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Post by theshape25 on Nov 2, 2018 23:59:55 GMT
I think the reason I liked him going door to door and offing people left and right is because it reminded me of the conversation that Brackett and Loomis had where Brackett said, "Haddonfield is families, houses lined up in rows. So what you're telling me is that they're lined up for a slaughterhouse." That's probably why it really didn't bother me that he wasn't stalking one victim like he did Laurie in the original. As far as the showdown with Laurie, I really don't think she was all that important to him. I think that whole thing was more important to her as if she was exercising her demons. I do think one of the problems with the movie is that Michael's doctor thought Myers' motivation was to seek out Laurie, even though he hadn't done so, and drove him out to her house. I think it would have been better off if she persued him a la Loomis along with the policeman character throughout Haddonfield as he continued his spree and their showdown took place in the streets of Haddonfield rather than her compound. Brackett of course is also shown to be the sceptic in the original that isn't entirely convinced of Loomis' concerns. That he should be right about Myers is a little of a stretch. It's just such a jarring shift that Myers' homicidal activity was so polarized around a small group over a long stretch of hours in the original......dogging their footsteps before school, after, tailing them in a car, patiently stalking them for an eternity outside the Doyle and Wallace houses - and all the while not harming anyone else, while in this movie he's like a loose cannon on the streets whacking people left and right and brazenly marching into houses at will. You have a fair point though about the Myers/Laurie showdown probably being something that's more in her head than his. The problem for me though is that it also seemed to be in the movie's head. The story itself seemed to very forcibly push us along to that climactic confrontation that somehow felt terribly familiar and woefully telegraphed. I don't think that's what Brackett actually thought. If I remember correctly he was asking Loomis if that's what he was getting at when he giving Brackett his "fancy talk." With the movie grossing over 200 million I wonder what direction the inevitable sequel will take. I saw a tweet that Jamie Lee Curtis was open to returning if the same director returned as well.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 3, 2018 7:28:14 GMT
I think the reason I liked him going door to door and offing people left and right is because it reminded me of the conversation that Brackett and Loomis had where Brackett said, "Haddonfield is families, houses lined up in rows. So what you're telling me is that they're lined up for a slaughterhouse." That's probably why it really didn't bother me that he wasn't stalking one victim like he did Laurie in the original. As far as the showdown with Laurie, I really don't think she was all that important to him. I think that whole thing was more important to her as if she was exercising her demons. I do think one of the problems with the movie is that Michael's doctor thought Myers' motivation was to seek out Laurie, even though he hadn't done so, and drove him out to her house. I think it would have been better off if she persued him a la Loomis along with the policeman character throughout Haddonfield as he continued his spree and their showdown took place in the streets of Haddonfield rather than her compound. Also, he went door to door and killed victims, but it seemed he was in search of his weapon. It may not have been totally at random, he may have had the goal in mind of obtaining the knife. That might beg the question of why he'd go after that babysitter though. In other cases it was the people who he's taking something from (i.e. the knife, the jumpsuit, the car), or those who were in his way. The asshole boyfriend's asshole friend was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the babysitter girl and her boyfriend were sought out. But not from earlier on. He didn't fixate on them like he did in the original. He just went in, hid for a while, offed them both, and then moved on. It was a strong sequence, but it didn't really fit to me. I also thought Laurie was going to be pursuing him more through the town. The one moment in the trailer where she shoots the mirror through the window suggested, I thought, that she would be going after him as opposed to most of that action taking place at her house. Another thought I had when I saw the trailer, which I really wish they'd used, was that Laurie would have bought and been living in the Meyers' house knowing that if he ever got out he would 'come home.' It would have given a good reason for him to pursue her, and would make sense with her plan. Unfortunately, the beginning of the movie confirmed that was not the case since you saw that she lived out in the middle of nowhere very early on. In general, I found it odd that there was no mention of the Meyers' house at all, as it was such a focal point of the original film, and it could be read, essentially, as the reason he went after Laurie in the first movie. That seemed like a missed opportunity. That would have been a great idea and I think would have made the twist of the house being a trap even better. It wouldn't rely on the Doctor getting the two to confront one another. It could have also been a good book-ends for the series. Michael Myer's evil started in that house when he 6, and (if they weren't doing a sequel) it could have ended in that house.
