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Post by heeeeey on Jan 15, 2019 16:20:08 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 15, 2019 16:27:35 GMT
K.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 15, 2019 16:37:35 GMT
I suppose it makes for an interesting social experiment.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 15, 2019 17:04:48 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. OK, let's go with that. That does raise other questions. Here's one. Why does God allow the innocent to suffer from the evil choice someone else makes?
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Post by Catman on Jan 15, 2019 17:07:41 GMT
Do tell.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 15, 2019 17:14:13 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. OK, let's go with that. That does raise other questions. Here's one. Why does God allow the innocent to suffer from the evil choice someone else makes?
Free will.
There's a bigger picture that you can't see that's involved in the workings of existence that goes far beyond your limited understanding. Remember, nothing exists for you beyond your 3D worldview.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 15, 2019 17:50:06 GMT
OK, let's go with that. That does raise other questions. Here's one. Why does God allow the innocent to suffer from the evil choice someone else makes?
Free will.
No, no. You said there is evil because of free will. I said OK, and I asked you why God lets the innocent suffer from someone else's evil. You can't answer "free will" again (no one thinks the innocent choose to suffer of their own free will). Well then, how about answering for those on this board who WILL be able to understand it? Maybe it will turn out to be beyond my limited understanding, but I'll do my best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 18:04:49 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. What a good thing it is that the police don't take that view. So... why is there natural evil?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 18:07:00 GMT
OK, let's go with that. That does raise other questions. Here's one. Why does God allow the innocent to suffer from the evil choice someone else makes?
Free will.
Oh, another question : suppose a murderer decides to murder a child. The murderer is removing the free will of the child through this act. You say god refuses to stop the murder, because he values free will. But it is the free will of the murderer that god is protecting. He's perfectly fine with the free will of the child being removed. So how much does god value free will, really?
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 15, 2019 19:36:14 GMT
Oh, another question : suppose a murderer decides to murder a child. The murderer is removing the free will of the child through this act. You say god refuses to stop the murder, because he values free will. But it is the free will of the murderer that god is protecting. He's perfectly fine with the free will of the child being removed. So how much does god value free will, really? The answer is beyond your perception and comprehension anyway.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 15, 2019 20:05:32 GMT
Oh, another question : suppose a murderer decides to murder a child. The murderer is removing the free will of the child through this act. You say god refuses to stop the murder, because he values free will. But it is the free will of the murderer that god is protecting. He's perfectly fine with the free will of the child being removed. So how much does god value free will, really? Even better is that the murderer can go to Heaven if he repents and accepts God into his life while the child won’t (if killed before repenting and accepting God).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:17:54 GMT
Oh, another question : suppose a murderer decides to murder a child. The murderer is removing the free will of the child through this act. You say god refuses to stop the murder, because he values free will. But it is the free will of the murderer that god is protecting. He's perfectly fine with the free will of the child being removed. So how much does god value free will, really? The answer is beyond your perception and comprehension anyway. Lol, couldn't find an answer on google, huh?
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jan 15, 2019 20:57:17 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. Because in nature, good and evil exist.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 15, 2019 21:14:07 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. At first glance, this sentence did not look as nonsensical as most of your posts. On second glance, however... Humans have free will because of evolution. First, evolution did not provide humanity with every choice imaginable. Second, you don't need every imaginable choice in order to make a conscious decision for a choice. Two alternatives of equal worth are enough. Evil and good are relative and subjective. Therefore "low" and "high" are problematic categories when it comes to moral values. But I did say that at first glance, your post wasn't entirely nonsensical. If we reformulate some points, it becomes more sensible. If you are going to bestow free will upon people -> If people can make conscious decisions you have to provide them with every choice imaginable -> they have the ability to make choices from the very lowest to the very highest -> which can be ethically desirable or undesirable "If people can make conscious decisions, they have the ability to make choices which can be ethically desirable or undesirable." Not too stupid in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 21:14:22 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. I choose to be able to fly like superman. Hmmm, I tried to fly and it didn’t work. Why is my free will suddenly limited?
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 15, 2019 21:19:33 GMT
If you are going to bestow free will upon people, you have to provide them with every choice imaginable, from the very lowest to the very highest. I choose to be able to fly like superman. Hmmm, I tried to fly and it didn’t work. Why is my free will suddenly limited? You had the free will to try. Nothing stopped you.
Free will is confined to the laws of gravity and other laws of this material world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 21:31:12 GMT
I choose to be able to fly like superman. Hmmm, I tried to fly and it didn’t work. Why is my free will suddenly limited? You had the free will to try. Nothing stopped you.
Free will is confined to the laws of gravity and other laws of this material world.
So why not set the natural laws up so that murder is also impossible? According to you this wouldn’t violate free will, right? Good luck googling the answer to that one...
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 15, 2019 21:36:12 GMT
Greed? Jealousy?
Revenge? Egoism? Tribalism?
Lust for power? Compeition for resources?
There's plenty of reasons that don't require a magical anthromophical being.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 15, 2019 22:22:53 GMT
You had the free will to try. Nothing stopped you.
Free will is confined to the laws of gravity and other laws of this material world.
So why not set the natural laws up so that murder is also impossible? According to you this wouldn’t violate free will, right? Good luck googling the answer to that one... Google can't help you make any sense.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 15, 2019 22:23:47 GMT
Greed? Jealousy?
Revenge? Egoism? Tribalism?
Lust for power? Compeition for resources?
There's plenty of reasons that don't require a magical anthromophical being. You're the only one who seems to believe in one.
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