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Post by kevin on Jan 3, 2019 10:05:43 GMT
It's been a while since the last thread, so here is the thread for season 3. Here's some data for season 3 and a list of the episodes in case you forgot them: | Episode | IMDb rating | Rotten Tom avg | Viewer numbers (millions) | | Valar Dohaeris | 8.9 | 7.5 | 4.37 | | Dark Wings, Dark Worlds | 8.7 | 7.7 | 4.27 | | Walk of Punishment | 8.9 | 8.3 | 4.72 | | And Now His Watch Is Ended | 9.6 | 9.2 | 4.87 | | Kissed by Fire | 9.0 | 8.8 | 5.35 | | The Climb | 8.9 | 7.9 | 5.50 | | The Bear and the Maiden Fair | 8.8 | 8.1 | 4.84 | | Second Sons | 9.1 | 8.0 | 5.13 | | The Rains of Castamere | 9.9 | 9.9 | 5.22 | | Mhysa | 9.2 | 8.5 | 5.39 | | AVG | 9.10 | 8.39 | 4.97 |
What did you think of season 3 in general? What where your favorite moments/episodes/characters/plot twists and what were your least favorite ones? What would you have changed? This is just a general discussion of everything relating to season 3, so say what you want  . |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jan 3, 2019 15:58:58 GMT
its very interesting the ratings between the red wedding and mhysa i think this was the turn around point for some of dany
supporters turning from her , i thought it was a very bloody sad season the red wedding was awful
and could have done without the stabbing of a pregnant woman and sad because most starks died
the bear and the maiden fair was a good episode i remember jamie brienne fighting the bear
and both escaping finally.
I often think what would happen if rob stark lived and got to meet Dany , how would that would have worked out
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Post by Seto on Jan 4, 2019 5:48:32 GMT
A great season of television, without doubt. I'd say a step up from season 2, but perhaps still falls short of season 1.
As its only adapting the first two thirds of 'A Storm of Swords' it's structure is re-arranged to make the Red Wedding the climax. Yes its incredible, and by far the most famous aspect of the season. I'd say it probably hits even harder than the book does, as Catelyn is more likeable in the show, and Robb's wife is also killed where in the book she isn't even there.
Also a lot of other sub-plots are cut from the book or simplified, this actually doesn't hurt the characters as much as the cuts in season 2 did. All the characters feel like they are given enough time, and their story arcs work well. Still the cuts are definitely missed and once again I'm still puzzled why there are only ten episodes here.
The worst parts of the season are only minor things really. Like Podrick being a sex god.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 4, 2019 7:58:59 GMT
The worst parts of the season are only minor things really. Like Podrick being a sex god. He's not. Littlefinger was trying to buy him. The whores were instructed to refuse payment, supposing Pod would keep it, making himself open to blackmail ("knowledge is power"). It didn't work, Pod being honest, but Ros learned of the whole event through Varys and questioning the whores about it betrayed her. This is how Littlefinger knew she was no longer trustworthy. |
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Post by Seto on Jan 4, 2019 12:13:25 GMT
The worst parts of the season are only minor things really. Like Podrick being a sex god. He's not. Littlefinger was trying to buy him. The whores were instructed to refuse payment, supposing Pod would keep it, making himself open to blackmail ("knowledge is power"). It didn't work, Pod being honest, but Ros learned of the whole event through Varys and questioning the whores about it betrayed her. This is how Littlefinger knew she was no longer trustworthy. When is this revealed?? |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 4, 2019 13:17:26 GMT
He's not. Littlefinger was trying to buy him. The whores were instructed to refuse payment, supposing Pod would keep it, making himself open to blackmail ("knowledge is power"). It didn't work, Pod being honest, but Ros learned of the whole event through Varys and questioning the whores about it betrayed her. This is how Littlefinger knew she was no longer trustworthy. When is this revealed?? It is not. It is implied when Littlefinger tells Tyrion "I owe you a significant debt. Our red-headed friend. You secured her release when the Queen detained her". The next guess is then that Littlefinger gives Tyrion his money back for Pod's reward but does it in a way which leaves the possibility of cheating open. Tyrion does not realise and it makes for a funny scene. In the next episode, S3E04, we see Ros speak to Varys about it, saying "the girls are usually quite descriptive", "they said it was hard to describe". The "girls" are obviously lying to Ros, or mocking her. They are probably jealous of that foreign upstart who's making a faster career. Littlefinger then somehow hears about it and wonders how Ros comes to ask about something she was never involved in. Why would Littlefinger mention a debt to Tyrion without any follow-up? That conversation between Ros and Varys one episode later does not add to the comic of the story, does not explain anything and has no apparent pay-off, so why is it here at all? The pay-off is that it explains how Ros meets her fate. "Pod the Rod" is not just a puerile joke, it is the misstep that brings Ros' story to an end. |
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Post by Seto on Jan 4, 2019 13:29:45 GMT