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Post by northernlad on Nov 3, 2018 14:18:57 GMT
Loved it. Was against the whole idea of this, but they were right to make it. Some chilling moments throughout. If Laurie is no longer Michael's sister, why does Michael care about killing her so much? Just because she was the one who got away?That doctor had to have been cast based on his Pleasenceness, his voice at times sounded a lot like ole Doc Loomis. Also, if someone dropped bloody human teeth over the top of my bathroom stall, I would be FREAKED OUT...which was obviously Michael's intent. I never picked up that Michael really gave a damn about Laurie. He only wanted to kill. I never thought once he escaped the bus that he was looking for her. Now she on the other hand....she clearly had her eye on him and was determined that their paths would cross....which in a sense put her Michael's path again...and anyone in his path...he tries to kill.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 5, 2018 15:33:01 GMT
I think the reason I liked him going door to door and offing people left and right is because it reminded me of the conversation that Brackett and Loomis had where Brackett said, "Haddonfield is families, houses lined up in rows. So what you're telling me is that they're lined up for a slaughterhouse." That's probably why it really didn't bother me that he wasn't stalking one victim like he did Laurie in the original. As far as the showdown with Laurie, I really don't think she was all that important to him. I think that whole thing was more important to her as if she was exercising her demons. I do think one of the problems with the movie is that Michael's doctor thought Myers' motivation was to seek out Laurie, even though he hadn't done so, and drove him out to her house. I think it would have been better off if she persued him a la Loomis along with the policeman character throughout Haddonfield as he continued his spree and their showdown took place in the streets of Haddonfield rather than her compound. Brackett of course is also shown to be the sceptic in the original that isn't entirely convinced of Loomis' concerns. That he should be right about Myers is a little of a stretch. It's just such a jarring shift that Myers' homicidal activity was so polarized around a small group over a long stretch of hours in the original......dogging their footsteps before school, after, tailing them in a car, patiently stalking them for an eternity outside the Doyle and Wallace houses - and all the while not harming anyone else, while in this movie he's like a loose cannon on the streets whacking people left and right and brazenly marching into houses at will. You have a fair point though about the Myers/Laurie showdown probably being something that's more in her head than his. The problem for me though is that it also seemed to be in the movie's head. The story itself seemed to very forcibly push us along to that climactic confrontation that somehow felt terribly familiar and woefully telegraphed. She's the main character. What were you expecting the final confrontation to be? Michael fighting some guy he met on the street that has no lines and wasn't in the movie up until the final two minutes? Judith's ex-boyfriend, because you know Judith? Come on, man. Of course his final confrontation is going to be with the main character.
And no, he wasn't back in Haddonfield "stalking teenage girls". He killed an old woman, a middle-aged woman, a guy and his kid, a couple of cops, and at least three teenagers; only one of which was a girl. So no, his victims were not all perfect surrogates for Judith.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 5, 2018 15:42:35 GMT
Loved it. Was against the whole idea of this, but they were right to make it. Some chilling moments throughout. If Laurie is no longer Michael's sister, why does Michael care about killing her so much? Just because she was the one who got away?That doctor had to have been cast based on his Pleasenceness, his voice at times sounded a lot like ole Doc Loomis. Also, if someone dropped bloody human teeth over the top of my bathroom stall, I would be FREAKED OUT...which was obviously Michael's intent. I never picked up that Michael really gave a damn about Laurie. He only wanted to kill. I never thought once he escaped the bus that he was looking for her. Now she on the other hand....she clearly had her eye on him and was determined that their paths would cross....which in a sense put her Michael's path again...and anyone in his path...he tries to kill. He specifically went back to Haddonfield. If he only wanted to kill, he could do that anywhere.He went back there for a reason.
