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Post by hi224 on Dec 7, 2018 0:10:53 GMT
a bit slight, but carried by both leads actually.
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 8, 2018 23:55:03 GMT
A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. That is why I have never seen award winning and nominated films like "Nebraska" (2013) or "Grandma" (2015). I won't see "Green Book" either. Glad you enjoyed it. It seems a lot of people still do like this plot trope. It's just not for me.
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Post by Nora on Dec 9, 2018 0:08:15 GMT
A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. That is why I have never seen award winning and nominated films like "Nebraska" (2013) or "Grandma" (2015). I won't see "Green Book" either. Glad you enjoyed it. It seems a lot of people still do like this plot trope. It's just not for me. wouldnt a fact this was a true story based on real people and their real experience help?
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Post by hi224 on Dec 9, 2018 1:33:04 GMT
A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. That is why I have never seen award winning and nominated films like "Nebraska" (2013) or "Grandma" (2015). I won't see "Green Book" either. Glad you enjoyed it. It seems a lot of people still do like this plot trope. It's just not for me. wouldnt a fact this was a true story based on real people and their real experience help? to be fair alot of it came off a tad sentimental and tawdry, you could tell his son influenced the project.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Dec 30, 2018 4:06:07 GMT
"A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip."
That's what the trailer presents, which was enough for me, plus I like Viggo Mortensen.
But the movie is far much more than that.
This is one of the best movies of all time, especially regarding civil rights and race relations, but without specifically touching on those historical touch points.
Movies specifically about civil rights and race relations, whether fact or fiction, tend to be very preachy and hit you over the head, regardless of whichever side you fall on.
But Green Book deals with civil rights and race relations in such a clever way that, on its surface, it seems to be just another movie where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 4:11:01 GMT
It felt like this year's Hidden Figures. Which I liked a lot so I'll probably catch this at some point.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Dec 30, 2018 4:16:23 GMT
I've seen that comparison made.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Dec 30, 2018 7:26:54 GMT
It felt like this year's Hidden Figures. Which I liked a lot so I'll probably catch this at some point. I liked Hidden Figures well enough (I actually viewed it four times in the theater), but Green Book is significantly better—more nuanced, intellectual, and ironic. (And that is probably why its gross is much lower.)
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Dec 30, 2018 7:32:51 GMT
"A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip." That's what the trailer presents, which was enough for me, plus I like Viggo Mortensen. But the movie is far much more than that. This is one of the best movies of all time, especially regarding civil rights and race relations, but without specifically touching on those historical touch points.
Movies specifically about civil rights and race relations, whether fact or fiction, tend to be very preachy and hit you over the head, regardless of whichever side you fall on. But Green Book deals with civil rights and race relations in such a clever way that, on its surface, it seems to be just another movie where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. Green Book does refer to specific matters regarding Jim Crow segregation, the need for societal change, and the Kennedy brothers. It is not a movie about the civil rights movement, but it does speak to those historical concerns. I certainly do not consider Green Book one of the best movies ever made, but I agree that it manages to be both a terrific character study/male-bonding movie and also an important social-historical film that delightfully uses humor to expose the injustice of segregation and bigotry. And the movie also poses and explores complex issues of self-identity and racial identity, doing so in a way that is unpretentiously humorous yet also affecting. Overall, I deem the film "very good."
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Dec 30, 2018 7:34:42 GMT
wouldnt a fact this was a true story based on real people and their real experience help? to be fair alot of it came off a tad sentimental and tawdry, you could tell his son influenced the project. Its sentimentality ultimately keeps Green Book from being a "great" film. Yet I do deem it "very good."
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Dec 30, 2018 7:37:19 GMT
A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. That is why I have never seen award winning and nominated films like "Nebraska" (2013) or "Grandma" (2015). I won't see "Green Book" either. Glad you enjoyed it. It seems a lot of people still do like this plot trope. It's just not for me. Nebraska is a road movie, but it is not necessarily a film about two mismatched figures bonding. That aspect is sort of there with the father and son, but it does not play in that conventional way.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Dec 30, 2018 18:00:54 GMT
"A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip." That's what the trailer presents, which was enough for me, plus I like Viggo Mortensen. But the movie is far much more than that. This is one of the best movies of all time, especially regarding civil rights and race relations, but without specifically touching on those historical touch points.
