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Post by scabab on Jan 19, 2019 3:41:48 GMT
uk.ign.com/articles/2019/01/19/warner-bros-less-focused-on-dc-shared-universe-now-thanks-to-aquamans-successTalking to THR, Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich has said that the studio has "turned a corner" when it comes to the DC shared universe thanks to Aquaman's success. "We all feel like we've turned a corner now. We're playing by the DC playbook, which is very different than the Marvel playbook. We are far less focused on a shared universe. We take it one movie at a time." He added that each film is "its own equation and own creative entity."
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 19, 2019 6:39:16 GMT
Stand alone is definitely what DC’s better at. They should focus on making a bunch of high quality trilogies for these characters then revisiting the Justice League down the road.
After saying that my brain just went into an Elseworld and I imagined a place where DC made trilogies of TDK, MOS, WW, and Aquaman, completely without care of a shared universe... then made Justice League. And they all completely stand alone of each other while still epically combining well together. That’s the dream shared universe.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 19, 2019 9:48:01 GMT
Honestly that's probably for the best
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Post by damngumby on Jan 19, 2019 16:00:19 GMT
There’s a DC playbook? Did they just write it last night? On the back of a napkin?
Well, at least they are acknowledging their limitations and failures. The shared universe concept was simply too much for DC.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 20, 2019 3:20:11 GMT
I'd like another crossover later down the road, perhaps after Flash and Green Lantern Corps (assuming that is even made).
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 20, 2019 9:28:02 GMT
There’s a DC playbook? Did they just write it last night? On the back of a napkin? Well, at least they are acknowledging their limitations and failures. The shared universe concept was simply too much for DC. Shit like this is why people hate us. |
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Post by darkpast on Jan 21, 2019 7:55:12 GMT
Snyder created a great universe for creatives to play with
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Post by gromel on Jan 21, 2019 8:43:14 GMT
Stand alone is definitely what DC’s better at. They should focus on making a bunch of high quality trilogies for these characters then revisiting the Justice League down the road. After saying that my brain just went into an Elseworld and I imagined a place where DC made trilogies of TDK, MOS, WW, and Aquaman, completely without care of a shared universe... then made Justice League. And they all completely stand alone of each other while still epically combining well together. That’s the dream shared universe. Nolan Batman isn't comic booky enough to cross over with other superheroes, which was WB's issue back in the day. So they tried to make a Justice League movie with George Miller directing which only fell through because of a Hollywood strike or something. If it had been released, Green Lantern and the DCEU would probably have never happened... |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 8:54:41 GMT
Stand alone is definitely what DC’s better at. They should focus on making a bunch of high quality trilogies for these characters then revisiting the Justice League down the road. After saying that my brain just went into an Elseworld and I imagined a place where DC made trilogies of TDK, MOS, WW, and Aquaman, completely without care of a shared universe... then made Justice League. And they all completely stand alone of each other while still epically combining well together. That’s the dream shared universe. Nolan Batman isn't comic booky enough to cross over with other superheroes, which was WB's issue back in the day. So they tried to make a Justice League movie with George Miller directing which only fell through because of a Hollywood strike or something. If it had been released, Green Lantern and the DCEU would probably have never happened... Yeah I remember the George Miller JL and was super disappointed it didn't come to be. As for Nolan's films not being comic booky enough, I totally agree. Which is why it would've been cool if they had made a bunch of stand alone trilogies and later made Justice League with TDK and the other trilogies being canon. They could've just replaced Bale as Batman, and had the events of the original trilogy still be part of their universe. That way if someone didn't like the shared universe concept they could just watch whichever trilogy standalone. Like with MCU you can't really watch any of the trilogies standalone. But the fans of Nolan's trilogy would've probably still hated it lol. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 9:08:29 GMT
Snyder created a great universe for creatives to play with Yeah I don't really mind what he was trying to do. I didn't think it landed as well as it could have, but I respect him trying to make it some big Greek God epic. It was certainly ambitious. I felt like he was pushed by the studio further away from his vision after MOS, less so with BVS more obviously with Justice League, but I think that was a mistake. Even though MOS wasn't well received, it was much better reviewed than both BVS and JL. It was also a bigger financial success than JL, which is honestly shocking, and IMO, MOS was more financially successful than BVS even though it made less. Because anything with Batman and Superman should've made a billion. So yeah, I think it was a mistake for WB to try and alter his plan. But they've certainly found their footing now, haven't they? |
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Post by politicidal on Jan 21, 2019 17:38:21 GMT
Snyder created a great universe for creatives to play with Yeah I don't really mind what he was trying to do. I didn't think it landed as well as it could have, but I respect him trying to make it some big Greek God epic. It was certainly ambitious. I felt like he was pushed by the studio further away from his vision after MOS, less so with BVS more obviously with Justice League, but I think that was a mistake. Even though MOS wasn't well received, it was much better reviewed than both BVS and JL. It was also a bigger financial success than JL, which is honestly shocking, and IMO, MOS was more financially successful than BVS even though it made less. Because anything with Batman and Superman should've made a billion. So yeah, I think it was a mistake for WB to try and alter his plan. But they've certainly found their footing now, haven't they? They should had just made a solo lower budgeted Batman film in 2016 with perhaps a MoS sequel that same year. But you Iive and learn. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 21, 2019 17:41:04 GMT
There’s a DC playbook? Did they just write it last night? On the back of a napkin? Well, at least they are acknowledging their limitations and failures. The shared universe concept was simply too much for DC. Shit like this is why people hate us. Speak for yourself, people love me, I'm fucking adorable.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 18:30:01 GMT
Shit like this is why people hate us. Speak for yourself, people love me, I'm fucking adorable.