I know that part two and H2O ignore this movie, but a precedent has been set in the past that he doesn't want her to get away. Even if those movies don't count in this interpretation, you don't think some of that carried over?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 5, 2018 16:08:36 GMT
I never picked up that Michael really gave a damn about Laurie. He only wanted to kill. I never thought once he escaped the bus that he was looking for her. Now she on the other hand....she clearly had her eye on him and was determined that their paths would cross....which in a sense put her Michael's path again...and anyone in his path...he tries to kill. He specifically went back to Haddonfield. If he only wanted to kill, he could do that anywhere.He went back there for a reason.
I know that part two and H2O ignore this movie, but a precedent has been set in the past that he doesn't want her to get away. Even if those movies don't count in this interpretation, you don't think some of that carried over?
Why does Haddonfield have to equate to Laurie? He went back to Haddonfield in the original without knowing who Laurie was. The sister angle was not a factor when the first was being made. He went back to Haddonfield because he was returning home. He focused on Laurie because when he was home, she came to the house. That was enough. That's why, among other things, I think not mentioning or using the Myer's house as a plot point or even mentioning it in this one was a mistake and missed opportunity.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 5, 2018 17:32:17 GMT
He specifically went back to Haddonfield. If he only wanted to kill, he could do that anywhere.He went back there for a reason.
I know that part two and H2O ignore this movie, but a precedent has been set in the past that he doesn't want her to get away. Even if those movies don't count in this interpretation, you don't think some of that carried over?
Why does Haddonfield have to equate to Laurie? He went back to Haddonfield in the original without knowing who Laurie was. The sister angle was not a factor when the first was being made. He went back to Haddonfield because he was returning home. He focused on Laurie because when he was home, she came to the house. That was enough.That's why, among other things, I think not mentioning or using the Myer's house as a plot point or even mentioning it in this one was a mistake and missed opportunity. Because that's where she is – or at least the last place he knew that she was. And he's been focusing on her ever since because she's alive. She got away from him. That's never happened to him before. That's enough. What happens after he kills the doctor and takes the deputy's truck? Does he go to his childhood home? No, he goes to Laurie's house. I mean, the writers even even tell you what is driving them when the kooky Dr. mentions him being an apex predator, having to finish off Laurie, etc. That is them literally telling the audience what his motivation in this movie is.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 5, 2018 17:51:01 GMT
Because that's where she is – or at least the last place he knew that she was. And he's been focusing on her ever since because she's alive. She got away from him. That's never happened to him before. That's enough. What happens after he kills the doctor and takes the deputy's truck? Does he go to his childhood home? No, he goes to Laurie's house. I mean, the writers even even tell you what is driving them when the kooky Dr. mentions him being an apex predator, having to finish off Laurie, etc. That is them literally telling the audience what his motivation in this movie is. He doesn't know she's there when he starts heading there. And everything else you mentioned begins after she has already attacked her in the same night. Whether the characters say it or not, the first time you see that he's going after her is after he is aware she is hunting him. None of that happens until she initiates it. There is nothing else to suggest that he wouldn't have gone to Haddonfield if she had moved in the intervening 40 years.
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Post by theshape25 on Nov 5, 2018 19:02:46 GMT
Why does Haddonfield have to equate to Laurie? He went back to Haddonfield in the original without knowing who Laurie was. The sister angle was not a factor when the first was being made. He went back to Haddonfield because he was returning home. He focused on Laurie because when he was home, she came to the house. That was enough.That's why, among other things, I think not mentioning or using the Myer's house as a plot point or even mentioning it in this one was a mistake and missed opportunity. Because that's where she is – or at least the last place he knew that she was. And he's been focusing on her ever since because she's alive. She got away from him. That's never happened to him before. That's enough. What happens after he kills the doctor and takes the deputy's truck? Does he go to his childhood home? No, he goes to Laurie's house. I mean, the writers even even tell you what is driving them when the kooky Dr. mentions him being an apex predator, having to finish off Laurie, etc. That is them literally telling the audience what his motivation in this movie is.That's merely the Dr. saying what he thinks Myers' motive is, and the only reason Myers showed up at her house is because the Dr drove him out there. He killed the Dr and went to the house. Had that never happened there is nothing to indicate that Myers would have went there.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 5, 2018 19:31:58 GMT
Because that's where she is – or at least the last place he knew that she was. And he's been focusing on her ever since because she's alive. She got away from him. That's never happened to him before. That's enough. What happens after he kills the doctor and takes the deputy's truck? Does he go to his childhood home? No, he goes to Laurie's house. I mean, the writers even even tell you what is driving them when the kooky Dr. mentions him being an apex predator, having to finish off Laurie, etc. That is them literally telling the audience what his motivation in this movie is. That's merely the Dr. saying what he thinks Myers' motive is, and the only reason Myers showed up at her house is because the Dr drove him out there. He killed the Dr and went to the house. Had that never happened Myers would have never went there. He would have resumed his killing spree where he was originally at. That was the writers literally beating us over the head with an explanation for that part of the plot.
