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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 9:31:30 GMT
What do you think of it?
For me the jury is still out, it's getting better though. The premiere was lackluster for me
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 28, 2019 21:22:57 GMT
I'm watching it. Still one of my all time favorite superhero shows.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 29, 2019 0:12:08 GMT
I'm still watching it and enjoying it. Loved the appearance of the Mutants and their leader . Never expected to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:18:26 GMT
True that, that was a pleasant surprise even though I hated them in The Dark Knight Returns
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 29, 2019 0:36:40 GMT
Really? Huh. I always enjoyed them as a comical band of ineffective wannabe bad asses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 12:31:46 GMT
I am and I am enjoying it so far and am looking forward to seeing the next episode on Friday. I am kinda disappointed with all the characters they couldn't get for the final season like Barbara and Dick 'cause of DC blocking them and it is a shame they couldn't use Killer Croc 'cause he could have been awesome in the show if they had started Waylon Jones out as a mob boss and had him become more crocodile throughout the series but maybe they were worried 'Gotham' would do a better job with the character than the version they had in the 'Suicide Squad' movie like 'Smallville' did with their Doomsday in the rare moments we saw him. I am really hoping we get to see characters like Sofia, Harvey Dent and Clayface one more time before the season ends and I don't get why Harvey Dent is no longer in it when even on the box of the first season they say we would see the origins of Two Face and the character hasn't been in it since Season 2. It appears they have come up with a solution to the Barbara Gordon problem and it looks like Jim will end up with Barbara Kean at the end. Maybe Barbara is good again now and her losing Tabitha makes her decide to change her ways but there was one moment during the explosion when Barbara was looking at all the people who were hurt and she was going to kill the Penguin and didn't and maybe that knocked her back to normal kinda like the Riddler turned good in the comic books for a while when he got bumped on the head. Gotham Season 5 Finds A Solution To Its Batgirl Problemscreenrant.com/gotham-season-5-batgirl-problem/
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 30, 2019 12:52:26 GMT
Well Dick and Barbara haven't been born yet, so that might have something to do with their lack of an appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:02:29 GMT
Yeah I was wondering about Dent too actually, Deb. Shame he's randomly out of the picture. The only thing I can think of now is, if they were to include him again, is just a cameo at the end of him being two face already.
Babs is a mess of a character in Gotham, thats what happens when you have actors outstay their welcome, just like Lee. Barbara should have stayed in the sidelines as a love interest or maybe make her a reporter wink wink
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 12:53:46 GMT
Well Dick and Barbara haven't been born yet, so that might have something to do with their lack of an appearance. Yeah I was wondering about Dent too actually, Deb. Shame he's randomly out of the picture. The only thing I can think of now is, if they were to include him again, is just a cameo at the end of him being two face already. Babs is a mess of a character in Gotham, thats what happens when you have actors outstay their welcome, just like Lee. Barbara should have stayed in the sidelines as a love interest or maybe make her a reporter wink wink That is strange. I really don't get why they wrote Harvey Dent off and he has never been seen in the show again when looking back at a few of the interviews about the character it appeared they had big plans for him. They may have very well made him into Two Face since they have made so many other changes to the villains in this show and had them take on their supervillain identities before Bruce is Batman but maybe the actor was difficult to work with or was on drugs or coming in to work drunk 'cause I have heard there have been actors fired from TV shows for doing that and the actress who played Eric's Sister in 'That 70s Show' who isn't with us anymore got fired 'cause she was on drugs and was being very difficult to work with and one minute she was there and the next she was never seen again until the final season where a new actress turned up playing her. Two Face is such a big part of Batman and is one of his most popular villains so it is a major shame for the show they were never able to use him more. As for Barbara some sites are now saying she is going to reveal she is pregnant in the next episode and I can't remember what site I saw it on but they said Barbara has some big news to tell Jim that is going to change his life forever and many fans think she is pregnant with Batgirl.
