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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 19, 2018 14:38:49 GMT
this is just my prediction .. i do not think GRMM had one of his major characters go through all that and not have him sit in the iron throne the one that was once considered a bastard will be king in the end
and yes it could still be a bittersweet ending because jon wont like it he never wanted to live in KL or be there and i dont think he will like finding out his mother had him with a targaryen , and he may lose everyone he loved and may end up alone ,, its very hard for me to believe that GRMM would give jon a stupid cheap death by fire like it has been rumored or night king killing him NK had many chances to take him out and he didnt so i dont buy it and most of these theories come out from dany fans who want her to rule ... the iron throne is made for one ruler not two.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 19, 2018 15:23:56 GMT
i do not think GRMM had one of his major characters go through all that and not have him sit in the iron throne The same could be said of Daenerys, Sansa or Tyrion. GRRM has never made a major character of any of the kings. Robert, Stannis, Renly, Robb, none of them ever had their own chapters. Cersei has chapters in the last two books but her taking the throne could be a show-only thing, which would make it a severe but not altogether surprising departure. So a speculation could be offered that none of these characters will ever take the throne in the books and that the show would not change that outcome unless the throne no longer really matters at the end. Maybe the bittersweet ending is that none of the "heroes" wins and gets the silly chair. Maybe they sort of come to accept whomever happens to sit there once the dust settles. No big triumph of the "good guys", just plain boring reality. Maybe Tommen lives through and turns the Red Keep into a kitten farm or Sweetrobin somehow gets there and does marry Sansa after all
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Post by Seto on Dec 20, 2018 8:18:01 GMT
Jonsa, I'm inclined to agree that it will be Jon sitting on the throne at the end of the show. Just bare in mind that David Benioff and D.B Weiss are the ones writing the T.V series, not Martin. Martin's book series will almost certainly have a completely different outcome to the show.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 20, 2018 9:23:54 GMT
Martin's book series will almost certainly have a completely different outcome to the show. They said it won't. But it could. Still, I don't think the "game of thrones" is the relevant thing in the end. It's not a horse race. Lord of the Rings was not about Aragorn becoming king and I think that same logic will apply here, especially after GRRM told of his admiration for "The Scouring of the Shire" chapter and used it to explain his intent of a bittersweet ending. I also think the show will not make anyone appear as a clear winner.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 21, 2018 2:13:15 GMT
i do not think GRMM had one of his major characters go through all that and not have him sit in the iron throne The same could be said of Daenerys, Sansa or Tyrion. GRRM has never made a major character of any of the kings. Robert, Stannis, Renly, Robb, none of them ever had their own chapters. Cersei has chapters in the last two books but her taking the throne could be a show-only thing, which would make it a severe but not altogether surprising departure. So a speculation could be offered that none of these characters will ever take the throne in the books and that the show would not change that outcome unless the throne no longer really matters at the end. Maybe the bittersweet ending is that none of the "heroes" wins and gets the silly chair. Maybe they sort of come to accept whomever happens to sit there once the dust settles. No big triumph of the "good guys", just plain boring reality. Maybe Tommen lives through and turns the Red Keep into a kitten farm or Sweetrobin somehow gets there and does marry Sansa after all i agree yes same can be said of many characters and as much im a big fan of sansas when i watch game of thrones there are two major protagonists in this story/show jon snow and daenyrys targaryreyn , ofcourse dany comes second to jon no question about that , most episodes are devoted to them they always get more air time etc..books may be bit different i bet there are a LOT of chapters everything that is happening is a result because of who jon snow really is, the rest are fighting over a throne not knowing the truth LF did im pretty sure about that and he still started a feud between lannisters starks --and this is one of the main reasons he did that never wanted to see truth exposed who jon snow really was even stannis couldnt believe honorable ned stark would father a bastard NK wants dany dead there is no question about that , he openly aimed at her and her dragons and took one out ,i also believe he will take her out in final season or someone else does , so far not once has he personally aimed at jon snow he wants him alive .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 21, 2018 2:17:23 GMT
Jonsa, I'm inclined to agree that it will be Jon sitting on the throne at the end of the show. Just bare in mind that David Benioff and D.B Weiss are the ones writing the T.V series, not Martin. Martin's book series will almost certainly have a completely different outcome to the show. if they do make any changes i hope they are not too great , just not a big fan of novels turned into movies or series and they change it so much you cant recognize it , if in the books jon snow ends up king and on show they crown gendry as one ,.thats a big leap its actually silly but they did promise leo is right about that no matter what happens in the story the ending will have same conclusion unless they changed their minds .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 21, 2018 6:35:45 GMT
Jonsa, I'm inclined to agree that it will be Jon sitting on the throne at the end of the show. Just bare in mind that David Benioff and D.B Weiss are the ones writing the T.V series, not Martin. Martin's book series will almost certainly have a completely different outcome to the show. if they do make any changes i hope they are not too great , just not a big fan of novels turned into movies or series and they change it so much you cant recognize it , if in the books jon snow ends up king and on show they crown gendry as one ,.thats a big leap its actually silly but they did promise leo is right about that no matter what happens in the story the ending will have same conclusion unless they changed their minds . Everyone could change their mind. GRRM could too. He said repeatedly he wouldn't change his mind because of the show but he remains free to change his mind independently of it. He did say he thought of a new twist at some point which the show couldn't do any more because they'd killed one of the characters involved. He then said he might still do it in the book. So while the overall ending is set, there could be changes on the fate of some of the characters, even the main ones.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 21, 2018 7:04:55 GMT
