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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 18:38:14 GMT
Innit?
We already know Disney openly tried to rig the Oscars for BP. So it invalidates the flick from serious consideration, and nobody here should be allowed to cite it as an achievement for the MCU even if it wins something.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 27, 2018 19:02:46 GMT
Innit? We already know Disney openly tried to rig the Oscars for BP. So it invalidates the flick from serious consideration, and nobody here should be allowed to cite it as an achievement for the MCU even if it wins something. Putting aside the fact that others opinions shouldn't be an achievement, the Oscars is nothing but a Popularity Contest to begin with. I think the backlash of Most Popular Oscar, was the Hollywood elite seeing it put to plainly to everyone to see. The Oscars stopped being about merit when the very first Studio Campaign happened. It turned into a power struggle popularity contest, hidden in the cloak of rewarding movies and movie makers achievement. A Popular Oscar was to open a truth, the elite had to fight for the pretend/faux honor of the awards. They can't let it be known so openly that the only thing the movie makers when you boil it down are whores begging for some semblance of credibility. If somehow Black Panther still wins an Oscar after the Most Popular Oscar debacle then it would be more impressive. It still is worthless. An Oscar doesn't make a film better or worse, but still would be more impressive "achievement" if the debacle didn't happen. It would mean that the elite had their little circle jerk exposed for what it is, that a studio tried to game the system in their eyes and they still vote for it. And seeing how the voting is anonymous the elite could rebuke BP wholeheartedly and the public would never know if it lost by a vote or received 0 votes. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 19:04:36 GMT
Innit? We already know Disney openly tried to rig the Oscars for BP. So it invalidates the flick from serious consideration, and nobody here should be allowed to cite it as an achievement for the MCU even if it wins something. Putting aside the fact that others opinions shouldn't be an achievement, the Oscars is nothing but a Popularity Contest to begin with. I think the backlash of Most Popular Oscar, was the Hollywood elite seeing it put to plainly to everyone to see. The Oscars stopped being about merit when the very first Studio Campaign happened. It turned into a power struggle popularity contest, hidden in the cloak of rewarding movies and movie makers achievement. A Popular Oscar was to open a truth, the elite had to fight for the pretend/faux honor of the awards. They can't let it be known so openly that the only thing the movie makers when you boil it down are whores begging for some semblance of credibility. If somehow Black Panther still wins an Oscar after the Most Popular Oscar debacle then it would be more impressive. It still is worthless. An Oscar doesn't make a film better or worse, but still would be more impressive "achievement" if the debacle didn't happen. It would mean that the elite had their little circle jerk exposed for what it is, that a studio tried to game the system in their eyes and they still vote for it. And seeing how the voting is anonymous the elite could rebuke BP wholeheartedly and the public would never know if it lost by a vote or received 0 votes. Exactly. BP is trash and deserves no recognition, especially not fake recognition from an exceptionally bogus Oscar. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 27, 2018 19:09:08 GMT
Putting aside the fact that others opinions shouldn't be an achievement, the Oscars is nothing but a Popularity Contest to begin with. I think the backlash of Most Popular Oscar, was the Hollywood elite seeing it put to plainly to everyone to see. The Oscars stopped being about merit when the very first Studio Campaign happened. It turned into a power struggle popularity contest, hidden in the cloak of rewarding movies and movie makers achievement. A Popular Oscar was to open a truth, the elite had to fight for the pretend/faux honor of the awards. They can't let it be known so openly that the only thing the movie makers when you boil it down are whores begging for some semblance of credibility. If somehow Black Panther still wins an Oscar after the Most Popular Oscar debacle then it would be more impressive. It still is worthless. An Oscar doesn't make a film better or worse, but still would be more impressive "achievement" if the debacle didn't happen. It would mean that the elite had their little circle jerk exposed for what it is, that a studio tried to game the system in their eyes and they still vote for it. And seeing how the voting is anonymous the elite could rebuke BP wholeheartedly and the public would never know if it lost by a vote or received 0 votes. Exactly. BP is trash and deserves no recognition, especially not fake recognition from an exceptionally bogus Oscar. Trash is in the eye of the beholder. I posit every Oscar is trash and has been for a long time. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 19:12:14 GMT
Exactly. BP is trash and deserves no recognition, especially not fake recognition from an exceptionally bogus Oscar. Trash is in the eye of the beholder. I posit every Oscar is trash and has been for a long time. Great point that, while the Oscars have always been trash, they'll be EXTRA-superfluous in a qualitatively inferior way if BP ever wins. I applaud you for recognizing the distinction -- that the MCU is such popcorn trash that even the farce that is the Oscars would be manifestly, nakedly rigged if anything MCU ever "won." |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 27, 2018 19:19:14 GMT
