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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 24, 2018 20:54:41 GMT
It's heavily foreshadowed in the books and even show for her not to be
no matter what house Sansa ends up in or what "suitor" she ends up with
children are in her future
on the show Sansa has been shown to have maternal instincts
talking early on with her father, cersei and aunt Lysa about children in her future
the most memorable discussion Sansa had about children is with
cersei Lannister actually cersei gave Sansa very good advice, no matter what
love only Your children ,marriage , children is a theme repeated around Sansa
most recently a scene that caught my attention when jorah gave
Jon his sword back told him to keep it for his future children will serve them well
and next scene they cut to Sansa , arya winte fell
sansa was never meant to be alone rule alone or not have children,
children are in her future and maybe that would be a way to end her story
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 25, 2018 7:04:19 GMT
Is this foreshadowing or mere character exposition?
Sansa was raised to be a mother, to be the wife of a high lord. She embraced that path laid out for her, as opposed to Arya who rejected it. They are opposites: the conforming one looking forward to take her place and the rebel running away from everything.
When Sansa talks about having children, and she discusses this with the Septa and with her father, it is always from the point of view of fulfilling her intended function and being recognised for it. She never expresses care for children themselves, only for giving Joffrey the right ones (boys) and for giving them to him, the prince and future king. She wants to be a good wife and even a queen. Having children is just a means to this end and having the right ones is like being good at embroidery. Sansa is happy to hear praise for her work from the Septa in her first scene while Arya sneers at it.
Her conversation with Cersei is all about Cersei. It tells how she feels about love, how she sees it as a weakness to indulge in only in limited fashion: "love no one but your children". Cersei doesn't know at this point that it can be as foolish as anything else.
But anyway, Sansa was made to go through the destruction of the path she saw for herself, just like others. This story is all about disappointed hopes, about people not getting "what they are meant to have".
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Dec 27, 2018 17:36:18 GMT
Is this foreshadowing or mere character exposition? Sansa was raised to be a mother, to be the wife of a high lord. She embraced that path laid out for her, as opposed to Arya who rejected it. They are opposites: the conforming one looking forward to take her place and the rebel running away from everything. When Sansa talks about having children, and she discusses this with the Septa and with her father, it is always from the point of view of fulfilling her intended function and being recognised for it. She never expresses care for children themselves, only for giving Joffrey the right ones (boys) and for giving them to him, the prince and future king. She wants to be a good wife and even a queen. Having children is just a means to this end and having the right ones is like being good at embroidery. Sansa is happy to hear praise for her work from the Septa in her first scene while Arya sneers at it. Her conversation with Cersei is all about Cersei. It tells how she feels about love, how she sees it as a weakness to indulge in only in limited fashion: "love no one but your children". Cersei doesn't know at this point that it can be as foolish as anything else. But anyway, Sansa was made to go through the destruction of the path she saw for herself, just like others. This story is all about disappointed hopes, about people not getting "what they are meant to have". In the books she's very caring motherly toward sweet little Robin , and often dreams of having children and naming them after her lost siblings. I do agree with you about people not getting what they want Sansa like others had her dreams crushed very early in the story and others had success I believe opposite will happen toward the end |
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Post by Seto on Dec 30, 2018 8:52:00 GMT
Actually I would argue that the books foreshadow the idea that she will never have children.
I've mentioned before that there are parallels between her and The Virgin Queen Elizabeth I, but you can also throw in the fact she has had so many failed betrothals and she has been almost raped a number of times.
Martin likes to subvert expectations, so it would be ironic and fitting if it turned out marriage and sex were not in store for Sansa's future.
As far as the show goes, with Cersei already pregnant and Dany likely soon to be, there is simply no room for a Sansa mother plot, let alone any type of romantic interest for her.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Dec 30, 2018 9:17:45 GMT
Actually I would argue that the books foreshadow the idea that she will never have children. I've mentioned before that there are parallels between her and The Virgin Queen Elizabeth I, but you can also throw in the fact she has had so many failed betrothals and she has been almost raped a number of times. Martin likes to subvert expectations, so it would be ironic and fitting if it turned out marriage and sex were not in store for Sansa's future. As far as the show goes, with Cersei already pregnant and Dany likely soon to be, there is simply no room for a Sansa mother plot, let alone any type of romantic interest for her. The only valid foreshadowing is that which comes once and is immediately forgotten. That which is announced and re-announced and dwelt upon like Arya's Little List ( ® The Waif) never happens, unless it is the show-only Oli-stare. Once-only foreshadowing I firmly reckon with are Daenerys turning away from seeking the throne in the House of the Undying and Jojen telling Sam no army can stop the dead. This is why I keep calling Jon's endeavour pointless and Sam an idiot. The fool hears about dragonglass from Stannis and forgets all about it. As to Jon, I'm still waiting for him to start training small dragonglass units for guerilla warfare instead of calling all the fools in the world to come to the slaughter. "At least we'll give the fuckers a fight" - yeah, piss on them too, maybe it helps. I suspect Cersei's pregnancy will be a disappointment. She believes in it, no doubt, but it will probably end badly or be a sickness like what caused the false pregnancy of Mary of England. It would only further the parallel between Sansa and Elizabeth. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jan 2, 2019 15:10:52 GMT
Actually I would argue that the books foreshadow the idea that she will never have children. I've mentioned before that there are parallels between her and The Virgin Queen Elizabeth I, but you can also throw in the fact she has had so many failed betrothals and she has been almost raped a number of times. Martin likes to subvert expectations, so it would be ironic and fitting if it turned out marriage and sex were not in store for Sansa's future. As far as the show goes, with Cersei already pregnant and Dany likely soon to be, there is simply no room for a Sansa mother plot, let alone any type of romantic interest for her. if there is no room for sansa then it wont be for others either , i do think most fans believe just that , sansa will end up alone, un-married dying, become the NK queen or pairing her up with a beast the hound which is sick or some other terrible thing except two things finding happiness getting married going on with her life or sitting on the throne if any of those two things happen you will hear the wailing of the jonerys fans from miles away personally i cant wait to see it happen , but i do agree with you GRMM has a way of surprising people Watching S7 last night the confrontation/discussion arya had with sansa they made a point of arya telling sansa that either of them got what they wanted. but the story is not over |
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