this sequel. Stop beating this dead horse already! let it rest in peace as Michael earned his retirement. To have horror get out of the shitter in the mainsteam is to take a page from the independent studios and independent horror films and foreign horror films with stuff like It Follows, Housebound, The Babadook, Tragedy Girls etc. stop remaking great horror films that don't need to be remade like Poltergeist, stop making sequels to worn out horror franchises, stop prequels etc.
independent horror films are out from the shitter known as mainstream when the mainstream should get out of the shitter, look for independent or foreign and say "screw the mainstream" sometimes as sometimes there is surprises like A Quiet Place or IT etc. and when i'm talking mainstream i mean shit like Poltergeist remake which thankfully bombed and Insidious 4 which didn't do well and dunno why Ouiji a hit, i'm glad people went to see It Follows and some people support that. Enough too much PG-13 stuff like Ouiji but A Quiet Place was excellent and IT was an R rated hit which was a fresh change of pace for a blockbuster horror film not PG-13 despite it's another adaptation of a book. Remake little known films like Blood Beach or Lifeforce rather than classics like Poltergeist which thankfully bombed but Suspiria looks nice and should be a good remake that is trying something different than be a xerox copy like Poltergeist. They need risks again, take it again mainstream just like the independents are! Paranormal Activity wasn't a risk, stop with the ghost movies, stop with the found footage movies and do something different in the mainstream. Take a page from It Follows. Stop being lazy mainstream horror, get off your fat ass and put down the potato chips or cupcakes shoving them in your mouth like Steven Seagall down and shoving them in your mouth and do something else, start trying to do something unique. Just try something different than another remake of a great movie like Poltergeist, sequel to an older franchise, found footage and all that. I don't get the hype and praise Halloween 2018 is getting! A Quiet Place was a much better 2018 horror film than this cashgrab sequel as it was something different, it took risks and became a box-office hit as i welcome it and i welcome the upcoming sequel as this is a new fresh franchise i want to embrace.
i just don't want to see these horror icons (Jason, Freddy, Chucky, Ghostface, Michael, Leatherface, Jigsaw) over and over again on the big screen and your just gonna get diminishing returns just like the Universal monsters being ran into the ground in the 30s/40s/50s as they had huge characters and big hits on their hands then pumped out sequel after another (the only great sequel is Bride of Frankenstein) and the bottom completely fell out with diminishing box-office returns and before these characters became jokes even with Abbot and Costello movies then Universal knew when to quit. If Halloween 2018 becomes a hit then studios will be like "audiences want more Halloween, they want more Candyman, more Freddy, Jason Voorhees etc.", but for Candyman, one Candyman movie was enough as the first was excellent but the sequels were cash-ins and no more Elm Street films, Robert IS Freddy as Jackie proved it was a failure to recast Freddy for you can't do it, Robert IS the character and always was as even Englund said so. Can't we have new horror icons already? let the worn out old tired icons like Freddy, Michael, Jason, Leatherface, Jigsaw, Ghostface, Candyman, Chucky and Pinhead die and rest in peace already, don't keep digging up them from their graves every 5 or 10 or 15 years then propping their corpses up on the big screen in Weekend at Bernies style. Just come up with with your own new horror icon and new horror franchise already! i'm not super big in Insidious and the Conjuring spin-offs but at least it's something different, well not quite different, but not the same old horror franchise some of us seen or the same horror icons for they are trying to create their own. I know they haven't been the best but at least they are giving a damn and giving it an effort, that's just how i feel about it. Just try try again mainstream horror! making new horror icons would actually work because there are no ideas to bring in for most horror icons. New horror icons might get the hate, but it may take time before the newer ones would gain praise. I'll say this though. Even though using the same stuff is unnecessary. Just like in the last decade we got new horror icons in the mainstream like the Creeper, Captain Splauding and Jigsaw while Sam from Trick R Treat becomes a cult horror icon with Leslie Vernon when Trick and Behind the Mask were sent to the DVD direct to video market rather than to all mainstream theaters which should had happened even Hatchet was shown in midnight theaters than all theaters as there's Victor Crawley whom is a cult horror icon.
