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Post by hi224 on Feb 2, 2019 18:58:06 GMT
Anyone see it at all.
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Post by Nora on Feb 2, 2019 20:04:36 GMT
I saw it it was ok but not great. they went crazily overboard with the diversity card. Made no sense historically.
but it does look good, has good acting and costumes and make up. who cares black and asian people at that time iin england wouldnt have been where the movie portrayed them to be.
actually i care. it does twist history and historical records Too much. had it been presented as a fairy tale why not.
but other than that its ok, just not great.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 2, 2019 21:27:08 GMT
I saw it it was ok but not great. they went crazily overboard with the diversity card. Made no sense historically. but it does look good, has good acting and costumes and make up. who cares black and asian people at that time iin england wouldnt have been where the movie portrayed them to be. actually i care. it does twist history and historical records Too much. had it been presented as a fairy tale why not. but other than that its ok, just not great. Historical inaccuracies aside England had a black community at that period. |
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Post by bluerisk on Feb 2, 2019 21:27:59 GMT
I saw it it was ok but not great. they went crazily overboard with the diversity card. Made no sense historically. but it does look good, has good acting and costumes and make up. who cares black and asian people at that time iin england wouldnt have been where the movie portrayed them to be. actually i care. it does twist history and historical records Too much. had it been presented as a fairy tale why not. but other than that its ok, just not great. Thx for the warning. Blu ray it is then. |
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Post by Nora on Feb 2, 2019 21:32:51 GMT
I saw it it was ok but not great. they went crazily overboard with the diversity card. Made no sense historically. but it does look good, has good acting and costumes and make up. who cares black and asian people at that time iin england wouldnt have been where the movie portrayed them to be. actually i care. it does twist history and historical records Too much. had it been presented as a fairy tale why not. but other than that its ok, just not great. Historical inaccuracies aside England had a black community at that period. yes. like 100 of black people and none of them served on the privy council. proven. the privy councel and the queen were actually fairly racist against black people as evidenced in historical records. so why twist it around? |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 2, 2019 21:45:57 GMT
I will not watch it, i have two books about Mary Queen of Scots and i rather read them again than watch a movie which is probably filled with historical inaccuracies
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Post by hi224 on Feb 2, 2019 22:25:06 GMT
Historical inaccuracies aside England had a black community at that period. yes. like 100 of black people and none of them served on the privy council. proven. the privy councel and the queen were actually fairly racist against black people as evidenced in historical records. so why twist it around? Except a large community existed and there were rumors catherine tge great herself mayve been half black. |
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Post by hi224 on Feb 3, 2019 5:03:37 GMT
also don't forget the black count as well.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Feb 3, 2019 7:07:50 GMT
I started a thread on Mary Queen of Scots last month: linkI have since viewed the film twice more in the theater, and my assessment and feelings are essentially the same. After three viewings, though, I believe that the movie's main flaw pertains less to the narrative and more to the supporting male characters. They needed more development, and without that cultivation, Mary Queen of Scots is a tad imbalanced. Still, it is one of the better releases from 2018—as I noted in that thread, I consider the movie "good/very good." Although it is very different in tone and ambition, I deem Mary Queen of Scots to be just as strong of a film as The Favourite, rendering the discrepancy in Oscar nominations (zero for the former, ten for the latter) to be perplexing. As I have noted before, I would rank these two movies as the year's two best visually, with Mary Queen of Scots being the best in terms of composition and The Favourite being the best with regard to lighting. Both films are visually exceptional in both regards, but the painterly compositions of Mary are truly remarkable. How A Star Is Born, which offers very little in the way of composition, received a Best Cinematography nomination instead of this film is absurd. Indeed, aside from some nice nighttime shots early in the film and some effective on-stage shots during the concert scenes, A Star Is Born is largely unremarkable visually, and in any event, it definitely does not compare to Mary Queen of Scots. Likewise, Saoirese Ronan's powerful and somewhat ambiguous turn as Mary deserved an Academy Award nomination—she proved better in this film than in Brooklyn and Lady Bird, movies for which she did receive nominations. Nominating Lady Gaga from A Star Is Born instead of Ronan is also ridiculous in my view—Gaga is very good and quite naturalistic in her film, and of course she sings the part as well as it could be sung, but Ronan's role as Mary is much more challenging from an acting perspective. Mary Queen of Scots also probably deserved nominations for Best Editing, Best Sound Editing, and Best Sound Mixing. But the Oscars constitute a slipshod form of assessing movies. |
