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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 11, 2018 7:09:12 GMT
And as a side note, Fox tried to do this with Jennifer Lawrence as Mistique attempting to make her one of the leads of the Xmen franchise and failed. Her Raven, other than in First Class feels very similar to Bri Larsons trailer appearances. Dull, monotoned, expressionless, bored and tame. Both actors have Oscar wins so its not about their credentials as actors but about the script and natural charisma . We also don't know if that's a product of lack luster writing or intentional. IF Captain Marvel is brainwashed the side effect can be what you've said there. In other words it can be an acting choice. With Jennifer Lawrence in my opinion there were a few factors at play. She was relatively unknown when First Class was being made. During the making of First Class she did get her first Oscar Nomination for Winter's Bone, but it was before Hunger Games. When a person is working their way up the ladder they are willing to put up with more shit and still give their all. What I think happened with Jennifer was she got so famous and so much press that she felt that X-Men was beneath her. Not just the type of movie, but also the shit she had to deal with making it. Each movie they upped her role to make up for it, but it didn't. They made the makeup and therefore the shit easier for her each movie, also cutting down scenes with her in the makeup. Still she complained about it. Also she was in an on again off again relationship with the Actor that played Beast. Now I had to work closely with an Ex before. I dreaded every day I knew I had to work with her. I've seen off handed comments that shows either disillusionment or outright disdain for the movie's production by her. Hell she came back for Dark Phoenix as a favor to the Director to help him get the job, not for love of the movie or character.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2018 9:09:40 GMT
We also don't know if that's a product of lack luster writing or intentional. IF Captain Marvel is brainwashed the side effect can be what you've said there. In other words it can be an acting choice. True, but its a big gamble if its an intentional choice. Audiences need leads that are instantly likeable and the choice to make a sad, downbeat character on purpose in a debut movie is eye brow raising. Shes the worst thing to happen. I don't even like her as an actor outside of Xmen, so seeing her phone in performances with low energy as Raven was annoying as hell. And yeh she only came back for Dark Phoenix because shes good friends with Simon Kinberg and its likely shes killed in this, but that's 2 films too late.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 11, 2018 9:18:31 GMT
We also don't know if that's a product of lack luster writing or intentional. IF Captain Marvel is brainwashed the side effect can be what you've said there. In other words it can be an acting choice. True, but its a big gamble if its an intentional choice. Audiences need leads that are instantly likeable and the choice to make a sad, downbeat character on purpose in a debut movie is eye brow raising. Shes the worst thing to happen. I don't even like her as an actor outside of Xmen, so seeing her phone in performances with low energy as Raven was annoying as hell. And yeh she only came back for Dark Phoenix because shes good friends with Simon Kinberg and its likely shes killed in this, but that's 2 films too late. true it would be a gamble to have her play monotone/dull until her mental barriers break. And there is no evidence that this is actually what's happening. I'm just spitballing. Another factor I forgot to mention with Jennifer is her was having a rising star contracted for 2 more movies. So yeah they forced her more and more into the lime light in the X-men movies. I think she's a fine actress when she is enthusiastic for the role. Granted she is of the ilk of actors that is more minimalist like Ryan Gosling and Brie Larson. Which brings it back around to is Brie using minimalist acting or if it's supposed to be like that. It's all guessing game until we see more.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2018 9:28:17 GMT
True, but its a big gamble if its an intentional choice. Audiences need leads that are instantly likeable and the choice to make a sad, downbeat character on purpose in a debut movie is eye brow raising. Shes the worst thing to happen. I don't even like her as an actor outside of Xmen, so seeing her phone in performances with low energy as Raven was annoying as hell. And yeh she only came back for Dark Phoenix because shes good friends with Simon Kinberg and its likely shes killed in this, but that's 2 films too late. true it would be a gamble to have her play monotone/dull until her mental barriers break. And there is no evidence that this is actually what's happening. I'm just spitballing. Another factor I forgot to mention with Jennifer is her was having a rising star contracted for 2 more movies. So yeah they forced her more and more into the lime light in the X-men movies. I think she's a fine actress when she is enthusiastic for the role. Granted she is of the ilk of actors that is more minimalist like Ryan Gosling and Brie Larson. Which brings it back around to is Brie using minimalist acting or if it's supposed to be like that. It's all guessing game until we see more. Lawrence didn't care for the contracts she wanted out. Her disrespect of the Xmen IP was arrogantly put when she responded to this question
