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Post by Archelaus on Dec 5, 2018 0:40:47 GMT
Should we count spider-man far from home? Technically, it's a Sony Pictures film.
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Post by havenless on Dec 5, 2018 2:43:41 GMT
The Lion King will make more money than Avengers. Frozen will probably beat it domestically too. Absolutely 0% chance. Only very specific movies make more than 1.4b$, that seems to be the limit to movies in the genre of Lion King. Not just limited audience, but less people seeing it over and over again. Think about all the people who say they saw BvS 10 times, Infinity War 12 times, Avatar 20 times. That’s the secret to making crazy money. Who saw Moana 15 times? Beauty and the Beast live action? It’s just a different market. James Cameron love stories and super cgi action summer blockbusters are the only movies to make rarified air money.
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Post by dazz on Dec 5, 2018 7:54:25 GMT
The Lion King will make more money than Avengers. Frozen will probably beat it domestically too. Absolutely 0% chance. Only very specific movies make more than 1.4b$, that seems to be the limit to movies in the genre of Lion King. Not just limited audience, but less people seeing it over and over again. Think about all the people who say they saw BvS 10 times, Infinity War 12 times, Avatar 20 times. That’s the secret to making crazy money. Who saw Moana 15 times? Beauty and the Beast live action? It’s just a different market. James Cameron love stories and super cgi action summer blockbusters are the only movies to make rarified air money. Doubt that mate, Lion King the original which was a hit based on it's sheer merit as a movie adjusted for inflation is over $1.5b iirc, you add in 25 years of IP growth and a new format that is a mega hit at the moment and if Lion King break $2b it wont be a surprise, I mean BATB did what $1.2b and was just a near shot for shot remake of the cartoon and has about the same time ot build up it's brand, Lion King being a much bigger movie could easily break all sorts of records.
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Post by havenless on Dec 5, 2018 8:13:27 GMT
Absolutely 0% chance. Only very specific movies make more than 1.4b$, that seems to be the limit to movies in the genre of Lion King. Not just limited audience, but less people seeing it over and over again. Think about all the people who say they saw BvS 10 times, Infinity War 12 times, Avatar 20 times. That’s the secret to making crazy money. Who saw Moana 15 times? Beauty and the Beast live action? It’s just a different market. James Cameron love stories and super cgi action summer blockbusters are the only movies to make rarified air money. Doubt that mate, Lion King the original which was a hit based on it's sheer merit as a movie adjusted for inflation is over $1.5b iirc, you add in 25 years of IP growth and a new format that is a mega hit at the moment and if Lion King break $2b it wont be a surprise, I mean BATB did what $1.2b and was just a near shot for shot remake of the cartoon and has about the same time ot build up it's brand, Lion King being a much bigger movie could easily break all sorts of records. There’s a ceiling for this, remember I said it. You’ll be preaching this after Lion King is out: Frozen was the biggest phenomenon in animation history (not exactly the same audience as LK, but pretty close) and it topped out at 1.3b. The single biggest moment in animation history, really think about that. Movies make that like nothing nowadays. Lion King could very well make more... but beat A4? It’s just not possible.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 5, 2018 8:28:21 GMT
Avengers 4, Frozen 2, Toy Story 4, The Lion King, and you forgot to add Star Wars 9. Each of those movies is GUARANTEED to make a billion apiece; even SW9. Some of them might even make 2 billion.
No one else should release movies 2019... lol! Disney's a beast.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 5, 2018 8:32:48 GMT
There’s a ceiling for this, remember I said it. You’ll be preaching this after Lion King is out: Frozen was the biggest phenomenon in animation history (not exactly the same audience as LK, but pretty close) and it topped out at 1.3b. The single biggest moment in animation history, really think about that. Movies make that like nothing nowadays. Lion King could very well make more... but beat A4? It’s just not possible. You're right, there's a ceiling, especially with all the competition. Hell, you can even say these movies are competing with one another! But, Disney has at least FIVE chances to do it. Avengers 4, Frozen 2, Toy Story 4, The Lion King, Star Wars 9 are ALL going to be monster movies at the box office!
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Post by scabab on Dec 5, 2018 8:59:29 GMT
If Beauty and the Beast can make almost $1.3 billion then The Lion King will make that and then some.
Remember even the 3D release opened to #1. It made over twice as much as the 3D releases of Beauty and the Beast, Phantom Menace, Finding Nemo and Jurassic Park.
Chances are Avengers 4 might not do as well as Infinity War. That movie did well because nobody had ever seen a movie like it, all the different characters together on the screen to such a scale was new for that movie. It won't be for this one.
That was why Age of Ultron wasn't as successful because seeing them altogether on the screen wasn't new the second time around.