Yeah you legit AF. But how can MCU fans hate on the fact that DC just said “Yeah we fucked up at first but we’re righting the ship”. Like that’s literally everything we’ve wanted them to do this entire time and we STILL be bitching lol. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 21, 2019 18:46:22 GMT
Stand alone is definitely what DC’s better at. They should focus on making a bunch of high quality trilogies for these characters then revisiting the Justice League down the road. After saying that my brain just went into an Elseworld and I imagined a place where DC made trilogies of TDK, MOS, WW, and Aquaman, completely without care of a shared universe... then made Justice League. And they all completely stand alone of each other while still epically combining well together. That’s the dream shared universe. Nolan Batman isn't comic booky enough to cross over with other superheroes, which was WB's issue back in the day. So they tried to make a Justice League movie with George Miller directing which only fell through because of a Hollywood strike or something. If it had been released, Green Lantern and the DCEU would probably have never happened... It’s not even a matter of the Nolan movies not being comic booky enough. Nolan didn’t want his movies to be part of a larger franchise. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 21, 2019 18:48:56 GMT
Speak for yourself, people love me, I'm fucking adorable.
Yeah you legit AF. But how can MCU fans hate on the fact that DC just said “Yeah we fucked up at first but we’re righting the ship”. Like that’s literally everything we’ve wanted them to do this entire time and we STILL be bitching lol. I dunno I do get rolling your eyes at DC a bit at this point because every film since BVS has had the same response in they scramble to "fix" their product, it's been their biggest fault in all of this that they are so reactionary, makes anything they say kind of hollow because it means as soon as one of these less connected films does poorly or gets criticised they will likely change directions all over again.
If they truly have learned from everything and have a game plan even a loose one such as not worrying about keeping it all connected and just ensuring the best possible film each time out then cool, if it's to make their films feel like episodes of a ongoing series again cool, just have a plan and stick with it, it doesn't need to be 100% locked in Marvel's allowed some fluidity in their stuff also, but 9/10 times what Marvel promise they deliver on, DC at this point have scrapped half their line up and have like a dozen projects up in the air they don't know which one they are going to do or not.
So to joke about DC not having a playbook is fair given their unreliable track record since the Nolan films ended imo, just wait though DC could just flat out come out swinging and every major film could be worth a billion dollars, you know imagine if Shazam and Aquaman both make over $1b the big red cheese and the dude who rode a seahorse are billion dollar IP's and Spider-Man fucking Spider-Man isn't, I would love to see that it would be so much fun, as is Aquaman beating Spidey to a $1b movie is already awesome I just want Shazam to do well now also, more money = more movies and that's all I really want.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 19:08:04 GMT
Yeah you legit AF. But how can MCU fans hate on the fact that DC just said “Yeah we fucked up at first but we’re righting the ship”. Like that’s literally everything we’ve wanted them to do this entire time and we STILL be bitching lol. I dunno I do get rolling your eyes at DC a bit at this point because every film since BVS has had the same response in they scramble to "fix" their product, it's been their biggest fault in all of this that they are so reactionary, makes anything they say kind of hollow because it means as soon as one of these less connected films does poorly or gets criticised they will likely change directions all over again.
If they truly have learned from everything and have a game plan even a loose one such as not worrying about keeping it all connected and just ensuring the best possible film each time out then cool, if it's to make their films feel like episodes of a ongoing series again cool, just have a plan and stick with it, it doesn't need to be 100% locked in Marvel's allowed some fluidity in their stuff also, but 9/10 times what Marvel promise they deliver on, DC at this point have scrapped half their line up and have like a dozen projects up in the air they don't know which one they are going to do or not.
So to joke about DC not having a playbook is fair given their unreliable track record since the Nolan films ended imo, just wait though DC could just flat out come out swinging and every major film could be worth a billion dollars, you know imagine if Shazam and Aquaman both make over $1b the big red cheese and the dude who rode a seahorse are billion dollar IP's and Spider-Man fucking Spider-Man isn't, I would love to see that it would be so much fun, as is Aquaman beating Spidey to a $1b movie is already awesome I just want Shazam to do well now also, more money = more movies and that's all I really want.
Yeah I understand the doubt. But their usual fix was "Make it more Marvel". Now they seem to be doing what most people wanted them to do.. "Make good movies". With Wonder Woman and Aquaman now, we should be a little more optimistic. I certainly don't think we should be coming down on them for doing exactly what we were hoping for lol. They seemed to have learned from every mistake they've made and what more could we ask for? I would love it if Shazam! made a billion. I love Zachary Levi so I always wish him success. He was the superior Fandral, IMO. But it'd be CRAZY if it made that much. If DC started turning out a billion every time, there wouldn't be much to say. I can't imagine Wonder Woman 2 won't cross that mark. I didn't even think about the fact that Spidey hasn't crossed a billion. I wonder if it ever will? I feel like it'd have to feature the Sinister Six or something. The last one even had Iron Man in it! How can you be Spider-Man AND have Iron Man in your movie and not cross a billion? That's like if they made a Superman movie with Batman or something and it didn't cross a billi…. oh. |
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