Asked about her whether or not sheβd like to join the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise during her promos for Passengers, she had the following to say:
''Oh, my God, I would love to! I actually donβt even know β I would choose that over doing another X-Men movie. I wonβt be Mystique in the X-Men movies but I would love to be Mystique in βGuardians of the Galaxy.β I wonder if I can do that?β
How the hell she got to stay on for another Xmen movie is a fkin disgrace after those comments
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 11, 2018 9:33:48 GMT
true it would be a gamble to have her play monotone/dull until her mental barriers break. And there is no evidence that this is actually what's happening. I'm just spitballing. Another factor I forgot to mention with Jennifer is her was having a rising star contracted for 2 more movies. So yeah they forced her more and more into the lime light in the X-men movies. I think she's a fine actress when she is enthusiastic for the role. Granted she is of the ilk of actors that is more minimalist like Ryan Gosling and Brie Larson. Which brings it back around to is Brie using minimalist acting or if it's supposed to be like that. It's all guessing game until we see more. Lawrence didn't care for the contracts she wanted out. Her disrespect of the Xmen IP was arrogantly put when she responded to this question
Asked about her whether or not sheβd like to join the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise during her promos for Passengers, she had the following to say:
''Oh, my God, I would love to! I actually donβt even know β I would choose that over doing another X-Men movie. I wonβt be Mystique in the X-Men movies but I would love to be Mystique in βGuardians of the Galaxy.β I wonder if I can do that?β
How the hell she got to stay on for another Xmen movie is a fkin disgrace after those comments
4 oscar nominations and 1 win I would think was the reason. Hollywood is geared by nominations and wins + money. Which nominations/wins usually makes more money. Fox probably felt that X-men movies would make more money with her than without.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 19:54:15 GMT
I'd be lying if I said I was genuinely concerned.
I haven't seen much of her even after perusing her filmography, but she has won an Oscar, so I don't especially feel like she's swinging above her weight class.
But if I may make an observation, Christopher Eccelston does have a lot of range and I think he kind of phoned it in as Malekith in Thor The Dark World. Just as I believe actor is capable of delighting audiences with surprise, it comes with accepting that any actor is capable of disappointing audiences too.
I also don't mind as much because the MCU and movies in general are wrought with risk. Robert Downy Jr...was pretty much always a good actor, but at the time of being taken on by Marvel, he was on his 2nd of 3 strikes. The third would land him back in jail. Chris Evans, I would have never figured for Captain America (especially after playing Human Torch) and his casting is still one of Marvel's best decisions.
If I don't like Captain Marvel after I've seen it, that's a separate issue entirely, and if that will be the case, then Marvel/Disney will simply have to continue their operation without my support. I'm sure they'll get through it.
I've made this particular point already in one of these threads but I'll mention it again here: I believe for these superhero roles, what you really need is someone with a lot of presence, not necessarily someone with a lot of acting talent. I mean, don't get me wrong, obviously you still need someone who can act... but stellar acting talent doesn't seem quite as necessary as charisma. These characters don't exactly do complex dramas, no need for some heavy acting. What they do need is to look heroic and inspiring by just standing up in a spandex suit and saying a few words while punching bad guys. You need charisma for that way more than heavy acting talent. That's why Gal Gadot was successful as Wonder Woman. Why Arnold Schwarzenegger was successful as Conan. Why Chris Hemsworth is celebrated as Thor yet can't seem to get much respect for his other roles. Heck, cast Dwayne Johnson in one of these movies and I bet he'd do perfectly well despite being a one-trick pony. Even freakin Batista has been celebrated as Drax, and he has awful acting skills. It's also why actors like Natalie Portman don't quite do well in these movies. Look at Alicia Vikander as Tomb Raider. Based on her previous movies she's a perfectly talented actress, yet she comes across as ridiculously bland as a heroine. Some actors need meaty roles in order to shine, in order to showcase their talents. These are not the actors you want for these movies. You want to get actors that can grab your attention simply by walking around. Ones who have presence more than acting talent. I already know Brie Larson has the acting talent, I just don't know if she has the charisma. Some actors have both. Chris Evans, Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins are good examples. So let's hope for the best for Brie. I don't really disagree with the principle, but I didn't think Brie Larson was that devoid of charisma. Charisma is rarer than people think, and if I didn't think Brie Larson could draw my attention just by stepping into a room, I would think she can play a character who could.
