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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Nov 25, 2018 0:40:10 GMT
We sometimes have debates about things like Noah's flood and bible True Believers insist that it really does mean the entire globe when it talks about "the world". But the only remotely plausible explanation to any of these stories is that they are written by people living locally and using what they could see around them. In other words - they don't have any divine power informing them of events half way round the globe. So this news: www.ancientpages.com/2018/03/01/clay-tablets-assyrian-king-world-esarhaddon-found-beneath-biblical-tomb-jonah/Where the King of Assyria is described as "The King of The World" supports the penchant at the time of inflating claims/using so poetic license. As far as they were concerned - the world was everything they could see and nothing else really existed. So when you're writing a story about a big flood that cover the land for miles around you it would be perfectly reasonably at time to say that "the entire world had been flooded". It's just unfortunate (in one sense) that it doesn't tie up with the fact that we no know that the world is a lot bigger than they did. On the other hand (a plus point!), it actually makes the story almost plausible. Maybe not the "God forewarning someone and them ushering animals onto a boat" bit - but the "there was a really big flood" bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 1:48:19 GMT
They knew the world was much bigger than their own back yard... Items have been traded from India to Europe long before then.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 25, 2018 5:17:20 GMT
Congratulations Captain Obvious
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 5:38:05 GMT
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 25, 2018 13:13:07 GMT
Nowhere in the Bible does it promise what atheists (and some theists too) expect. It is not a complete catalog of useful information. It does not appear intended to be. It does not describe the steps in the assembly of the composite bow, a rather significant weapon "at [one] time in the Bible." The discussion of David and the sling is incidental, and more concerned about leadership There are no recipes, just a very few rules about foods and cooking them. The Bible is merely the collection of prophets' writings whose function in society was to give people some idea mostly what behavior to avoid, very few required things, leaving the rest to people's free whims. Mentally retarded people expect it to list every detail of what to do in every event.
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Post by Isapop on Nov 25, 2018 16:18:36 GMT
Congratulations Captain Obvious Coming from you, that comment is puzzling. It implies agreement that the flood would not have been global.
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Post by clusium on Nov 25, 2018 16:34:44 GMT
Yes, but, every single culture in every single nation or civilization, has always had some religion or belief in the divine. Even ones that were cut off from the "main civilizations (Europe, Africa, & Asia) for thousands of years. Eg: Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 14:54:21 GMT
Yes, but, every single culture in every single nation or civilization, has always had some religion or belief in the divine. Even ones that were cut off from the "main civilizations (Europe, Africa, & Asia) for thousands of years. Eg: Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, etc. non sequitur |
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Post by goz on Nov 26, 2018 22:13:21 GMT
Yes, but, every single culture in every single nation or civilization, has always had some religion or belief in the divine. Even ones that were cut off from the "main civilizations (Europe, Africa, & Asia) for thousands of years. Eg: Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, etc. non sequitur ...AND not necessarily factual en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_origin_of_religionsunless you postulate that religion predated other forms of social evolution, which is problematic! There were 'tribes'/cultures long before the evolution of 'religious' belief. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 28, 2018 17:38:42 GMT
Congratulations Captain Obvious Coming from you, that comment is puzzling. It implies agreement tha the flood would not have been global.
Show me a time I ever said the flood was global. I’ll give you a cookie!😁 |
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Post by Isapop on Nov 28, 2018 18:50:38 GMT
Coming from you, that comment is puzzling. It implies agreement tha the flood would not have been global.
Show me a time I ever said the flood was global. I’ll give you a cookie!😁 It's puzzling because the theology you subscribe to, the church you referred to as your church, teaches that the flood was global. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 28, 2018 18:54:08 GMT
Show me a time I ever said the flood was global. I’ll give you a cookie!😁 It's puzzling because the theology you subscribe to, the church you referred to as your church, teaches that the flood was global. Did you even read the OP? Is there any evidence that Moses knew where Canada was? |
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Post by Isapop on Nov 28, 2018 19:11:02 GMT
It's puzzling because the theology you subscribe to, the church you referred to as your church, teaches that the flood was global. Did you even read the OP? Is there any evidence that Moses knew where Canada was? That's a pretty poor attempt at a diversion. You just challenged me by saying, "Show me a time I ever said the flood was global", implying for the second time now that you don't accept that belief. Which, again, is a puzzling thing to say since your church teaches that the flood was global. (So this is regardless of what's in the OP).
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 28, 2018 19:41:50 GMT
Did you even read the OP? Is there any evidence that Moses knew where Canada was? That's a pretty poor attempt at a diversion. You just challenged me by saying, "Show me a time I ever said the flood was global", implying for the second time now that you don't accept that belief. Which, again, is a puzzling thing to say since your church teaches that the flood was global. (So this is regardless of what's in the OP).
im not diverting anything. But by all means tell me what else my church teaches. Maybe we can have lunch afterward since you’re stalking me!😁 |
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Post by Isapop on Nov 28, 2018 20:31:39 GMT
That's a pretty poor attempt at a diversion. You just challenged me by saying, "Show me a time I ever said the flood was global", implying for the second time now that you don't accept that belief. Which, again, is a puzzling thing to say since your church teaches that the flood was global. (So this is regardless of what's in the OP).
im not diverting anything. But by all means tell me what else my church teaches. Maybe we can have lunch afterward since you’re stalking me!😁 Of course you are diverting, and continue to do so with these latest remarks. Anything to avoid directly addressing what I first said. (And no need to tell you what else your church teaches. Anyone can consult JW.org.)
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Nov 29, 2018 22:49:38 GMT
The JW who bang on my door argue that the Flood was global. So there are certainly some believers out there who subscribe to that belief.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 30, 2018 0:47:30 GMT
The JW who bang on my door argue that the Flood was global. So there are certainly some believers out there who subscribe to that belief. Plenty do, it's just your statement shouldn't be an epiphany unless you ignore everyone. This board alone has plenty of Christians who doubt it being global. Can I assume you think all religious people are YEC's as well? |
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