Movies specifically about civil rights and race relations, whether fact or fiction, tend to be very preachy and hit you over the head, regardless of whichever side you fall on. But Green Book deals with civil rights and race relations in such a clever way that, on its surface, it seems to be just another movie where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. Green Book does refer to specific matters regarding Jim Crow segregation, the need for societal change, and the Kennedy brothers. It is not a movie about the civil rights movement, but it does speak to those historical concerns. I certainly do not consider Green Book one of the best movies ever made, but I agree that it manages to be both a terrific character study/male-bonding movie and also an important social-historical film that delightfully uses humor to expose the injustice of segregation and bigotry. And the movie also poses and explores complex issues of self-identity and racial identity, doing so in a way that is unpretentiously humorous yet also affecting. Overall, I deem the film "very good." Well stated and well put. Yes, you're right, it does touch on those historical touch points without being about the civil rights movement. And I agree that it is "very good."
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Post by mikef6 on Jan 1, 2019 23:08:44 GMT
A long time ago I swore off movies where a mis-matched couple bond on a road trip. That is why I have never seen award winning and nominated films like "Nebraska" (2013) or "Grandma" (2015). I won't see "Green Book" either. Glad you enjoyed it. It seems a lot of people still do like this plot trope. It's just not for me. wouldnt a fact this was a true story based on real people and their real experience help? I'm afraid it wouldn't. It is surprising how many peoples' true story experiences follow a tried and true movie plot/character arc after screenwriters and producers get through with it.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 2, 2019 8:01:25 GMT
wouldnt a fact this was a true story based on real people and their real experience help? I'm afraid it wouldn't. It is surprising how many peoples' true story experiences follow a tried and true movie plot/character arc after screenwriters and producers get through with it. See my long post in the Bohemian Rhapsody thread ... link
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Post by mikef6 on Jan 2, 2019 15:26:04 GMT
I'm afraid it wouldn't. It is surprising how many peoples' true story experiences follow a tried and true movie plot/character arc after screenwriters and producers get through with it. See my long post in the Bohemian Rhapsody thread ... linkExcellent post. I enjoyed it very much, as well as the insightful comments from others that followed. One of the ways to avoid many of these pitfalls is to concentrate on just one era or major incident in the person’s life and let that stand for who the person was. Take “The Life Of Emile Zola” (directed by William Dieterle), which won the Best Picture Oscar for 1937. In a 10 or 15 minute opening montage, the early life of the great French writer and social activist is rapidly covered - his struggle to have his books and articles published. But, after the success of Zola’s first novel, the movie suddenly jumps ahead several decades to a time when Emile is rich, famous, and honored by the literary establishment; he has even received an invitation to join the Royal Society. But he has plunged into the Dreyfus case and the appalling injustice done to that Jewish army officer. Zola then has to decide whether to keep his hard won respectability, or, at an advanced age, go back out on the edge and fight another hopeless cause. The result is a movie masterpiece for which no allowances need to be made. So much of modern major American film output is cookie cutter story telling. The Road Trip, the Sports Movie, the famous movie star playing someone with a disease, etc. The bio-pic is no different. There is really not much interest by the film makers to show what their subject was actually like, but just to hit familiar movie tropes that will make audiences feel comfortable by showing them what they are used to instead of challenging them.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 4, 2019 7:50:28 GMT
See my long post in the Bohemian Rhapsody thread ... linkExcellent post. I enjoyed it very much, as well as the insightful comments from others that followed. One of the ways to avoid many of these pitfalls is to concentrate on just one era or major incident in the person’s life and let that stand for who the person was. Take “The Life Of Emile Zola” (directed by William Dieterle), which won the Best Picture Oscar for 1937. In a 10 or 15 minute opening montage, the early life of the great French writer and social activist is rapidly covered - his struggle to have his books and articles published. But, after the success of Zola’s first novel, the movie suddenly jumps ahead several decades to a time when Emile is rich, famous, and honored by the literary establishment; he has even received an invitation to join the Royal Society. But he has plunged into the Dreyfus case and the appalling injustice done to that Jewish army officer. Zola then has to decide whether to keep his hard won respectability, or, at an advanced age, go back out on the edge and fight another hopeless cause. The result is a movie masterpiece for which no allowances need to be made. So much of modern major American film output is cookie cutter story telling. The Road Trip, the Sports Movie, the famous movie star playing someone with a disease, etc. The bio-pic is no different. There is really not much interest by the film makers to show what their subject was actually like, but just to hit familiar movie tropes that will make audiences feel comfortable by showing them what they are used to instead of challenging them. ... terrific post. I have yet to see The Life of Emile Zola, but I certainly will seek to do so. I will add that your last line about biopics that "hit familiar movie tropes that will make audiences feel comfortable by showing them what they are used to instead of challenging them" could apply to most commercial American films in general. Also, reviewers—and often Academy members—seem to want to "feel comfortable" as much as audiences.