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Post by dazz on Dec 5, 2018 9:34:00 GMT
Doubt that mate, Lion King the original which was a hit based on it's sheer merit as a movie adjusted for inflation is over $1.5b iirc, you add in 25 years of IP growth and a new format that is a mega hit at the moment and if Lion King break $2b it wont be a surprise, I mean BATB did what $1.2b and was just a near shot for shot remake of the cartoon and has about the same time ot build up it's brand, Lion King being a much bigger movie could easily break all sorts of records. There’s a ceiling for this, remember I said it. You’ll be preaching this after Lion King is out: Frozen was the biggest phenomenon in animation history (not exactly the same audience as LK, but pretty close) and it topped out at 1.3b. The single biggest moment in animation history, really think about that. Movies make that like nothing nowadays. Lion King could very well make more... but beat A4? It’s just not possible. Well Frozen wasn't the biggest, it just made the most due to the time it came out, ticket sales wise Frozen did about 150m tickets, Lion King did 185m tickets globally using BOM and it's ticket estimations and maths to try and figure this shit out a bit, now if you use that and multiply that by average ticket sales of today you get $1.69b, that's just the amount Lion King made in relation to what it would with todays prices, add to that now 25 years of fandom and a new fans to say their is NO chance Lion King couldn't outsell A4 is silly, and it all depends on what A4 does, if it's just another entry then it wont do IW numbers, it needs huge rewatchability on par with IW, now could it do it? oh absolutely but is it a certainty? not really, and then theres the case of just how much love Lion King will get, not saying I think it will beat IW just saying that saying there is a 0% chance of Lion King outselling A4 is a little short sighted, I give it a 25% chance it can but safe money is on A4 imo.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 5, 2018 13:01:25 GMT
Frozen 2 may actually be Disney big hit. Especially if they make Elsa a Lesbian.
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Post by barfholomew on Dec 5, 2018 13:27:29 GMT
If Beauty and the Beast can make almost $1.3 billion then The Lion King will make that and then some. Remember even the 3D release opened to #1. It made over twice as much as the 3D releases of Beauty and the Beast, Phantom Menace, Finding Nemo and Jurassic Park. Chances are Avengers 4 might not do as well as Infinity War. That movie did well because nobody had ever seen a movie like it, all the different characters together on the screen to such a scale was new for that movie. It won't be for this one.
That was why Age of Ultron wasn't as successful because seeing them altogether on the screen wasn't new the second time around. Apples and oranges: Infinity War ended with the defeat of the Avengers and a massive cliffhanger. The first Avenger movie didn't.
Avengers 4 will do better than Infinity War and be the biggest movie of next year. period
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Post by scabab on Dec 5, 2018 14:06:57 GMT
Yeahhh but Infinity War had all the hype from The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Spider-man, Black Panther and Doctor Strange together for the first time after 10 years of build for that one movie.
This time it's not going to have that newness and chances are a lot of those characters might not actually appear until the end of the movie. Might not even be part of the marketing too.
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Post by dazz on Dec 5, 2018 14:56:11 GMT
If Beauty and the Beast can make almost $1.3 billion then The Lion King will make that and then some. Remember even the 3D release opened to #1. It made over twice as much as the 3D releases of Beauty and the Beast, Phantom Menace, Finding Nemo and Jurassic Park. Chances are Avengers 4 might not do as well as Infinity War. That movie did well because nobody had ever seen a movie like it, all the different characters together on the screen to such a scale was new for that movie. It won't be for this one.
That was why Age of Ultron wasn't as successful because seeing them altogether on the screen wasn't new the second time around. Apples and oranges: Infinity War ended with the defeat of the Avengers and a massive cliffhanger. The first Avenger movie didn't.
Avengers 4 will do better than Infinity War and be the biggest movie of next year. period
Yeah and Captain America Civil War aka Avengers 2.5, which not only featured all but 2 members of The Avengers but saw them fight each other as well as the return to Marvel of Spiderman Marvel's most well known and iconic character as well as the film debut of Black Panther who went on to become the most successful stand alone character of all the MCU films, and yet Civil War did less than Ultron even with Civil War being highly praised whilst Ultron was atleast moderately considered a let down.
At the same time look at DC the first film featuring the DC trinity does the best out of all the DCEU films, the follow up of JL featuring the 2nd team up as well as an addition of 3 more League members does significantly worse, BVS also lef off on a cliffhanger with the dirt rising and Batman being worried about a future threat.
It comes down to how good and what A4 actually does, if it hits it out the park again like IW did then yeah A4 is likely going to skullfuck most records into oblivion, if not it'll still be a massive hit but maybe not the massive hit IW was, you know like how TFA broke all kinds of records but the TLJ despite following on from a massive cliffhanger, biggest box office in franchise history, generally well received reboot of the series and it mad what a 3rd less despite a lot of people saying it's great, personally I think it's shit but whatever, heres hoping A4 lives up to the hype, I cannot fucking wait.
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Post by Marv on Dec 5, 2018 16:05:48 GMT
Prob a 2 race horse between A4 and Lion King.
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