It is not. It is implied when Littlefinger tells Tyrion "I owe you a significant debt. Our red-headed friend. You secured her release when the Queen detained her". The next guess is then that Littlefinger gives Tyrion his money back for Pod's reward but does it in a way which leaves the possibility of cheating open. Tyrion does not realise and it makes for a funny scene. In the next episode, S3E04, we see Ros speak to Varys about it, saying "the girls are usually quite descriptive", "they said it was hard to describe". The "girls" are obviously lying to Ros, or mocking her. They are probably jealous of that foreign upstart who's making a faster career. Littlefinger then somehow hears about it and wonders how Ros comes to ask about something she was never involved in. Why would Littlefinger mention a debt to Tyrion without any follow-up? That conversation between Ros and Varys one episode later does not add to the comic of the story, does not explain anything and has no apparent pay-off, so why is it here at all? The pay-off is that it explains how Ros meets her fate. "Pod the Rod" is not just a puerile joke, it is the misstep that brings Ros' story to an end. Ahh, so in other words your confusing your head fantasies with what actually happened in the show. For other people reading this thread, Podrick being a sex god is almost certainly a joke invented by D&D, nothing more. It's never revealed in the show how Littlefinger found out Roz was spying on him, thats part of the reason her death is such a shock. The other thing worth mentioning is Roz doesn't actually appear in the books, she was only added to the show for T&A, which explains why her storyline was all over the place and went nowhere. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 4, 2019 13:59:37 GMT
It is not. It is implied when Littlefinger tells Tyrion "I owe you a significant debt. Our red-headed friend. You secured her release when the Queen detained her". The next guess is then that Littlefinger gives Tyrion his money back for Pod's reward but does it in a way which leaves the possibility of cheating open. Tyrion does not realise and it makes for a funny scene. In the next episode, S3E04, we see Ros speak to Varys about it, saying "the girls are usually quite descriptive", "they said it was hard to describe". The "girls" are obviously lying to Ros, or mocking her. They are probably jealous of that foreign upstart who's making a faster career. Littlefinger then somehow hears about it and wonders how Ros comes to ask about something she was never involved in. Why would Littlefinger mention a debt to Tyrion without any follow-up? That conversation between Ros and Varys one episode later does not add to the comic of the story, does not explain anything and has no apparent pay-off, so why is it here at all? The pay-off is that it explains how Ros meets her fate. "Pod the Rod" is not just a puerile joke, it is the misstep that brings Ros' story to an end. Ahh, so in other words your confusing your head fantasies with what actually happened in the show. For other people reading this thread, Podrick being a sex god is almost certainly a joke invented by D&D, nothing more. It's never revealed in the show how Littlefinger found out Roz was spying on him, thats part of the reason her death is such a shock. The other thing worth mentioning is Roz doesn't actually appear in the books, she was only added to the show for T&A, which explains why her storyline was all over the place and went nowhere. Her storyline is not all over the place and not going nowhere. She is used to tie things together in a way that makes sense and allows for consistent speculation. If your little prejudiced book wanker's mind fails to see it, that's your loss. Yes, D&D are inventing things, just like that fat leftist jerk you like to revere. How long has it been since the last time I called you a fool? It seems it's time for a repeat. |
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Post by Seto on Jan 4, 2019 14:17:30 GMT
Her storyline is not all over the place and not going nowhere. She is used to tie things together in a way that makes sense and allows for consistent speculation. If your little prejudiced book wanker's mind fails to see it, that's your loss. Yes, D&D are inventing things, just like that fat leftist jerk you like to revere. How long has it been since the last time I called you a fool? It seems it's time for a repeat. Care to explain how she "Ties things together"?? She starts out as a random whore in Winterfell and love interest for Theon. She then suddenly works in Littlefingers brothel and becomes his main prostitute. For some reason never explained Cersei thinks she is Tyrions whore. Then Varys, who already has a vast spy network, suddenly needs her to spy on Littlefinger. Then she's killed. Thats the definition of being all over the place and going nowhere. Sure you can go ahead and call me all the names you want. It just further proves what an insecure child you are. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jan 4, 2019 17:33:47 GMT
