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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 14:08:28 GMT
So, I discovered the show Schitt's Creek on Netflix and I love it. It's a "fish out of water" show about a multimillionaire family who lost all of their money and up in some podunk one-horse hick nowhere. It's very funny, and I am very invested in the relationship between the gay son David and his boyfriend. As I was watching the show, I realized none of their story line had to do with dealing with some asshat being homophobic. They meet their families, go on dates, and have normal relationship drama like every other couple. There aren't gay jokes, even light-hearted ones. They aren't a gay couple, they're just a couple. It made it easy to get invested because they are never portrayed as being different or strange to anyone. What's interesting is that I ran across this, and it explained why they wrote it this way. I was amused that they impacted me with their story line exactly as intended. www.vulture.com/2018/11/dan-levy-explains-why-schitts-creek-has-no-homophobia.htmlToasted Cheese Toasted Cheese gameboy @deblovesbeccy What say you guys? Should this be the way gay couples are portrayed On TV?
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Post by deembastille on Nov 19, 2018 17:16:35 GMT
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Nov 19, 2018 19:45:22 GMT
Canadians, getting schitt done, with none of that usual razzmatazz.
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Post by northernlad on Nov 19, 2018 22:13:03 GMT
I haven’t watched this show yet. Will definitely be checking it out now thanks to your post here. Homosexuality has come a long way in mainstream media. Gay characters used to be only the be presented as a joke in television shows. Not necessarily that they were portrayed badly but they weren’t portrayed as real people. I can’t wait to check this show out now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 23:20:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 23:41:17 GMT
I haven’t watched this show yet. Will definitely be checking it out now thanks to your post here. Homosexuality has come a long way in mainstream media. Gay characters used to be only the be presented as a joke in television shows. Not necessarily that they were portrayed badly but they weren’t portrayed as real people. I can’t wait to check this show out now It's very clever. Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hats always have great chemistry on screen. The David Character is actually pansexual. He hooks up with a chick early on in the show, but another thing they do well is showing how sexuality is a spectrum, and he then goes into relationships with men rather seamlessly without fanfare. But all of that is an aside, because the story line about these snooty millionaires ending up in nowhere is just pure writing gold.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 20, 2018 2:08:58 GMT
Why did I get a notification that I was tagged when I was obviously not tagged? I think I tagged you by accident. Sorry about that. No, it's cool. It's just that the notification said I was tagged, but my name wasn't mentioned in your original post. Not your wrongdoing, a glitch on the site.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 4:38:58 GMT
I haven't seen this show and it sounds like it may be an attempt to portray gay men as real people. However, every gay character I've seen on tv sitcoms in the past ten years has been an effeminate stereotype. Those guys on Will & Grace were flamers and yet I had to puke every time that silly show was lauded as if it was a landmark for gay people. I saw a short part of that show Modern Family recently. Again, the media claims that Modern Family is helping to mainstream gay people. I call bullshit. Again, another pair of stereotypical mincing effeminate fags. You people will never learn. Yes, there are gay people like that. But that's the only image that's ever portrayed in media, the flamboyant prissy queen. The character of David on the show is somewhat flamboyant in a metrosexual way, but the guys he ends up dating are not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 22:18:03 GMT
I never watch any tv series where being gay is the story.
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Post by 5hole on Nov 20, 2018 22:44:58 GMT
Homo says what
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 4:39:17 GMT
But we shouldn't be mocking or condescending either, if we don't follow the campy or flamboyant gay guy persona. Douchy straight guys can and will mock or belittle gay guys because of their own phobias and ignorance. If you enjoy the camaraderie fine, but as long as you are not pretending to be straight around them, or think that because you don't wear your gayness on your pants leg, it makes you feel something superior over them.
Save the air of superiority you have for the dense straight fools, both male and female. I have heard this from both genders to my face and they are just jealous as heck, otherwise why would they mention it? Gay males do tend to dress better. We have design sense, not all of us, but many of us. Often the straight male sees those things as effeminate. When I'm in a room full of straight people no one thinks I'm gay unless they know me already. But in a room full of gay guys I'm like one of those guys on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". They're not annoyingly effeminate. Just stylish. I don't know how else to explain it. Lol. You should for sure check the show out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 5:46:33 GMT
Thanks for letting me know about this MarilynluvsTigger. Like Toasted Cheese I haven't seen or heard about this show either but I will check it out sometime when we get Netflix and it is good to hear about more positive portrayals of homosexual couples in TV shows. You and Toasted Cheese bring up some good points about the way LGBT characters have been poorly portrayed in the past which is something a lot of homophobes were always denying on the old IMDB Boards and TV shows have a lot of influence over the way people are portrayed which is why not just representation but 'good' representation in general is important. I don't know if you heard of 'Everything Sucks' but that was another show that had a homosexual relationship at the front between Kate and Emaline that was praised for being very realistic and I loved that and it sadly only has one season but it was a great show and is also worth a watch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:03:54 GMT
I never watch any tv series where being gay is the story. What about movies? I suppose you won't be seeing Bohemian Rhapsody then? Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:12:33 GMT
What about movies? I suppose you won't be seeing Bohemian Rhapsody then? Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
That's the point. The story line isn't about these two guys being gay. It's about them living their lives. The fact they're gay is portrayed as irrelevant. It's quite refreshing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:18:31 GMT
Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
That's the point. The story line isn't about these two guys being gay. It's about them living their lives. The fact they're gay is portrayed as irrelevant. It's quite refreshing. Ok. I still have no interest in seeing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 22:47:53 GMT
Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
As opposed to movies or tv shows about being straight being old hat? If that is the story, then what is the difference? I have zero interest at this point in any film featuring gay characters because that is played out. I do not care.
There are too many good films I have not yet seen to waste on something I have no desire to see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 23:08:49 GMT
I have zero interest at this point in any film featuring gay characters because that is played out. I do not care.
There are too many good films I have not yet seen to waste on something I have no desire to see.
Due to straights and society making out a big song and dance about homosexuality throughout the ages, it can become about holding a mirror up to faces of ignorant bigots who don't like looking at their own reflection staring right back at them. I prefer tv and film for entertainment. They can try and shame me but not on my time. Or with my money.
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Post by THawk on Nov 22, 2018 1:25:01 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark.
I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive.
PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 3:50:14 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. I'm in agreement with this and often times the story lines surrounding those characters are meant to be preachy. It's like the only reason they even put a gay character in sometimes it seems. They need to just let sexuality be one aspect of the character and not that character's entire identity.
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Post by THawk on Nov 22, 2018 13:09:07 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. There are negative and positive portrayals of characters from all aspects of life. Do you object to homosexuality being portrayed as something positive and if you do, is this because of your own prejudices? I do not object, but there most certainly are not both "negative and positive" portrayals of homosexual characters on TV. It is almost always positive, at the very worst simply neutral. There is a definite fear and refusal to go with a negative portrayal, because of all the accusations they would get afterwords.
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