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Post by BexxyJ on Feb 4, 2019 10:23:58 GMT
Well Dick and Barbara haven't been born yet, so that might have something to do with their lack of an appearance. Yeah I was wondering about Dent too actually, Deb. Shame he's randomly out of the picture. The only thing I can think of now is, if they were to include him again, is just a cameo at the end of him being two face already. Babs is a mess of a character in Gotham, thats what happens when you have actors outstay their welcome, just like Lee. Barbara should have stayed in the sidelines as a love interest or maybe make her a reporter wink wink That is strange. I really don't get why they wrote Harvey Dent off and he has never been seen in the show again when looking back at a few of the interviews about the character it appeared they had big plans for him. They may have very well made him into Two Face since they have made so many other changes to the villains in this show and had them take on their supervillain identities before Bruce is Batman but maybe the actor was difficult to work with or was on drugs or coming in to work drunk 'cause I have heard there have been actors fired from TV shows for doing that and the actress who played Eric's Sister in 'That 70s Show' who isn't with us anymore got fired 'cause she was on drugs and was being very difficult to work with and one minute she was there and the next she was never seen again until the final season where a new actress turned up playing her. Two Face is such a big part of Batman and is one of his most popular villains so it is a major shame for the show they were never able to use him more. As for Barbara some sites are now saying she is going to reveal she is pregnant in the next episode and I can't remember what site I saw it on but they said Barbara has some big news to tell Jim that is going to change his life forever and many fans think she is pregnant with Batgirl. Shouldn’t Barbara already be in Gotham now? WTF? How old is she when Bruce Wayne becomes Batman?
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Post by General Kenobi on Feb 6, 2019 14:46:43 GMT
Apparently this incarnation of the Batman mythos will not have a Batgirl. Because Jim has no children and Bruce is on the verge of becoming Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:26:19 GMT
Not necessarily, Batgirl is quite young. Like Deb said Babs senior may be pregnant. Also Dick Grayson is not around yet either so it holds up
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Post by dazz on Feb 7, 2019 13:54:25 GMT
Keep in mind this isn't a "canon" series it's an elseworlds so any prior established "facts" about the characters doesn't mean anything, even then if you think Bruce could take a decade travelling and learning how to be The Batman before he reveals himself to Gotham, which is going to be needed to pass off this Bruce growing into Batman as this kid in a batsuit isn't going to intimidate anyone, then you think 5 years for The Bat to establish himself before he takes on any kind of side kicks, gives us 15 years which is older than Dick typically is when he joins Bruce but more TV live action passable and about the same age Batgirl is, keeps Bruce relatively young but still considerably older than the two to be a father figure.
Also in some tellings of the Batman story Bruce is already Batman prior to Barbara being born and in his 30's. such as Batman: Year One the film atleast, not sure about the comics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:36:56 GMT
BexxyJ dazz @red and General Kenobi. As you all would have seen by now Barbara Kean is pregnant with Jim Gordon's baby in 'Gotham' now and the baby is obviously going to be Barbara Gordon and Barbara Kean will probably die a hero saving a lot of people and Jim will raise Barbara on his own and tell her that her Mum died a hero but never tell her she was a criminal for a number of years which would line up with some of the older continuities where Barbara's Mum is dead. Barbara Gordon's age varies in the comic books, animated shows and video games and in the 'Batgirl' comic books by Gail Simone and the 'Arkham' games Barbara was 15 in Bruce's first year as Batman and she became Batgirl when she was 18 and when she was 15 she stopped a criminal from escaping the GCPD and Batman was impressed with her doing it and the next year she saved a lot of the people living in 'Gotham' from a big flood that took many lives when Batman was away. I think they will have to make some changes with her origin story since they are having Bruce become Batman a lot earlier than he does in the comic books and with Barbara not even born yet it won't be for 18 years she becomes Batgirl.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 1, 2019 19:38:52 GMT
I guessed about the same thing. Jim and Barbara will have a girl. Barbara will die, possibly heroically, and Jim will name their daughter Barbara in her memory.
The timeline for this show is interesting compared to the comics and other film and televison depictions of Batman. It doesn't bother me, but I imagine it does some.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 12:24:54 GMT
I guessed about the same thing. Jim and Barbara will have a girl. Barbara will die, possibly heroically, and Jim will name their daughter Barbara in her memory. The timeline for this show is interesting compared to the comics and other film and televison depictions of Batman. It doesn't bother me, but I imagine it does some. Yeah. I think Barbara will die after giving birth to her daughter with the way things are looking and Jim and Lee will raise the baby and call her Barbara after her 'cause Barbara will die a hero but I am curious as to where this leaves her psychotic brother James Gordon Jr 'cause looking at all the things Barbara has done in this show since she become a villain at the end of the first season if they were to change it and make it that she has twins they could say Barbara Gordon is like her Father and James Gordon Jr is like his Mother which would fit the show perfectly since he is a psychopath. The timeline is interesting and confusing one of the biggest plotholes is there being no Kate Kane or mention of the Kane's.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 21, 2019 16:53:50 GMT
Not a plothole if they never existed in this timeline.
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