It applies to most actors I know. I often feel like I'm watching average to above-average looking actors whose acting talent brings out the charisma in the roles they play.
There's a couple of examples that work in the inverse. I would say Steve Buscemi is unconventionally attractive; compelling, but not your teenage daughter's eye-candy. Philip Seymour Hoffman works too, in my opinion, as someone who is less conventionally striking, and enjoyed meatier roles that allowed him to showcase some less blockbuster-friendly acting skills, but could also gift himself charisma when those blockbusters came knocking, like The Hunger Games'.
Consider the reverse (though it's all a matter of opinion); I thought Jason Momoa was bursting at the seams with charisma, but I don't think he has much screen presence as Aquaman, despite having virtually every enviable tool that would guarantee it. Henry Cavill is an even better example (for me) of someone who I initially thought was excellently cast as Superman, but the more I see him, the more I think he's just a pretty face.
I'll watch the trailer again and see if anything I missed about Brie Larson, but at a glance, I didn't think she was that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 20:11:26 GMT
And as a side note, Fox tried to do this with Jennifer Lawrence as Mistique attempting to make her one of the leads of the Xmen franchise and failed. Her Raven, other than in First Class feels very similar to Bri Larsons trailer appearances. Dull, monotoned, expressionless, bored and tame. Both actors have Oscar wins so its not about their credentials as actors but about the script and natural charisma . I see that. I think Vassago covered what my inner monologue was already saying. By the time Jennifer Lawrence came back to do Days of Future Past, she was suddenly in a position to demand Hunger Games money.
I've been less than kind to the X-Men movies in the past, despite the fact that no matter what I say about them, I like them all and watch them when they're on TV. Jennifer Lawrence I thought was one of the brighter spots in its rebirth. I definitely know what you're saying about looking bored and expressionless, though I thought it really got out of hand in Apocalypse. My most immediate memory of her in Days of Future Past is Magneto dragging her on the street by the bullet in her leg, and I thought she looked panicked and upset as anybody. I thought there were times where she might have been phoning it in, but it was clearer to me in Apocalypse. Likewise with Michael Fassbender, who I think is starting to look bored too.
I watched Shame with Michael Fassbender and even though my first thought when it was over was I wish I'd watched The Exorcist instead, I got the vibe that Shame is more of the type of movie he wishes to be in. Shame, A Dangerous Method, MacBeth. I don't think he likes Magneto anymore.
I do agree about Jennifer Lawrence. I didn't realize it happened as soon as Days of Future Past, but I think she's over Mystique as well. She probably fancies herself as having graduated from comic book movies.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2018 23:23:51 GMT
And as a side note, Fox tried to do this with Jennifer Lawrence as Mistique attempting to make her one of the leads of the Xmen franchise and failed. Her Raven, other than in First Class feels very similar to Bri Larsons trailer appearances. Dull, monotoned, expressionless, bored and tame. Both actors have Oscar wins so its not about their credentials as actors but about the script and natural charisma . I see that. I think Vassago covered what my inner monologue was already saying. By the time Jennifer Lawrence came back to do Days of Future Past, she was suddenly in a position to demand Hunger Games money.
I've been less than kind to the X-Men movies in the past, despite the fact that no matter what I say about them, I like them all and watch them when they're on TV. Jennifer Lawrence I thought was one of the brighter spots in its rebirth. I definitely know what you're saying about looking bored and expressionless, though I thought it really got out of hand in Apocalypse. My most immediate memory of her in Days of Future Past is Magneto dragging her on the street by the bullet in her leg, and I thought she looked panicked and upset as anybody. I thought there were times where she might have been phoning it in, but it was clearer to me in Apocalypse. Likewise with Michael Fassbender, who I think is starting to look bored too.
