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Post by Nightman on Dec 17, 2018 5:29:25 GMT
I wonder if he likes it. I'm not sure he likes Sansa very much either. LOLOLOL thats so funny..lol youre right i dont think he likes sansa that much dont think tv show writers liked her character that much , i mean they wrote in a rape storyline for her which was un-necessary just for ratings and i think GRMM has written similar story for her in winds of winter he already said winds of winter will have a very controversial sansa chapter -i believe to be that. Sansa's controversial Wow chapter was already released. It's the one where she is at the Gates of the Moon and flirting with Harry the Douche. I forgot what was supposed to be controversial about it, but Ran insisted that was it.
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Post by Seto on Dec 17, 2018 10:01:35 GMT
Sansa's controversial Wow chapter was already released. It's the one where she is at the Gates of the Moon and flirting with Harry the Douche. I forgot what was supposed to be controversial about it, but Ran insisted that was it. Ran??
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Post by Nightman on Dec 17, 2018 10:23:13 GMT
Sansa's controversial Wow chapter was already released. It's the one where she is at the Gates of the Moon and flirting with Harry the Douche. I forgot what was supposed to be controversial about it, but Ran insisted that was it. Ran?? The guy who runs Westeros.org and helped write TWOIAF. Apparently, it was his opinion, not GRRM's, that that chapter would be controversial.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 17, 2018 13:13:44 GMT
Here's the Alayne chapter in question. It has disappeared from GRRM's web site, which probably indicates it will be reworked.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 17, 2018 19:50:40 GMT
Here's the Alayne chapter in question. It has disappeared from GRRM's web site, which probably indicates it will be reworked. thank you for posting it leo i thought it was going to be something bad happening to sansa... but if he re-works it who knows? little sweet robins and sansa/alyanea relationship in this chapter is much closer than it was on the show and sansa/alyane mentioned as a bastard more than once another experience she is going through to connect her with jon snow.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 18, 2018 4:54:36 GMT
Here's the Alayne chapter in question. It has disappeared from GRRM's web site, which probably indicates it will be reworked. thank you for posting it leo i thought it was going to be something bad happening to sansa... but if he re-works it who knows? little sweet robins and sansa/alyanea relationship in this chapter is much closer than it was on the show and sansa/alyane mentioned as a bastard more than once another experience she is going through to connect her with jon snow. The books are incredibly more detailed and some of these minor characters can grow into important ones any time. Now you can understand why it takes ages to write them. And yes, Sansa being made to feel as a bastard by "playing" one is an obvious bridge to an evolution of the way she sees Jon. An adult writer would have made her befriend a bastard, but GRRM must go for the ham-fisted variant.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 19, 2018 4:38:45 GMT
I don't know what these podcasts are worth. I might try and listen to them later (long drive ahead):
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 19, 2018 14:28:17 GMT
thank you for posting it leo i thought it was going to be something bad happening to sansa... but if he re-works it who knows? little sweet robins and sansa/alyanea relationship in this chapter is much closer than it was on the show and sansa/alyane mentioned as a bastard more than once another experience she is going through to connect her with jon snow. The books are incredibly more detailed and some of these minor characters can grow into important ones any time. Now you can understand why it takes ages to write them. And yes, Sansa being made to feel as a bastard by "playing" one is an obvious bridge to an evolution of the way she sees Jon. An adult writer would have made her befriend a bastard, but GRRM must go for the ham-fisted variant. YES!! exactly their friendship would have made ore sense in my eyes than the arya /jon ..