I don't remember the scene verbatim, but I don't think the doctor dropped him off at the front door. I'm pretty sure Michael chose to go that way instead of going back in the town; where there are significantly more potential victims.Just like he chose to go back to Haddonfield. It's not like he started roaming in whatever town/County the bus crashed in. He made a conscious decision to go back to Haddonfield.
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Post by simest on Nov 5, 2018 19:48:54 GMT
Brackett of course is also shown to be the sceptic in the original that isn't entirely convinced of Loomis' concerns. That he should be right about Myers is a little of a stretch. It's just such a jarring shift that Myers' homicidal activity was so polarized around a small group over a long stretch of hours in the original......dogging their footsteps before school, after, tailing them in a car, patiently stalking them for an eternity outside the Doyle and Wallace houses - and all the while not harming anyone else, while in this movie he's like a loose cannon on the streets whacking people left and right and brazenly marching into houses at will. You have a fair point though about the Myers/Laurie showdown probably being something that's more in her head than his. The problem for me though is that it also seemed to be in the movie's head. The story itself seemed to very forcibly push us along to that climactic confrontation that somehow felt terribly familiar and woefully telegraphed. She's the main character. What were you expecting the final confrontation to be? Michael fighting some guy he met on the street that has no lines and wasn't in the movie up until the final two minutes? Judith's ex-boyfriend, because you know Judith? Come on, man. Of course his final confrontation is going to be with the main character.
And no, he wasn't back in Haddonfield "stalking teenage girls". He killed an old woman, a middle-aged woman, a guy and his kid, a couple of cops, and at least three teenagers; only one of which was a girl. So no, his victims were not all perfect surrogates for Judith.
The final confrontation could have been Laurie simply step in and somehow thwart him killing anymore victims. An intervention based on her sole instincts. Something like Loomis did in the original. It was subtle and effective. The confrontation we got was the moment you knew this movie was heading toward from 10 minutes in. And it was executed in a very predictable, over the top and thoroughly formulaic manner. They might as well have staged it in a stadium with executive suites. It seemed so planned and telegraphed and forced out of the rear end of a movie that seemed constipated up to that point. We've also got crossed wires here. In the original movie - to which my point referred - Myers is indeed back stalking teenage girls that somehow resemble Judith. I think you've misinterpreted this point as relating to the new movie. My point is that this focus he had in the original movie - seemingly his whole purpose in returning home.......no longer exists in this one and instead he has a far less intriguing and sequel-influenced destiny in going head to head with Laurie either at his own desire, hers or both. In the meantime he's killing men, women and not above child killing also. The character no longer resembles that seen in the story to which this film claims to directly connect. Is it not odd that in the first movie, this character singled out a small group and bided his time all day to stalk them in a very subtle fashion before systematically choosing the right moment to act out his psychosis on them, complete with Judith's tombstone to consummate his single-minded intent? No one else was in his firing line once he had found the right subjects. A teenage girl and her teenage girlfriends. That was creepy, intriguing and gave us a dark vaccum through which to ponder Michael. This movie just gives us a thug-like brute seemingly with a score to settle who's not fussy or fixated on any particular kind of victim. Ultimately, I'm saying this movie - however bullish about ignoring the sequels - falls into the same trap they all did by overlooking the simple yet wonderfully eerie and effective concept that was presented in the very story this one seeks to extend.