I watched Shame with Michael Fassbender and even though my first thought when it was over was I wish I'd watched The Exorcist instead, I got the vibe that Shame is more of the type of movie he wishes to be in. Shame, A Dangerous Method, MacBeth. I don't think he likes Magneto anymore.
I do agree about Jennifer Lawrence. I didn't realize it happened as soon as Days of Future Past, but I think she's over Mystique as well. She probably fancies herself as having graduated from comic book movies.
Lawrence was okay in First class, tolerable in DOFP but pathetic in Apocalypse. I cant agree with your take on Fassbender though. Whenever hes on screen he gives it 100% and doesnt phone it in.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 14, 2019 7:14:01 GMT
troll thread
Brie is a true hero and goddess
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Post by damngumby on Feb 14, 2019 12:23:45 GMT
do you know how people predict the weather forecast for next week without needing to wait till next week? I know those predictions are often wrong. Is that the point you were trying to make?
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 14, 2019 18:00:52 GMT
Looks like they are showing more of what you want in the TV spots.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 14, 2019 18:33:08 GMT
I've made this particular point already in one of these threads but I'll mention it again here: I believe for these superhero roles, what you really need is someone with a lot of presence, not necessarily someone with a lot of acting talent. I mean, don't get me wrong, obviously you still need someone who can act... but stellar acting talent doesn't seem quite as necessary as charisma. These characters don't exactly do complex dramas, no need for some heavy acting. What they do need is to look heroic and inspiring by just standing up in a spandex suit and saying a few words while punching bad guys. You need charisma for that way more than heavy acting talent. That's why Gal Gadot was successful as Wonder Woman. Why Arnold Schwarzenegger was successful as Conan. Why Chris Hemsworth is celebrated as Thor yet can't seem to get much respect for his other roles. Heck, cast Dwayne Johnson in one of these movies and I bet he'd do perfectly well despite being a one-trick pony. Even freakin Batista has been celebrated as Drax, and he has awful acting skills. It's also why actors like Natalie Portman don't quite do well in these movies. Look at Alicia Vikander as Tomb Raider. Based on her previous movies she's a perfectly talented actress, yet she comes across as ridiculously bland as a heroine. Some actors need meaty roles in order to shine, in order to showcase their talents. These are not the actors you want for these movies. You want to get actors that can grab your attention simply by walking around. Ones who have presence more than acting talent. I already know Brie Larson has the acting talent, I just don't know if she has the charisma. Some actors have both. Chris Evans, Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins are good examples. So let's hope for the best for Brie. I don't really disagree with the principle, but I didn't think Brie Larson was that devoid of charisma. Charisma is rarer than people think, and if I didn't think Brie Larson could draw my attention just by stepping into a room, I would think she can play a character who could.
It applies to most actors I know. I often feel like I'm watching average to above-average looking actors whose acting talent brings out the charisma in the roles they play.
There's a couple of examples that work in the inverse. I would say Steve Buscemi is unconventionally attractive; compelling, but not your teenage daughter's eye-candy. Philip Seymour Hoffman works too, in my opinion, as someone who is less conventionally striking, and enjoyed meatier roles that allowed him to showcase some less blockbuster-friendly acting skills, but could also gift himself charisma when those blockbusters came knocking, like The Hunger Games'.
Consider the reverse (though it's all a matter of opinion); I thought Jason Momoa was bursting at the seams with charisma, but I don't think he has much screen presence as Aquaman, despite having virtually every enviable tool that would guarantee it. Henry Cavill is an even better example (for me) of someone who I initially thought was excellently cast as Superman, but the more I see him, the more I think he's just a pretty face.
I'll watch the trailer again and see if anything I missed about Brie Larson, but at a glance, I didn't think she was that bad.