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 15, 2023 4:16:01 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books??? so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this . Well, it's been 4 years since the show ended... Motivated by House of the Dragon, I just finished the second half of this book, detailing the Dance of Dragons. I enjoyed it. The "history book" style wasn't an issue for me. Will probably backtrack and do the first half now.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 17, 2023 16:36:09 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books??? so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this . Well, it's been 4 years since the show ended... Motivated by House of the Dragon, I just finished the second half of this book, detailing the Dance of Dragons. I enjoyed it. The "history book" style wasn't an issue for me. Will probably backtrack and do the first half now. so how close is the show is the book ?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 24, 2023 6:51:57 GMT
Well, it's been 4 years since the show ended... Motivated by House of the Dragon, I just finished the second half of this book, detailing the Dance of Dragons. I enjoyed it. The "history book" style wasn't an issue for me. Will probably backtrack and do the first half now. so how close is the show is the book ? Fairly close. The book is told from three different historical perspectives, so the show usually goes with one of the three. The biggest difference has been with the character of Alicent. In the book she isn't a childhood friend of Rhaenyra, wasn't pimped out by her father to Viserys, and is a part of the coup for the throne from the start. The show has gone to great lengths to humanize her.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 26, 2023 19:27:45 GMT
so how close is the show is the book ? Fairly close. The book is told from three different historical perspectives, so the show usually goes with one of the three. The biggest difference has been with the character of Alicent. In the book she isn't a childhood friend of Rhaenyra, wasn't pimped out by her father to Viserys, and is a part of the coup for the throne from the start. The show has gone to great lengths to humanize her. Oh i see , so in the books she is older and knowingly goes after the king . On reddit fans are kinda split about Alicent greens vs blacks
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 27, 2023 10:32:04 GMT
Fairly close. The book is told from three different historical perspectives, so the show usually goes with one of the three. The biggest difference has been with the character of Alicent. In the book she isn't a childhood friend of Rhaenyra, wasn't pimped out by her father to Viserys, and is a part of the coup for the throne from the start. The show has gone to great lengths to humanize her. Oh i see , so in the books she is older and knowingly goes after the king . On reddit fans are kinda split about Alicent greens vs blacks The show makes everything about men forcing women into doing things so it can sell to the woke crowd of brainless teens. That's how Daemon will take the blame for most of the bad stuff Rhaenyra does in the books.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 5, 2023 0:23:45 GMT
Oh i see , so in the books she is older and knowingly goes after the king . On reddit fans are kinda split about Alicent greens vs blacks The show makes everything about men forcing women into doing things so it can sell to the woke crowd of brainless teens. That's how Daemon will take the blame for most of the bad stuff Rhaenyra does in the books. Daemon has his faults but Rhaenyra was not blameless, she knew what she was doing . Her father blamed him for their relationship but Rhaenyra wanted him too .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 5, 2023 5:05:18 GMT
The show makes everything about men forcing women into doing things so it can sell to the woke crowd of brainless teens. That's how Daemon will take the blame for most of the bad stuff Rhaenyra does in the books. Daemon has his faults but Rhaenyra was not blameless, she knew what she was doing . Her father blamed him for their relationship but Rhaenyra wanted him too . Rhaenyra's faults are presented as legitimate needs by the so-called "liberal" leftist crowd. "It's all about her freeing herself from the bad bad patriarchy and doing what she wants". Daemon, on the other hand is shown as the embodiment of "male" hubris and violence so he can be made the reason things go bad, not the woman. This is written by the same woke scum that ruins everything else in US productions.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 10, 2023 21:57:51 GMT
Daemon has his faults but Rhaenyra was not blameless, she knew what she was doing . Her father blamed him for their relationship but Rhaenyra wanted him too . Rhaenyra's faults are presented as legitimate needs by the so-called "liberal" leftist crowd. "It's all about her freeing herself from the bad bad patriarchy and doing what she wants". Daemon, on the other hand is shown as the embodiment of "male" hubris and violence so he can be made the reason things go bad, not the woman. This is written by the same woke scum that ruins everything else in US productions. LOL so true The thing is Rhaenyras father was not horrible like other targaryens , like daneyrys father the mad king was or her insane brother Viserys was. I think he was really good to his daughter , and wanted the best for her .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 11, 2023 6:09:11 GMT