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Post by mikef6 on Jan 4, 2019 22:14:07 GMT
I will add that your last line about biopics that "hit familiar movie tropes that will make audiences feel comfortable by showing them what they are used to instead of challenging them" could apply to most commercial American films in general. Also, reviewers—and often Academy members—seem to want to "feel comfortable" as much as audiences. Oh, I couldn't agree more. The Oscars, in particular, are a mash-up of artistic awards and an industry product show not unlike the auto shows in big city convention centers. While smaller indie films are often nominated and awarded, mainstream and "comfortable" films more often headline the annual awards presentations in order to win more interest in going to a theater or buying a disc to see the movie. The aborted "Most Popular Movie" award idea was just another move in that direction.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 5, 2019 7:04:45 GMT
I will add that your last line about biopics that "hit familiar movie tropes that will make audiences feel comfortable by showing them what they are used to instead of challenging them" could apply to most commercial American films in general. Also, reviewers—and often Academy members—seem to want to "feel comfortable" as much as audiences. Oh, I couldn't agree more. The Oscars, in particular, are a mash-up of artistic awards and an industry product show not unlike the auto shows in big city convention centers. While smaller indie films are often nominated and awarded, mainstream and "comfortable" films more often headline the annual awards presentations in order to win more interest in going to a theater or buying a disc to see the movie. The aborted "Most Popular Movie" award idea was just another move in that direction. Yes, the Oscars essentially constitute a promotional gimmick or an example of what historian Daniel Boorstin labeled, in the early 1960s, a "pseudo-event." linkThe Academy does sometimes award daring, innovative, and subversive films that stray from convention, but as you indicated, it also seems compelled to cater to popular whims—so long as those whims are not too deemed too coarse, inelegant, or unbecoming. My greater concern, though, is that Academy members—like many reviewers—often reward films for following convention and proving programmatic, as if doing so is a sign of splendid filmmaking. The quality of a movie should never be determined by one's conventions-based expectations for that movie.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 5, 2019 10:00:11 GMT
I will add that your last line about biopics that "hit familiar movie tropes that will make audiences feel comfortable by showing them what they are used to instead of challenging them" could apply to most commercial American films in general. Also, reviewers—and often Academy members—seem to want to "feel comfortable" as much as audiences. Oh, I couldn't agree more. The Oscars, in particular, are a mash-up of artistic awards and an industry product show not unlike the auto shows in big city convention centers. While smaller indie films are often nominated and awarded, mainstream and "comfortable" films more often headline the annual awards presentations in order to win more interest in going to a theater or buying a disc to see the movie. The aborted "Most Popular Movie" award idea was just another move in that direction. id argue they have been bucking the trend more and more within recent years. A decade ago, Birdman, Moonlight, and The Shape of Water wouldve never won best pic at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:13:28 GMT
Why would I want to watch living proof that the only black man white man could ever befriend is a mild mannered piano playing eunuch?
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