Oh but I do think Momoa has quite the screen presence. He can easily fill up and dominate the room, and not (just) because he's big. Cavill is different. He's definitely a looker but his charisma is finnicky. Allowed to have fun with his role and his natural charm to come out, like his role in Man from UNCLE, and he becomes very charismatic. Asked to tone down and play a more serious role like in MoS or Immortals and he becomes quite bland and almost wall-flowerish. As for Brie, I don't recall a single movie I've seen her in where I would describe her as having a lot of presence. Good acting skills yes, charismatic and scene-stealing? Not exactly. But I'm willing to suspend judgement till I've seen the movie. Give her a fair chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 20:48:58 GMT
I don't really disagree with the principle, but I didn't think Brie Larson was that devoid of charisma. Charisma is rarer than people think, and if I didn't think Brie Larson could draw my attention just by stepping into a room, I would think she can play a character who could.
It applies to most actors I know. I often feel like I'm watching average to above-average looking actors whose acting talent brings out the charisma in the roles they play.
There's a couple of examples that work in the inverse. I would say Steve Buscemi is unconventionally attractive; compelling, but not your teenage daughter's eye-candy. Philip Seymour Hoffman works too, in my opinion, as someone who is less conventionally striking, and enjoyed meatier roles that allowed him to showcase some less blockbuster-friendly acting skills, but could also gift himself charisma when those blockbusters came knocking, like The Hunger Games'.
Consider the reverse (though it's all a matter of opinion); I thought Jason Momoa was bursting at the seams with charisma, but I don't think he has much screen presence as Aquaman, despite having virtually every enviable tool that would guarantee it. Henry Cavill is an even better example (for me) of someone who I initially thought was excellently cast as Superman, but the more I see him, the more I think he's just a pretty face.
I'll watch the trailer again and see if anything I missed about Brie Larson, but at a glance, I didn't think she was that bad.
Oh but I do think Momoa has quite the screen presence. He can easily fill up and dominate the room, and not (just) because he's big. Cavill is different. He's definitely a looker but his charisma is finnicky. Allowed to have fun with his role and his natural charm to come out, like his role in Man from UNCLE, and he becomes very charismatic. Asked to tone down and play a more serious role like in MoS or Immortals and he becomes quite bland and almost wall-flowerish. As for Brie, I don't recall a single movie I've seen her in where I would describe her as having a lot of presence. Good acting skills yes, charismatic and scene-stealing? Not exactly. But I'm willing to suspend judgement till I've seen the movie. Give her a fair chance. I hadn't seen Aquaman when I wrote this, so I feel like I stand delightfully corrected. I thought Jason Momoa killed it. I'm sure my opinion of his screen presence came from a once logical place, but I watched the movie and it knocked that opinion clean out of my head.
Someone on the Film General board suggested Yvonne Strahovski could alternatively be cast as Captain Marvel. I definitely agree with that. I know it's a bit of a rabbit hole, who could have done it better/be better cast? But for the sake of fun I'll say it made sense to me right away. She has a brightness to her smile and her face at large; she has ordinary features that come together to make a kind of exotic looking person. I think even her expressionless face has a charming allure.
Alas we have Brie. Brie Larson's filmography suggests something of a chameleon actress. I think she's very attractive without necessarily being striking, whereas Yvonne Strahovski is striking on arrival.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 14, 2019 21:33:15 GMT
Oh but I do think Momoa has quite the screen presence. He can easily fill up and dominate the room, and not (just) because he's big. Cavill is different. He's definitely a looker but his charisma is finnicky. Allowed to have fun with his role and his natural charm to come out, like his role in Man from UNCLE, and he becomes very charismatic. Asked to tone down and play a more serious role like in MoS or Immortals and he becomes quite bland and almost wall-flowerish. As for Brie, I don't recall a single movie I've seen her in where I would describe her as having a lot of presence. Good acting skills yes, charismatic and scene-stealing? Not exactly. But I'm willing to suspend judgement till I've seen the movie. Give her a fair chance. I hadn't seen Aquaman when I wrote this, so I feel like I stand delightfully corrected. I thought Jason Momoa killed it. I'm sure my opinion of his screen presence came from a once logical place, but I watched the movie and it knocked that opinion clean out of my head.