It is not. It is implied when Littlefinger tells Tyrion "I owe you a significant debt. Our red-headed friend. You secured her release when the Queen detained her". The next guess is then that Littlefinger gives Tyrion his money back for Pod's reward but does it in a way which leaves the possibility of cheating open. Tyrion does not realise and it makes for a funny scene. In the next episode, S3E04, we see Ros speak to Varys about it, saying "the girls are usually quite descriptive", "they said it was hard to describe". The "girls" are obviously lying to Ros, or mocking her. They are probably jealous of that foreign upstart who's making a faster career. Littlefinger then somehow hears about it and wonders how Ros comes to ask about something she was never involved in. Why would Littlefinger mention a debt to Tyrion without any follow-up? That conversation between Ros and Varys one episode later does not add to the comic of the story, does not explain anything and has no apparent pay-off, so why is it here at all? The pay-off is that it explains how Ros meets her fate. "Pod the Rod" is not just a puerile joke, it is the misstep that brings Ros' story to an end. Ahh, so in other words your confusing your head fantasies with what actually happened in the show. For other people reading this thread, Podrick being a sex god is almost certainly a joke invented by D&D, nothing more. It's never revealed in the show how Littlefinger found out Roz was spying on him, thats part of the reason her death is such a shock. The other thing worth mentioning is Roz doesn't actually appear in the books, she was only added to the show for T&A, which explains why her storyline was all over the place and went nowhere. podrick has trouble talking to a girl let alone being a sex god i found the whole thing hilarious , are you guys talking about the hooker the redhead that joffrey killed? |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 4, 2019 18:14:34 GMT
Ahh, so in other words your confusing your head fantasies with what actually happened in the show. For other people reading this thread, Podrick being a sex god is almost certainly a joke invented by D&D, nothing more. It's never revealed in the show how Littlefinger found out Roz was spying on him, thats part of the reason her death is such a shock. The other thing worth mentioning is Roz doesn't actually appear in the books, she was only added to the show for T&A, which explains why her storyline was all over the place and went nowhere. podrick has trouble talking to a girl let alone being a sex god i found the whole thing hilarious , are you guys talking about the hooker the redhead that joffrey killed? Yes, that's Ros. Of course Pod is inexperienced, he is even made to say so before he comes to the girls so the only plausible explanation of what happens next is that his getting the money back is a present from Littlefinger. Why? Quite possibly in an attempt at bribing Pod. In S4, he will tell Tyrion of someone asking him to testify. We don't know who it is, but Littlefinger has an interest in getting Tyrion convicted to make Sansa a widow. Littlefinger is a betting man, as he will tell Sansa in S5, in the crypt of Winterfell. He knows of a chance that Pod remains honest, so he tells Tyrion he owes him a debt. If Tyrion gets the money back, he'll understand that was Littlefinger paying his debt to him, not trying to bribe Pod. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 4, 2019 18:31:25 GMT
Her storyline is not all over the place and not going nowhere. She is used to tie things together in a way that makes sense and allows for consistent speculation. If your little prejudiced book wanker's mind fails to see it, that's your loss. Yes, D&D are inventing things, just like that fat leftist jerk you like to revere. How long has it been since the last time I called you a fool? It seems it's time for a repeat. Care to explain how she "Ties things together"?? She starts out as a random whore in Winterfell and love interest for Theon. She then suddenly works in Littlefingers brothel and becomes his main prostitute. For some reason never explained Cersei thinks she is Tyrions whore. Then Varys, who already has a vast spy network, suddenly needs her to spy on Littlefinger. Then she's killed. Thats the definition of being all over the place and going nowhere. And you're not connecting any of the dots, are you? Cersei mentions Varys in her conversation with Tyrion. That's the writer's way of telling viewers she got his wrong whore from him. Varys does this to protect his own spy on Tyrion, Shae. We know that from their scene early in the season, when Tyrion finds them together. Shae was the adult version of a little bird in Tywin's camp. The Spider cannot use children there, can he? Varys also does this in order to recruit Ros as a spy on Littlefinger. Of course he needs a spy Littlefinger trusts. Little birds don't function there either. He gets her in trouble then tells her Littlefinger cannot protect her. Then he gets her killed for working for him but that's just too bad. Varys is a snake but fools like him and believe what he says. "For the realm"… Ros is also used to tell viewers that Littlefinger entertains a secret connection to Joffrey, as he offered Ned to do. He probably was the one who encouraged him to have Ned Stark killed and in the end we learn Joffrey is the "friend" Ros was given to. In S4, Littlefinger will tell Sansa he disposed of Joffrey because he was not reliable, not predictable. Ros is not "all over the place", she was upgraded to a mere exposition tool in S1 to a key to the unsaid. At least for those who can read it. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 5, 2019 14:47:56 GMT