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Post by Nora on Feb 3, 2019 8:59:27 GMT
yes. like 100 of black people and none of them served on the privy council. proven. the privy councel and the queen were actually fairly racist against black people as evidenced in historical records. so why twist it around? Except a large community existed and there were rumors catherine tge great herself mayve been half black. no there was not a large community in England at that time, sorry. Couple hundred of mostly captives/ slaves but thats it. Nobody documented being black in the government there at that time, sorry. Queen Elisabeth as well as the privcy council were actually Activelly against the blacks settling in Britain. Same with asian people at that time in Britain. Curiosity and mostly servants or entertainers. Not members of the government. We can wish it had been different but it would be foolish to claim it actually was since the historical records state otherwise. |
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Post by hi224 on Feb 3, 2019 16:12:09 GMT
Except a large community existed and there were rumors catherine tge great herself mayve been half black. no there was not a large community in England at that time, sorry. Couple hundred of mostly captives/ slaves but thats it. Nobody documented being black in the government there at that time, sorry. Queen Elisabeth as well as the privcy council were actually Activelly against the blacks settling in Britain. Same with asian people at that time in Britain. Curiosity and mostly servants or entertainers. Not members of the government. We can wish it had been different but it would be foolish to claim it actually was since the historical records state otherwise. Uhh i can post some stuff ive read abput the period which discusses the black communities if youd like. |
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Post by hi224 on Feb 3, 2019 16:18:37 GMT
Except a large community existed and there were rumors catherine tge great herself mayve been half black. no there was not a large community in England at that time, sorry. Couple hundred of mostly captives/ slaves but thats it. Nobody documented being black in the government there at that time, sorry. Queen Elisabeth as well as the privcy council were actually Activelly against the blacks settling in Britain. Same with asian people at that time in Britain. Curiosity and mostly servants or entertainers. Not members of the government. We can wish it had been different but it would be foolish to claim it actually was since the historical records state otherwise. Black people have migrated to england since roman era. The father of Alexandre Dumas was a black man who rose to being a ranking general in his army in france. It was actually queen Charlotte( not Catherine The Great) who likely had black portugeuse ancestry which often got downplayed by artists. Also have you heard the story of dido? They made a movie about her but she was brought up in an english aristocractic family and was educated pretty normally. Lets not forget England abolished slavery before the US did. So did France. |
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Post by hi224 on Feb 3, 2019 16:19:09 GMT
Except a large community existed and there were rumors catherine tge great herself mayve been half black. no there was not a large community in England at that time, sorry. Couple hundred of mostly captives/ slaves but thats it. Nobody documented being black in the government there at that time, sorry. Queen Elisabeth as well as the privcy council were actually Activelly against the blacks settling in Britain. Same with asian people at that time in Britain. Curiosity and mostly servants or entertainers. Not members of the government. We can wish it had been different but it would be foolish to claim it actually was since the historical records state otherwise. Oh and not everybody were slaves. |
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Post by Nora on Feb 3, 2019 17:38:16 GMT
no there was not a large community in England at that time, sorry. Couple hundred of mostly captives/ slaves but thats it. Nobody documented being black in the government there at that time, sorry. Queen Elisabeth as well as the privcy council were actually Activelly against the blacks settling in Britain. Same with asian people at that time in Britain. Curiosity and mostly servants or entertainers. Not members of the government. We can wish it had been different but it would be foolish to claim it actually was since the historical records state otherwise. Oh and not everybody were slaves. didnt say they were all slaves did i  . Ok you have sources that make you believe your argument I have mine, thats fine we can both have a diff opinion. |