Someone on the Film General board suggested Yvonne Strahovski could alternatively be cast as Captain Marvel. I definitely agree with that. I know it's a bit of a rabbit hole, who could have done it better/be better cast? But for the sake of fun I'll say it made sense to me right away. She has a brightness to her smile and her face at large; she has ordinary features that come together to make a kind of exotic looking person. I think even her expressionless face has a charming allure.
Alas we have Brie. Brie Larson's filmography suggests something of a chameleon actress. I think she's very attractive without necessarily being striking, whereas Yvonne Strahovski is striking on arrival.
I agree that Yvonne Strahovski would have been a better choice. My personal pick was Blake Lively. After watching her in The Shallows and A Simple Favor, I'm convinced that she can portray a tough-n-strong female character far better than Brie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:43:42 GMT
I hadn't seen Aquaman when I wrote this, so I feel like I stand delightfully corrected. I thought Jason Momoa killed it. I'm sure my opinion of his screen presence came from a once logical place, but I watched the movie and it knocked that opinion clean out of my head.
Someone on the Film General board suggested Yvonne Strahovski could alternatively be cast as Captain Marvel. I definitely agree with that. I know it's a bit of a rabbit hole, who could have done it better/be better cast? But for the sake of fun I'll say it made sense to me right away. She has a brightness to her smile and her face at large; she has ordinary features that come together to make a kind of exotic looking person. I think even her expressionless face has a charming allure.
Alas we have Brie. Brie Larson's filmography suggests something of a chameleon actress. I think she's very attractive without necessarily being striking, whereas Yvonne Strahovski is striking on arrival.
I agree that Yvonne Strahovski would have been a better choice. My personal pick was Blake Lively. After watching her in The Shallows and A Simple Favor, I'm convinced that her "tough-girl" act is way more intimidating than Brie's "tough-girl" act. Oh yeah, she's solid too. I had a female roommate a few years ago so I watched more episodes of Gossip Girl than I'm proud to admit, but Blake Lively grew on me all the same.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 16, 2019 21:13:54 GMT
And as a side note, Fox tried to do this with Jennifer Lawrence as Mistique attempting to make her one of the leads of the Xmen franchise and failed. Her Raven, other than in First Class feels very similar to Bri Larsons trailer appearances. Dull, monotoned, expressionless, bored and tame. Both actors have Oscar wins so its not about their credentials as actors but about the script and natural charisma . I can't really compare Brie Larson's Captain Marvel to J. Law's Mystique until after I've seen CM, but Jennifer Lawrence just didn't seem like she wanted to be there. That's the kind of performance she gave. As long as Brie Larson is happy to be in the film she's going to do a helluva lot better.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 16, 2019 21:16:15 GMT
I'd be lying if I said I was genuinely concerned.
I haven't seen much of her even after perusing her filmography, but she has won an Oscar, so I don't especially feel like she's swinging above her weight class.
But if I may make an observation, Christopher Eccelston does have a lot of range and I think he kind of phoned it in as Malekith in Thor The Dark World. Just as I believe actor is capable of delighting audiences with surprise, it comes with accepting that any actor is capable of disappointing audiences too.
I also don't mind as much because the MCU and movies in general are wrought with risk. Robert Downy Jr...was pretty much always a good actor, but at the time of being taken on by Marvel, he was on his 2nd of 3 strikes. The third would land him back in jail. Chris Evans, I would have never figured for Captain America (especially after playing Human Torch) and his casting is still one of Marvel's best decisions.
If I don't like Captain Marvel after I've seen it, that's a separate issue entirely, and if that will be the case, then Marvel/Disney will simply have to continue their operation without my support. I'm sure they'll get through it.