Trash is in the eye of the beholder. I posit every Oscar is trash and has been for a long time. Great point that, while the Oscars have always been trash, they'll be EXTRA-superfluous in a qualitatively inferior way if BP ever wins. I applaud you for recognizing the distinction -- that the MCU is such popcorn trash that even the farce that is the Oscars would be manifestly, nakedly rigged if anything MCU ever "won." I kind of hate the Oscars so much I hope the MCU never wins. A win would be a tarnish to MCU not the other way around. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 27, 2018 19:23:12 GMT
If you have to beg, campaign, hustle, and cajole for the approval of your peers that says more about you than the idiots giving the approval after being bought.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 19:27:33 GMT
If you have to beg, campaign, hustle, and cajole for the approval of your peers that says more about you than the idiots giving the approval after being bought. Pretty much sums up every Disney RT score. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 27, 2018 19:33:27 GMT
If you have to beg, campaign, hustle, and cajole for the approval of your peers that says more about you than the idiots giving the approval after being bought. Pretty much sums up every Disney RT score. Another thing I never understood why anybody would care about Critical Approval of Movie as a consumer. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 19:45:31 GMT
Pretty much sums up every Disney RT score. Another thing I never understood why anybody would care about Critical Approval of Movie as a consumer. Fuckin' A! I can't believe it took off and even Became a Thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 21:18:01 GMT
Exactly. BP is trash and deserves no recognition, especially not fake recognition from an exceptionally bogus Oscar. Trash is in the eye of the beholder. I posit every Oscar is trash and has been for a long time. A hell of a good lot of them are. Movies are my life outside of work but the Oscars have been hanging on by a thread since I don't even remember. I'm 33 so I'll just say the 90's. Any further back and I wouldn't know for sure from my own observations. Even when movies/efforts I do like win, it still feels like the popular kids are recognizing the weird kid in the corner they wouldn't talk to during the rest of the year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 21:20:48 GMT
Innit? We already know Disney openly tried to rig the Oscars for BP. So it invalidates the flick from serious consideration, and nobody here should be allowed to cite it as an achievement for the MCU even if it wins something. I definitely agree with that. Good job. 
In this case it's less an award and more a statue version of a smiley-faced sticker teachers put on 2nd grade math tests.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 21:23:20 GMT
Innit? We already know Disney openly tried to rig the Oscars for BP. So it invalidates the flick from serious consideration, and nobody here should be allowed to cite it as an achievement for the MCU even if it wins something. I definitely agree with that. Good job.
In this case it's less an award and more a statue version of a smiley-faced sticker teachers put on 2nd grade math tests.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 27, 2018 21:51:51 GMT
Trash is in the eye of the beholder. I posit every Oscar is trash and has been for a long time. A hell of a good lot of them are. Movies are my life outside of work but the Oscars have been hanging on by a thread since I don't even remember. I'm 33 so I'll just say the 90's. Any further back and I wouldn't know for sure from my own observations. Even when movies/efforts I do like win, it still feels like the popular kids are recognizing the weird kid in the corner they wouldn't talk to during the rest of the year. I'm 41 and can go back a little further and it was a business as far back as I can remember. Studios would campaign for nominations and awards. My Uncle who is a movie nut too, swears he remembers a time when it was more pure. Now, I tend to be a little skeptical of this. Not that he believes that, but of his view might be clouded with nostalgia. I think even when campaigning wasn't a thing, I believe the movers and shakers were so tight they really didn't have to campaign. I could be wrong on that. Maybe in the 50's-70's it was a purer system. |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 27, 2018 23:13:23 GMT
Let’s be clear here though. This is still about being butthurt over the whole Best Picture campaign specifically. Are people really going hurl a fit over Black Panther winning best Costume Design? Unless summers8 thinks it’s aesthetic is too ethnic to compete  . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 18:56:26 GMT
Maybe. If you're ashamed of Oscars.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 30, 2018 17:43:22 GMT
Maybe. If you're ashamed of Oscars.  |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 22, 2019 13:45:07 GMT
Called it!!!1
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 22, 2019 14:04:09 GMT
Technically any big budget extravaganza that’s been nominated since 2009 is invalid. Because they expanded the field to 10 due to the backlash from TDK not getting nominated. Those extra 5 spots were basically supposed to be the “Popular Film” category.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 22, 2019 14:29:20 GMT
Technically any big budget extravaganza that’s been nominated since 2009 is invalid. Because they expanded the field to 10 due to the backlash from TDK not getting nominated. Those extra 5 spots were basically supposed to be the “Popular Film” category. Good point. But I would argue BP goes beyond that after Disney attempted to openly rig the awards for it this year. |
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