Rhaenyra's faults are presented as legitimate needs by the so-called "liberal" leftist crowd. "It's all about her freeing herself from the bad bad patriarchy and doing what she wants". Daemon, on the other hand is shown as the embodiment of "male" hubris and violence so he can be made the reason things go bad, not the woman. This is written by the same woke scum that ruins everything else in US productions. LOL so true The thing is Rhaenyras father was not horrible like other targaryens , like daneyrys father the mad king was or her insane brother Viserys was. I think he was really good to his daughter , and wanted the best for her . Another clear example of this is Alicent's idiotic "misunderstanding" of Viserys' last words in the 8th episode. Watch the scene carefully and you will realise she doesn't misunderstand him at the end. She understands he's not talking to her and leaves, calling him "my king" as a statement of pained detachment. This gets turned around in the next episode by a different writer who cares nothing about logic but puts feminist junk everywhere possible. Suddenly, Alicent is sincere, not complicit in the plot: the woman is never at fault. It's all Otto and the "patriarchy". But when the girl-boss shatters the floor with her thick head and kills people to stare down the royal family, she's "good" for not killing a mother. Those the beast trampled in the process don't count. The whole show is Written For Idiots ©
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 11, 2023 7:17:16 GMT
Fairly close. The book is told from three different historical perspectives, so the show usually goes with one of the three. The biggest difference has been with the character of Alicent. In the book she isn't a childhood friend of Rhaenyra, wasn't pimped out by her father to Viserys, and is a part of the coup for the throne from the start. The show has gone to great lengths to humanize her. Oh i see , so in the books she is older and knowingly goes after the king . On reddit fans are kinda split about Alicent greens vs blacks Alicent's misunderstanding of Viserys' last words is a show invention, not from the book. The comical situation of her finding out the rest of the Council had already plotted everything without her is not "a clarification of unreliable history". It is just character whitewashing. In Fire & Blood, three years separate the resolution of the succession of Driftmark by Viserys from his death. There is no happy family party, no reconciliation of Alicent and Rhaenyra in spite of the boys antagonising each other, and Larys Strong is not a creepy wanker.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 11, 2023 16:58:28 GMT
LOL so true The thing is Rhaenyras father was not horrible like other targaryens , like daneyrys father the mad king was or her insane brother Viserys was. I think he was really good to his daughter , and wanted the best for her . Another clear example of this is Alicent's idiotic "misunderstanding" of Viserys' last words in the 8th episode. Watch the scene carefully and you will realise she doesn't misunderstand him at the end. She understands he's not talking to her and leaves, calling him "my king" as a statement of pained detachment. This gets turned around in the next episode by a different writer who cares nothing about logic but puts feminist junk everywhere possible. Suddenly, Alicent is sincere, not complicit in the plot: the woman is never at fault. It's all Otto and the "patriarchy". But when the girl-boss shatters the floor with her thick head and kills people to stare down the royal family, she's "good" for not killing a mother. Those the beast trampled in the process don't count. The whole show is Written For Idiots ©I didnt like that scene either and thought made no sense .They wanted Rhaenys to come across as a warrior i guess , but leaving the one she hates alive and killing thousands of innocent made no sense.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Aug 11, 2023 17:01:37 GMT
Oh i see , so in the books she is older and knowingly goes after the king . On reddit fans are kinda split about Alicent greens vs blacks Alicent's misunderstanding of Viserys' last words is a show invention, not from the book. The comical situation of her finding out the rest of the Council had already plotted everything without her is not "a clarification of unreliable history". It is just character whitewashing. In Fire & Blood, three years separate the resolution of the succession of Driftmark by Viserys from his death. There is no happy family party, no reconciliation of Alicent and Rhaenyra in spite of the boys antagonising each other, and Larys Strong is not a creepy wanker. what a mess... well then they are not staying true to the book or orginal story if they are changing so much . I guess this is what happens when you have more than one writer on a show . I would like to know how George R.R.Martin feels about writers changing so much ? If i was writer of the story i wouldnt like it .
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