I've made this particular point already in one of these threads but I'll mention it again here: I believe for these superhero roles, what you really need is someone with a lot of presence, not necessarily someone with a lot of acting talent. I mean, don't get me wrong, obviously you still need someone who can act... but stellar acting talent doesn't seem quite as necessary as charisma. These characters don't exactly do complex dramas, no need for some heavy acting. What they do need is to look heroic and inspiring by just standing up in a spandex suit and saying a few words while punching bad guys. You need charisma for that way more than heavy acting talent. That's why Gal Gadot was successful as Wonder Woman. Why Arnold Schwarzenegger was successful as Conan. Why Chris Hemsworth is celebrated as Thor yet can't seem to get much respect for his other roles. Heck, cast Dwayne Johnson in one of these movies and I bet he'd do perfectly well despite being a one-trick pony. Even freakin Batista has been celebrated as Drax, and he has awful acting skills. It's also why actors like Natalie Portman don't quite do well in these movies. Look at Alicia Vikander as Tomb Raider. Based on her previous movies she's a perfectly talented actress, yet she comes across as ridiculously bland as a heroine. Some actors need meaty roles in order to shine, in order to showcase their talents. These are not the actors you want for these movies. You want to get actors that can grab your attention simply by walking around. Ones who have presence more than acting talent. I already know Brie Larson has the acting talent, I just don't know if she has the charisma. Some actors have both. Chris Evans, Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins are good examples. So let's hope for the best for Brie. Yeah Chris Pratt is a noticeably bad actor but he's so damn likable. He's like a Paul Walker type... not a great actor but you just don't care.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 16, 2019 21:37:12 GMT
When it comes to a lot of the names mentioned here I think expectations have a lot to do with it as well.
Robert Downey Jr. was still kind getting his personal problems figured out and I don't think a lot of people expected much from him as Tony Stark.
Chris Evans was known but his previous comic book roles (Fantastic Four, Push, The Losers) hadn't exactly turned him into a star.
Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, and Tom Holland were unknown and unproven. Chris Pratt was just a chubby comedy sidekick.
Then of course most people just knew Gal Gadot as the hot bad-ass chick from Fast and Furious.
It seems we went into their casting with lower expectations so we end up pleasantly surprised, while we find ourselves disappointed with the actors (or filmmakers) we expected the most from. Examples would be Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, Christopher Eccleston, Mads Mikkelsen, Walton Goggins, Kenneth Branagh (as a director). I expected the most from them when they joined the MCU.
Brie Larson being a somewhat popular Oscar winning actress probably raises the expectations of her as Captain Marvel. I bet if an unknown had been in that trailer we just might've gotten excited for her performance.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 16, 2019 23:35:12 GMT
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Post by kleinreturns on Feb 17, 2019 2:06:33 GMT
Isnt it concerning that Kevin Feige has openly said Captain Marvel is going to be the future face of Marvel and that the future is female yet her 2 trailer appearances have been very underwhelming? Her wooden, cold gaze doesnt leave any immediate impression of excitable support behind her character. She is planned to take over the reigns as the poster child of the Avengers franchise from RDJs Tony Stark and Chris Evans Captain America; the former a very charismatic personality and the latter a very likeable, boy scout type. So far Captain Marvel hasnt displayed anything that is going to hold her to this standard; she has the range of a desert rock in her 2 trailers. They tried doing this in the comics and failed because readers rejected the Marvel writers forcefeeding of a boring character to be the flag holder of all Marvel Comics. Disney did the same with Rey as the franchise star of SW and shes awful. I think its of grave concern they haven't got off on a positive start. If you look at major studios and their LEAD characters, they all are very likeable stars with natural charisma oozing from their mere on screen presence. Reeves Superman, Keatons Batman, Wolverine, Christian Bales Batman, Gal Gadots WW, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers. Brie Larson has huge shoes to fill in taking MCU forward, its a gamble by Feige and could backfire like the comics and seem likr a pure SJW move. How can a poor american accent sansa stark be the bold direction for the failed and severely defeated FOX-Men??? How can any of the no name generic FOX-Men in that Ivan Ooze disaster and the latest crap (Dark Phoenix) to be released supposed to be the face of FOX-Men??? The test screenings are a telling point of how rotten that crap is going to be when released this summer. And the DCEU sucks so bad they're now vowing to do stand alone movies after the awful bombs like BvS, SS, JL (Wonder Woman was pretty bad in this along with everyone else) which is what they should have done before desperately copying the MCU. Plus Zach Levy and his fake muscle suit isn't going to push the DCEU further in any good light.
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