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Post by theshape25 on Nov 5, 2018 19:57:24 GMT
That's merely the Dr. saying what he thinks Myers' motive is, and the only reason Myers showed up at her house is because the Dr drove him out there. He killed the Dr and went to the house. Had that never happened Myers would have never went there. He would have resumed his killing spree where he was originally at. That was the writers literally beating us over the head with an explanation for that part of the plot.
I don't remember the scene verbatim, but I don't think the doctor dropped him off at the front door. I'm pretty sure Michael chose to go that way instead of going back in the town; where there are significantly more potential victims.Just like he chose to go back to Haddonfield. It's not like he started roaming in whatever town/County the bus crashed in. He made a conscious decision to go back to Haddonfield.
He chose to go back to Haddonfield because that's his home. Someone already mentioned this before, but this is what he did in the original. He went home, Laurie had the misfortune of catching his eye and the events of that night unfolded. This movie is no different. He escaped and went back home. No, the Dr. didn't drop him off at her doorstep, but they were right down the street. If I'm not mistaken the two cops that were out there and saw the police car that the Dr was driving were parked at the end of Laurie's drive. So he was right there. He had no idea she was there or that it was even her house. He saw the house and decided to resume his killing there. As far as the Dr is concerned him thinking Myers needs to confront Laurie is merely speculation. How would he know this for sure? According to him Myers hadn't spoken a word in 40 years. Not to mention the 15 years prior to 1978. Nothing Myers did once returning to Haddonfield gave the illusion he was gunning for Laurie. He never pursued her after she shot him outside. He left the area and found her grandaughter and her friend. If he was after Laurie and knew where she lived wouldn't it make more sense to just head out there from the start? On the other hand Laurie was gunning for him. Her story involved exorcising the demons she carried since his initial attack in 1978 and trying to gain some closure. Myers, on the other hand, just wanted to return home and begin his killing spree again.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 5, 2018 21:45:24 GMT
I just read the script. The podcaster guy asks Michael at the beginning if he chose Laurie Strode because he reminds him of his sister, so that's another point against Trumpal Recall above. I also don't like the idea of Michael being fixated on her because she "got away". THAT is giving him too much motive.
Someone said the Myers house should have been mentioned, and I agree, and it is in the script. It was taken down and turned into a community garden by Will Patton after years of vandalism. The idea of Laurie buying the house to stage a confrontation is awesome.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 5, 2018 23:02:41 GMT
I just read the script. The podcaster guy asks Michael at the beginning if he chose Laurie Strode because he reminds him of his sister, so that's another point against Trumpal Recall above. I also don't like the idea of Michael being fixated on her because she "got away". THAT is giving him too much motive. Someone said the Myers house should have been mentioned, and I agree, and it is in the script. It was taken down and turned into a community garden by Will Patton after years of vandalism. The idea of Laurie buying the house to stage a confrontation is awesome. Where did you read the script?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 5, 2018 23:23:27 GMT
I just read the script. The podcaster guy asks Michael at the beginning if he chose Laurie Strode because he reminds him of his sister, so that's another point against Trumpal Recall above. I also don't like the idea of Michael being fixated on her because she "got away". THAT is giving him too much motive. Someone said the Myers house should have been mentioned, and I agree, and it is in the script. It was taken down and turned into a community garden by Will Patton after years of vandalism. The idea of Laurie buying the house to stage a confrontation is awesome. Where did you read the script? It was posted on Reddit.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 6, 2018 1:24:26 GMT
Where did you read the script? It was posted on Reddit. You have a link to it?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 6, 2018 1:51:53 GMT
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 6, 2018 16:21:25 GMT
That was the writers literally beating us over the head with an explanation for that part of the plot.
I don't remember the scene verbatim, but I don't think the doctor dropped him off at the front door. I'm pretty sure Michael chose to go that way instead of going back in the town; where there are significantly more potential victims.Just like he chose to go back to Haddonfield. It's not like he started roaming in whatever town/County the bus crashed in. He made a conscious decision to go back to Haddonfield.
