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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 14:28:04 GMT
I don't think anyone ever figured out what made Bundy tick. He wouldn't even admit to the crimes until doing so bought him some more time on death row. He supposedly helped the FBI with other serial killer cases. That might be the closest we'll ever get to figuring out what he got out of the crimes he committed. They touched on that briefly in the documentary, but I wish they would have explored it more. IIRC, it was the Green River killer that Bundy helped law enforcement with and Cary Elwes played him in a movie about it. I was reading up a bit on him and his childhood. He was born out of wedlock and never knew who is real father was. His grandparents raised him, whom he thought were his parents and there was allegedly abusive behavior from his grandfather— it was also alleged, that he may have been Bundy's father also—and his grandmother was a depressant. Whatever rage was within Bundy, it would have stemmed from a dysfunction in his upbringing. I'm not I believe that. I think it may have contributed--cracking open a door that was already there--but most abusive people don't turn into serial killers. Although it does make one wonder about his paternity and the nature vs. nurture question. Supposedly there is an 80's movie where Mark Harmon played him. Ann Rule wrote it. I may check that one out. Watch the documentary if you get a chance. The last two episodes are especially intetesting. I'm still dumbfounded by what they let him get away with in court.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 30, 2019 14:43:55 GMT
I'll reserve judgment. Zac Efron really looks the part and the trailer tone might intentionally misleading. Remember: Bundy was a apparently a charming attractive person. There is also the thing that the movie will be told from Elizabeth Kloepfer perspective.. She saw him in a very different light. I hope they arent going for sardonic entirely.
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Post by kuatorises on Jan 30, 2019 15:38:30 GMT
It could just be a bad trailer, but if this is the tone of the movie itself, I agreed to in very poor taste. Unfortunately, we live in a world of poor taste.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 18:05:23 GMT
65% fresh in Rotten Tomatoes. People seem to be praising Zac Efron performance but apparently the film focus too much on the charming side of Ted Bundy. The movie might be good, but the trailer is made in an awful way. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 18:07:41 GMT
I'll reserve judgment. Zac Efron really looks the part and the trailer tone might intentionally misleading. Remember: Bundy was a apparently a charming attractive person. There is also the thing that the movie will be told from Elizabeth Kloepfer perspective.. She saw him in a very different light. Therefore they should have shown what they were showing in the trailer in little scene Efron did. Not by making the trailer seem like a hip music video.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 30, 2019 18:52:21 GMT
Can't wait to see 'Pogo', the new film that will be portraying the happy-go-lucky clown alter ego of notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy. I have not much doubt that some millennial hipster film maker is getting the greenlight on this even as I type.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 23:24:07 GMT
Can't wait to see 'Pogo', the new film that we be portraying the happy-go-lucky clown alter ego of notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy. I have not much doubt that some millennial hipster film maker is getting the greenlight on this even as I type. Is this your wry sense of humor amyghost?
If they were making a film about Gacy, called Pogo, that would be in cheap taste as well as poor taste.
I recently watched AHS season 6 Hotel with Lady Gaga. They had a couple of episodes featuring the famous US serial killers from the latter part of last century, Gacy, Dhamer, Bundy, Wuronos—whom I don't really see as a serial killer. This sequence was about their ghosts though and keeping in line with the horror send up and homage aspect of the series and was in context with the fictional evil characters who hung out with them. A serious dramatic re-enactment, needs to be kept in the best of taste possible though and not exploit the subject matter.