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Feb 4, 2019 7:42:58 GMT
no there was not a large community in England at that time, sorry. Couple hundred of mostly captives/ slaves but thats it. Nobody documented being black in the government there at that time, sorry. Queen Elisabeth as well as the privcy council were actually Activelly against the blacks settling in Britain. Same with asian people at that time in Britain. Curiosity and mostly servants or entertainers. Not members of the government. We can wish it had been different but it would be foolish to claim it actually was since the historical records state otherwise. Black people have migrated to england since roman era. The father of Alexandre Dumas was a black man who rose to being a ranking general in his army in france. It was actually queen Charlotte( not Catherine The Great) who likely had black portugeuse ancestry which often got downplayed by artists. Also have you heard the story of dido? They made a movie about her but she was brought up in an english aristocractic family and was educated pretty normally. Lets not forget England abolished slavery before the US did. So did France.... yes, but the abolitionist movement in England emerged late in the eighteenth century, or some two hundred and fifty years after the events of this film. During the intervening centuries, English slavers and traders (along with the Spanish and Portuguese) transported millions of African slaves to the Americas. linkBased on the following article, there were indeed some black folks in Britain at this time, but they tended to occupy lower rungs of the society. (Indeed, not only was abolitionism still centuries away, but in history, many folks have opposed slavery yet also harbored racial prejudices.)
The director, Josie Rourke, seemed to make her casting decisions in this area out of concern for equal opportunity and a desire to cast who she considered the best available actors, as opposed to serving the interests of historical veracity. So featuring a black ambassador and blacks on the respective courts does appear to be an anachronism, and it is a bit distracting at times—but not enough to detract from an intense and highly engrossing film. |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 4, 2019 8:58:51 GMT
In today's world its more important being political correct and pleasing the SJW crowd than being factual accurate. I don`t think a movie based on historical events should e 100% accurate but it should be as accurate as possible. And you really don`t need to make stuff up when it comes to the life of Mary, Queen of Scots her real life was dramatic and interesting enough.
Also Saoirse Ronan is to short to play Mary, Queen of Scots. The real Mary, Queen of Scots was 180 cm tall. Saorise Ronan is only 168 cm tall.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Feb 10, 2019 4:05:45 GMT
In today's world its more important being political correct and pleasing the SJW crowd than being factual accurate. I don`t think a movie based on historical events should e 100% accurate but it should be as accurate as possible. And you really don`t need to make stuff up when it comes to the life of Mary, Queen of Scots her real life was dramatic and interesting enough. Also Saoirse Ronan is to short to play Mary, Queen of Scots. The real Mary, Queen of Scots was 180 cm tall. Saorise Ronan is only 168 cm tall. The real Mary Queen of Scots was probably around 168 cm tall following her final public appearance. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 10, 2019 15:37:28 GMT
I will not watch it, i have two books about Mary Queen of Scots and i rather read them again than watch a movie which is probably filled with historical inaccuracies To each their own, but I don't understand this mindset. For what it's worth, I'm a history buff and I loved this flick. It isn't perfect in its retelling of history but it gets at the essence of the central characters and the politics of the time. That's what you want a film such as this to do. |
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Post by politicidal on Feb 10, 2019 17:06:39 GMT
I don't watch movies or anything. Sounds like you’re in the right place. |
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Post by maxwellperfect on Feb 11, 2019 3:14:14 GMT
I enjoyed it. Visually beautiful, not just in the period costuming, but the stunning locations. Generally good, if not amazing performances all around, and it's always a pleasure to watch Saoirse Ronan. Honestly, I expected it to be very "Game of Thrones" influenced, but aside from one gruesome scene, it is a fairly bloodless movie. The one battle scene seems no more violent than a Civil War recreation battle. If the movie fell short in any way for me, I thought it lacked a properly cathartic climax (though it came close in that fictionalized meeting between Mary and Elizabeth). I found it very interesting that Mary aspired to greater power by marriage and childbirth, but those ultimately led to her downfall, while for Elizabeth it was the exact opposite.
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