He chose to go back to Haddonfield because that's his home. Someone already mentioned this before, but this is what he did in the original. He went home, Laurie had the misfortune of catching his eye and the events of that night unfolded. This movie is no different. He escaped and went back home. No, the Dr. didn't drop him off at her doorstep, but they were right down the street. If I'm not mistaken the two cops that were out there and saw the police car that the Dr was driving were parked at the end of Laurie's drive. So he was right there. He had no idea she was there or that it was even her house. He saw the house and decided to resume his killing there. As far as the Dr is concerned him thinking Myers needs to confront Laurie is merely speculation. How would he know this for sure? According to him Myers hadn't spoken a word in 40 years. Not to mention the 15 years prior to 1978. Nothing Myers did once returning to Haddonfield gave the illusion he was gunning for Laurie. He never pursued her after she shot him outside. He left the area and found her grandaughter and her friend. If he was after Laurie and knew where she lived wouldn't it make more sense to just head out there from the start? On the other hand Laurie was gunning for him. Her story involved exorcising the demons she carried since his initial attack in 1978 and trying to gain some closure. Myers, on the other hand, just wanted to return home and begin his killing spree again. Except it is (different). At no point during the movie does he make even a little bit of effort to go to his childhood home. If you're talking about Haddonfield, yeah I can agree – he wants to be there. But all this talk about his house and Judith that a few other people have brought up, no there's nothing there. Like at all. To be fair, both she and the sheriff were actively shooting at him.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 6, 2018 16:32:42 GMT
Does Michael eat? While I am very glad that he remains a mystery, I am very intrigued about his time in the institution and people's reaction to that.
For example, how can he survive getting shot six times and nobody talk about that? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that there wasn't some stupid explanation – like a cult being responsible for his power and actions – I was a little disappointed that no one brought up the fact that he seemingly doesn't seem human. It's pretty much impossible that someone would survive what he survived at the end of the first movie, yet it happened. I'm sure in the 40 years since that incident somebody somewhere talked about it, I would just like to see it addressed on screen.
And what does he do on a day-to-day basis? Does anyone else get the feeling that he does exactly what he does in the yard – which is nothing? I can't picture him eating or reading. I can't picture him outside of a catatonic state. Again, I don't want an outright answer. Stuff like this is often best left up to our imaginations, but I would've liked to have seen people discuss it. I mean, I'm not even a character in the movie in the movie and I'm constantly pondering about the last 40 years of his life or the moments of his life that take place on screen.
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Post by theshape25 on Nov 6, 2018 16:41:18 GMT
He chose to go back to Haddonfield because that's his home. Someone already mentioned this before, but this is what he did in the original. He went home, Laurie had the misfortune of catching his eye and the events of that night unfolded. This movie is no different. He escaped and went back home. No, the Dr. didn't drop him off at her doorstep, but they were right down the street. If I'm not mistaken the two cops that were out there and saw the police car that the Dr was driving were parked at the end of Laurie's drive. So he was right there. He had no idea she was there or that it was even her house. He saw the house and decided to resume his killing there. As far as the Dr is concerned him thinking Myers needs to confront Laurie is merely speculation. How would he know this for sure? According to him Myers hadn't spoken a word in 40 years. Not to mention the 15 years prior to 1978. Nothing Myers did once returning to Haddonfield gave the illusion he was gunning for Laurie. He never pursued her after she shot him outside. He left the area and found her grandaughter and her friend. If he was after Laurie and knew where she lived wouldn't it make more sense to just head out there from the start? On the other hand Laurie was gunning for him. Her story involved exorcising the demons she carried since his initial attack in 1978 and trying to gain some closure. Myers, on the other hand, just wanted to return home and begin his killing spree again. Except it is (different). At no point during the movie does he make even a little bit of effort to go to his childhood home. If you're talking about Haddonfield, yeah I can agree – he wants to be there. But all this talk about his house and Judith that a few other people have brought up, no there's nothing there. Like at all. To be fair, both she and the sheriff were actively shooting at him. I agree that they dropped the ball by not having him return to the Myers house (someone above provided a link to the original script that mentions the house being razed). Why they chose to omit that is a mystery to me.
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