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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 11, 2018 10:59:41 GMT
Not much disagreement on my part for this, although there is still some.
The position of Master of Coins is not a demotion. It is made to look that way in the scene in which it is announced, but anyone should understand that controlling finances is the major weapon of the Lannisters, making Tyrion the 2nd most important person in the room, really. He is as good as Hand of the Hand of the King. Furthermore, his marriage to Sansa is an equally important function.
The interpretation that Cersei controlled Shae's testimony is served again and we must assume it is what the writers offered as a working assumption to the actors at this point but they somehow decided not to make it any clearer so it cannot be the only possible deduction.
Maybe Tywin was part of the whole thing, after all. It would explain more inconsistencies.
Last, I find it hard to accept that Tyrion went up to his father's room to have a chat. He couldn't have left his father alive and leave himself after popping up in there. So the "need for clarity" doesn't make sense, but then his turning up there unarmed doesn't either. Bad writing, I guess.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 12, 2018 12:33:51 GMT
Not much disagreement on my part for this, although there is still some. The position of Master of Coins is not a demotion. It is made to look that way in the scene in which it is announced, but anyone should understand that controlling finances is the major weapon of the Lannisters, making Tyrion the 2nd most important person in the room, really. He is as good as Hand of the Hand of the King. Furthermore, his marriage to Sansa is an equally important function. The interpretation that Cersei controlled Shae's testimony is served again and we must assume it is what the writers offered as a working assumption to the actors at this point but they somehow decided not to make it any clearer so and cannot be the only possible deduction. Maybe Tywin was part the whole thing, after all. It would explain more inconsistencies. Last, I find it hard to accept that Tyrion went up to his father's room to have a chat. He couldn't have left his father alive and leave himself after popping up in there. So the "need for clarity" doesn't make sense, but then his turning up there unarmed doesn't either. Bad writing, I guess. the killing of his father made no sense to me there was no love lost between them but i think was it season 2 or 3 that his father put him in charge? that showed that he respectedhim and trusted him enough but then again we dont know if his father would have gone through executed his own son because i dont think tywinn liked joffrey that much |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 12, 2018 13:06:22 GMT
the killing of his father made no sense to me there was no love lost between them but i think was it season 2 or 3 that his father put him in charge? that showed that he respectedhim and trusted him enough but then again we dont know if his father would have gone through executed his own son because i dont think tywinn liked joffrey that much Tyrion amplifies his plight. He is a self-pity master. This is what made me stop liking him even before he killed his father. He would have been executed, I have no doubt about this. Tywin was made to say it to Cersei in their last scene together. It doesn't justify Tyrion's suicide expedition, though. He would have to be seriously demented to go into his father's room for a talk instead of escaping. It was a most hazardous attempt even if he had planned to find a weapon and kill him in his sleep. I would put this nonsense on the show runners but the book original is not essentially different. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 12, 2018 22:31:37 GMT
the killing of his father made no sense to me there was no love lost between them but i think was it season 2 or 3 that his father put him in charge? that showed that he respectedhim and trusted him enough but then again we dont know if his father would have gone through executed his own son because i dont think tywinn liked joffrey that much Tyrion amplifies his plight. He is a self-pity master. This is what made me stop liking him even before he killed his father. He would have been executed, I have no doubt about this. Tywin was made to say it to Cersei in their last scene together. It doesn't justify Tyrion's suicide expedition, though. He would have to be seriously demented to go into his father's room for a talk instead of escaping. It was a most hazardous attempt even if he had planned to find a weapon and kill him in his sleep. I would put this nonsense on the show runners but the book original is not essentially different. dont you think his father loved him? even if he was appalled by his actions i still cant believe he would have done it |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 13, 2018 3:47:32 GMT
Tyrion amplifies his plight. He is a self-pity master. This is what made me stop liking him even before he killed his father. He would have been executed, I have no doubt about this. Tywin was made to say it to Cersei in their last scene together. It doesn't justify Tyrion's suicide expedition, though. He would have to be seriously demented to go into his father's room for a talk instead of escaping. It was a most hazardous attempt even if he had planned to find a weapon and kill him in his sleep. I would put this nonsense on the show runners but the book original is not essentially different. dont you think his father loved him? even if he was appalled by his actions i still cant believe he would have done it No, his father didn't love him. He said it enough. "I wanted to carry you into the sea…" But Tywin did what he had to do and raised the son he disliked all the same, finding uses for him no matter how he felt about it as long as it got the job done. He was even open to changing his mind about him, although he remained biased. I don't know what Tywin would have done but I don't think he would have lied to Cersei in that moment so I believe his intent was to carry out the sentence. |
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