Now outside the mainstream we got Wolfcop, Tucker and Dale etc. should had been released in all theaters. I'd say end these horror franchises (Chucky/Halloween/Elm Street/Friday The 13th/Saw/Scream/Hellraiser/Texas Chainsaw Massacre) and bury them, let them rest in peace from film and let them live on through merchandise, comics, video games, toys, appreal, streams of the old movies on amazon/hulu/crackle/Netflix whatever even re-issues of the films on blu-ray and that's fair game. Can we have new original cinematic horror icons/new franchises already? try to come up with new horror icons/franchises and try try again mainstream and let the older franchises rest in peace in favor of new franchises/new icons. I saw Hell Fest which is something different in mainstream horror and a comeback for slasher films, we send the message to studios we want fresh new horror icons and new franchises as that movie has potential to make one. Yet there is some like me (one who is like a couple of friends on youtube being them some other horror fans who are tired of these same old worn out horror franchises being hurt by these new sequels/remakes hurting the franchises legacy and staining their name to become jokes). Just don't make anymore. That's my advice. The more you make, the longer you keep this franchise sucking the life out of other horror projects and potential franchises. This is like when Universal completely ran their Monsters franchise into the ground, just make new ones already and new icons. Being a fan of these horror franchises/older horror icons is like having a beloved pet you had memories with and grew up with, but sadly the time has come to put it to sleep. Or it's like having a friend terminally ill on life support. You know it's hard to pull the plug but it's for the best.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 24, 2018 21:20:49 GMT
I thought it was just alright, B-. When it was first announced & esp retconning all the other sequels away, I was looking forward the minimalist nuances of Halloween 1978. Alas, it was not. There was very little left to the imagination, & felt quite showy.
The way I see the franchise is now there are 3 available Halloween universes for enjoyment: - Halloween 1978, on its own, singularity. - Halloween sequels as we knew them, progressing the Myers arc into showy 80's horror clichés. - Halloween 2018 showing what may have happened to Laurie & Michael over the 40yrs. Laurie victimized into submission in 1978 falls into dwindling family for the rest of her life. Michael still not over not finishing things off in 1978?
For me, it's the former. Halloween will always be a standalone near masterpiece, no sequels needed or wanted. It is after all my #42 all time.
I appreciate that they wrote Laurie as not having overcome 1978, threading all through her family life & social approach. I thought her daughter was a moron, not believable whatsoever as Laurie's daughter. I thought the kids were dumb. Michael I was hoping would be as expressionless as ever. Alas, they made him into some festering time bomb of sorts, which essentially steals the aura of him as The Shape away. Now he's just another shock thrill killer.
I guess I wish Laurie weren't so outwardly security crazy. She was a very bright teenager & turned into a pretty easily triggered adult - even after 40yrs. I do realize she lost her 2 best friends that night, to the man who was about to kill her, & on the radar again now. I just wish she were more savvy & less crazy. I wish Michael had vanished into the woods & kept to the shadows & bushes of Haddonfield. Instead he's strollin' around because mask on Halloween, & there is zero sense of dread or mystery.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 25, 2018 16:30:05 GMT
I read one review that said it'd be difficult (which this film didn't take into account of) for slashers to work in today's world because of social media and snapchat and Facebook and that after the first body drops, almost immediately, it would be all over the news. The review called this film timeless because of the lack of awareness through something like social media when Michael is just strolling house-to-house. I think the reviewer has a point. I remember minutes after the Boston Marathon bombing, it was all over Facebook and what was happening. Even something like Michael escaping the prison bus would have been all over the news and the police would have immediately released his name knowing his history and would have alerted Haddonfield.
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Post by James on Oct 27, 2018 0:24:41 GMT
I had a good time. Sure there were a bit too many offscreen kills, some of the story doesn’t make sense considering how Michael is an ordinary person yet can still withstand all that crap, and the ending did feel a bit rushed, but I was pleased enough. There were a lot of twists I didn’t see coming, the kills that are seen are pretty strong, and Curtis was excellent.
I even liked Michael Myers himself; he’s like a cross between Nick Castle (who plays him in this one) and the Rob Zombie version - brutal and carnivorous, but still mysterious and creepy. The mask is great, too.
I give it an 8/10. Seems a bit generous for a rating that high for all its flaws and nitpicks, but I’ve been waiting for this to come. Maybe I’ll rewatch it to see if I have a true justifiable opinion.
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Post by agentsparky on Oct 27, 2018 21:42:15 GMT
Saw it opening night. My expectations were a bit too high due to Carpenter's involvement and I hoping that this movie would feel more like a Carpenter film despite him not directing like Halloween II and Halloween III:Season of the witch felt like a Carpenter film. However, his score was great and yes, I think it's the best sequel thus far in the franchise. As for any upcoming sequels, I hope they wait a few years to do the next one and not rush into things and repeat the same mistakes that H5 did. As for things I would have done differently, if the movie wanted to have a sheriff that's obsessed with killing Michael Myers, they should have brought back Sheriff Bracket. Also the grave yard scene should have been Laurie visiting Annie or Lynda or both. Also they should have left the off screen bus crash to our imagination instead revealing that the crazy new Doctor guy caused the accident that released Michael As for the climax, having Laurie be the stalker and the Shape be the prey sorta loses the suspense a little but it was still an interesting concept. Overall I enjoyed it and might check it out again sometime next week.
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