The same could be said of Daenerys, Sansa or Tyrion. GRRM has never made a major character of any of the kings. Robert, Stannis, Renly, Robb, none of them ever had their own chapters. Cersei has chapters in the last two books but her taking the throne could be a show-only thing, which would make it a severe but not altogether surprising departure. So a speculation could be offered that none of these characters will ever take the throne in the books and that the show would not change that outcome unless the throne no longer really matters at the end. Maybe the bittersweet ending is that none of the "heroes" wins and gets the silly chair. Maybe they sort of come to accept whomever happens to sit there once the dust settles. No big triumph of the "good guys", just plain boring reality. Maybe Tommen lives through and turns the Red Keep into a kitten farm or Sweetrobin somehow gets there and does marry Sansa after all i agree yes same can be said of many characters and as much im a big fan of sansas when i watch game of thrones there are two major protagonists in this story/show jon snow and daenyrys targaryreyn , ofcourse dany comes second to jon no question about that , most episodes are devoted to them they always get more air time etc..books may be bit different i bet there are a LOT of chapters everything that is happening is a result because of who jon snow really is, the rest are fighting over a throne not knowing the truth LF did im pretty sure about that and he still started a feud between lannisters starks --and this is one of the main reasons he did that never wanted to see truth exposed who jon snow really was even stannis couldnt believe honorable ned stark would father a bastard NK wants dany dead there is no question about that , he openly aimed at her and her dragons and took one out ,i also believe he will take her out in final season or someone else does , so far not once has he personally aimed at jon snow he wants him alive . I think there are three protagonists. Add Tyrion to these two. I wrote about this long ago in my thread about taking sides. He's been sidelined in later seasons but remains a big favourite and his role as the wavering adviser between Daenerys and Jon confirms this. They form the "good trio" and having one of them take precedence is a bit of a blunder from the authors' point of view. That division they've created in their audience may not turn into a disappointment for two thirds of it. I believe the way the show will come out on top of this is by taking no side and having them all three fail, fall or retire. I can see them all three die. I can see Jon declining a ruling position and either being content ruling the North or even abdicating in Sansa's favour. The latter was foreshadowed in S6E10, when he told her she is the Lady of Winterfell. Jon does not feel like being the leader of anything, he was always made to be by others. There also have been reasons to suspect that the Night King didn't want Jon dead. The fight with the White Walker at Hardhome is the key to this. He could have killed Jon but only yanked and kicked him, then parried his sword as if he wanted to take him alive. I firmly believe, though, that the magical aspect is meant to recede by the end of the story. White Walkers and dragons will be gone again, ice and fire will form a puddle, resurrected Jon and unburnt Daenerys will be out of scope, leaving normal people to pick up the pieces. It could be Tyrion, Sansa, Cersei, all three of them or none of them. Maybe Davos will be president.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 23, 2018 19:14:03 GMT
i agree yes same can be said of many characters and as much im a big fan of sansas when i watch game of thrones there are two major protagonists in this story/show jon snow and daenyrys targaryreyn , ofcourse dany comes second to jon no question about that , most episodes are devoted to them they always get more air time etc..books may be bit different i bet there are a LOT of chapters everything that is happening is a result because of who jon snow really is, the rest are fighting over a throne not knowing the truth LF did im pretty sure about that and he still started a feud between lannisters starks --and this is one of the main reasons he did that never wanted to see truth exposed who jon snow really was even stannis couldnt believe honorable ned stark would father a bastard NK wants dany dead there is no question about that , he openly aimed at her and her dragons and took one out ,i also believe he will take her out in final season or someone else does , so far not once has he personally aimed at jon snow he wants him alive . I think there are three protagonists. Add Tyrion to these two. I wrote about this long ago in my thread about taking sides. He's been sidelined in later seasons but remains a big favourite and his role as the wavering adviser between Daenerys and Jon confirms this. They form the "good trio" and having one of them take precedence is a bit of a blunder from the authors' point of view. That division they've created in their audience may not turn into a disappointment for two thirds of it. I believe the way the show will come out on top of this is by taking no side and having them all three fail, fall or retire. I can see them all three die. I can see Jon declining a ruling position and either being content ruling the North or even abdicating in Sansa's favour. The latter was foreshadowed in S6E10, when he told her she is the Lady of Winterfell. Jon does not feel like being the leader of anything, he was always made to be by others. There also have been reasons to suspect that the Night King didn't want Jon dead. The fight with the White Walker at Hardhome is the key to this. He could have killed Jon but only yanked and kicked him, then parried his sword as if he wanted to take him alive. I firmly believe, though, that the magical aspect is meant to recede by the end of the story. White Walkers and dragons will be gone again, ice and fire will form a puddle, resurrected Jon and unburnt Daenerys will be out of scope, leaving normal people to pick up the pieces. It could be Tyrion, Sansa, Cersei, all three of them or none of them. Maybe Davos will be president. youre right about tyrion i didnt mean to exclude him and i think its because of the position he has why sadly he will be executed when everything is said and done no matter who wins or looses they will need someone to blame and with his closest all gone he wont have many on his side dany does have magic because she cant burn , NK has powers he resurrects zombies , jon snow someone else( melissandre) brought him back to life he really never had any powers or magic just lots of luck and good sword skills on the battlefield- and to this day we really dont know if he actually died that night he was stabbed but many people can survive numerous stab wounds maybe its all made to make us believe messlisandre brought him back-she does have powers but jon doesn't.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 29, 2018 13:05:04 GMT
I also think that Jon Snow will be the one that is sitting on the throne when its all over.
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