I think using these people for the sake of dramatic flair in fiction is exploitative. I totally agree that non-fiction account needs to be as factual as possible and still maintain the victim's dignity. I think it minimizes the crimes these people committed by usingbthem in fiction. I can't imagine being one of the victim's families and seeing my loved ones killer being glamorized as a ghost on a horror-themed TV show.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 31, 2019 0:06:27 GMT
I hope they arent going for sardonic entirely. That is what it appears from the trailer, but who's to say until it is released in its entirety. yeah i mean this years looking chaotic for certain new releases.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 9, 2019 9:30:09 GMT
I was reading up a bit on him and his childhood. He was born out of wedlock and never knew who is real father was. His grandparents raised him, whom he thought were his parents and there was allegedly abusive behavior from his grandfather— it was also alleged, that he may have been Bundy's father also—and his grandmother was a depressant. Whatever rage was within Bundy, it would have stemmed from a dysfunction in his upbringing. I'm not I believe that. I think it may have contributed--cracking open a door that was already there--but most abusive people don't turn into serial killers. Although it does make one wonder about his paternity and the nature vs. nurture question. Supposedly there is an 80's movie where Mark Harmon played him. Ann Rule wrote it. I may check that one out. Watch the documentary if you get a chance. The last two episodes are especially intetesting. I'm still dumbfounded by what they let him get away with in court. Well, consider me a witness, I've seen it. Pretty decent, and seemed pretty accurate, too. Doesn't hold back for an 80s TV movie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 14:48:23 GMT
I'm not I believe that. I think it may have contributed--cracking open a door that was already there--but most abusive people don't turn into serial killers. Although it does make one wonder about his paternity and the nature vs. nurture question. Supposedly there is an 80's movie where Mark Harmon played him. Ann Rule wrote it. I may check that one out. Watch the documentary if you get a chance. The last two episodes are especially intetesting. I'm still dumbfounded by what they let him get away with in court. Well, consider me a witness, I've seen it. Pretty decent, and seemed pretty accurate, too. Doesn't hold back for an 80s TV movie. A lot of my favorite stuff is from the 80's.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 9, 2019 22:32:26 GMT
Picked up by the streaming service nice.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 10, 2019 6:37:32 GMT
Well, consider me a witness, I've seen it. Pretty decent, and seemed pretty accurate, too. Doesn't hold back for an 80s TV movie. A lot of my favorite stuff is from the 80's. I'm just surprised they'd show him clubbing sorority girls' heads with a log in a TV movie back then.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 17, 2019 16:12:39 GMT
Can't wait to see 'Pogo', the new film that we be portraying the happy-go-lucky clown alter ego of notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy. I have not much doubt that some millennial hipster film maker is getting the greenlight on this even as I type. Is this your wry sense of humor amyghost?
If they were making a film about Gacy, called Pogo, that would be in cheap taste as well as poor taste.
I recently watched AHS season 6 Hotel with Lady Gaga. They had a couple of episodes featuring the famous US serial killers from the latter part of last century, Gacy, Dhamer, Bundy, Wuronos—whom I don't really see as a serial killer. This sequence was about their ghosts though and keeping in line with the horror send up and homage aspect of the series and was in context with the fictional evil characters who hung out with them. A serious dramatic re-enactment, needs to be kept in the best of taste possible though and not exploit the subject matter.
My apologies for the late response, TC. I suppose it is a bit of my 'Irish black humor' coming to the fore, though god knows there's little enough to be humorous about in regard to a wretch like Gacy. I don't especially care for what seems to be a bit of a millenial trend for somewhat glorifying these bastards, and a general taste for relying on sadism and cruelty as legitimate mines for 'comedy'. My observation regarding a 'Pogo' film is a sort of lash-out at this trend, which has reached a point that would almost suggest something as tasteless and insensitive could get a production greenlight in today's entertainment climate, and maybe even be critically lauded to boot. Such is the pass we've come to, I guess. Speaking of dramatizations of this nature which could be considered as non-exploitative and sensitive, I wonder if you've ever seen the 1992 Canadian-produced teleplay about Gacy, To Catch a Killer? It was made for television, and suffers from some of the limitations that format imposes, but it's still an intelligent and pretty grippingly rendered re-creation of the final weeks of the police manhunt to prove Gacy's guilt. Features a solid, scary performance by Brian Dennehy (who definitely does not attempt to glamorize the man), and a very good one by Michael Riley, as Joe Kozenczak, the detective primarily responsible for finally bringing Gacy to justice. It was originally aired as a two-part 189 minute mini, but was subsequently edited down to 90 minutes for release to home media. The full-length version sometimes turns up on Youtube, and if you're interested, try to view it in that version. It stands as one of the better TV 'true crime' efforts of the period, and still hold up well two decades later.
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