its very interesting the ratings between the red wedding and mhysa i think this was the turn around point for some of dany supporters turning from her I never "supported" Daenerys in any way but I was initially sympathetic to the character. She even reminded me strongly of a girl I knew, so that didn't help (the resemblance was purely physical). That scene at the end of S3, however, nearly put me off the show altogether. It suddenly smelled like Daenerys was going to turn into the good saviour of the oppressed making just war on the bad aristocracy on top of that disgusting, naive sing-along music. Is there a name for that style of music? I ought to know, but I don't. Still, I liked the rest too much to give up and I was rewarded. After taking Meereen, Daenerys has masters picked seemingly at random and crucified without any form of trial. Tywin Lannister would have done such a thing and called it a warning but she called it "justice". Everyone with a brain knows it's not. Then she is shown standing on top of the pyramid, looking down on the conquered over the screams of the crucified beneath a Targaryen flag in the twilight. The music is no longer hopeful but menacingly martial: The message is unmistakable. This is another Daenerys, revelling in the satisfaction of obtained and exerted power, not the kind, just helper she plays at being when it suits her. That moment is when the character turns, when it is plainly shown not to be the little girl escaping danger but more like the brother everyone disliked in the first season. There is a dark side and it is on display. It will keep coming back in later moments. Daenerys always has to be refrained from crushing these beetles around her. No matter how much the writers allow her fans to celebrate her victories, they always keep her obvious flaws in sight. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jan 5, 2019 20:42:55 GMT
its very interesting the ratings between the red wedding and mhysa i think this was the turn around point for some of dany supporters turning from her I never "supported" Daenerys in any way but I was initially sympathetic to the character. She even reminded me strongly of a girl I knew, so that didn't help (the resemblance was purely physical). That scene at the end of S3, however, nearly put me off the show altogether. It suddenly smelled like Daenerys was going to turn into the good saviour of the oppressed making just war on the bad aristocracy on top of that disgusting, naive sing-along music. Is there a name for that style of music? I ought to know, but I don't. Still, I liked the rest too much to give up and I was rewarded. After taking Meereen, Daenerys has masters picked seemingly at random and crucified without any form of trial. Tywin Lannister would have done such a thing and called it a warning but she called it "justice". Everyone with a brain knows it's not. Then she is shown standing on top of the pyramid, looking down on the conquered over the screams of the crucified beneath a Targaryen flag in the twilight. The music is no longer hopeful but menacingly martial: The message is unmistakable. This is another Daenerys, revelling in the satisfaction of obtained and exerted power, not the kind, just helper she plays at being when it suits her. That moment is when the character turns, when it is plainly shown not to be the little girl escaping danger but more like the brother everyone disliked in the first season. There is a dark side and it is on display. It will keep coming back in later moments. Daenerys always has to be refrained from crushing these beetles around her. No matter how much the writers allow her fans to celebrate her victories, they always keep her obvious flaws in sight. when she started crucifying people that was it for me ...and then she executed that young guy who was pleading for his life i said this is not good and yes she reminded me of her brother , some of those people she punished were horrible the way they abused children was disgusting but dany was supposed to be one of those who made the world better or live it better she just kept the wheel going repeating what they did she punished them the same way they did those children and it went on and on so i dont know how she is planning breaking any wheel , its hard i guess for anyone to have so much power like she has and not turn into the dark side? but it always annoyed me she would do these things and D&D would always excuse her behavior through some emotional scenes using children or something to make her look like a savior while poor sansa tries to save jons behind at the battle of bastards writes a letter to LF for help and all hell broke loose , dany crucify people and its ok they deserved it . |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jan 5, 2019 20:44:46 GMT
podrick has trouble talking to a girl let alone being a sex god i found the whole thing hilarious , are you guys talking about the hooker the redhead that joffrey killed? Yes, that's Ros. Of course Pod is inexperienced, he is even made to say so before he comes to the girls so the only plausible explanation of what happens next is that his getting the money back is a present from Littlefinger. Why? Quite possibly in an attempt at bribing Pod. In S4, he will tell Tyrion of someone asking him to testify. We don't know who it is, but Littlefinger has an interest in getting Tyrion convicted to make Sansa a widow. Littlefinger is a betting man, as he will tell Sansa in S5, in the crypt of Winterfell. He knows of a chance that Pod remains honest, so he tells Tyrion he owes him a debt. If Tyrion gets the money back, he'll understand that was Littlefinger paying his debt to him, not trying to bribe Pod. sounds like something LF would set up and that is excatly what he did |
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