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Post by lightningcat on Feb 12, 2019 19:11:23 GMT
prior to 2011 horror looked like this
Halloween remake
Nightmare On Elm Street remake
Friday The 13th remake
Paranormal Activity
Final Destination
Saw
then along comes James wan (the mastermind behind Dead Silence) and he gives a very good horror film with Insidious (at first glance this looked like a typical haunted house film that people would find at Walmart in the $5 bin maybe about a year after its release!) but it proved folks wrong and ever since then we've had
2011: Insidious
2013: Insidious Chapter 2, The Conjuring
2014: Annabelle, Ouija
2015: Insidious Chapter 3
2016: Conjuring 2, Ouija Origin Of Evil, The Witch
2017: Annabelle Creation, IT, Get Out
2018: The Nun, A Quiet Place, Halloween, Insidious the Last Key, Hereditary
all those films made big money and in a way have helped re-invent Horror as the top genre!
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Post by colaghost on Feb 12, 2019 19:15:51 GMT
I like Dead Silence. and both Ouija films. but the Insidious franchise and Conjuring universe are both nothing but cheap popcorn flicks...nothing more. I also liked The Witch & Get Out
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Post by cwsims on Feb 12, 2019 19:19:17 GMT
I thought remakes of carrie (2013) wolfman (2010) nightmare on elm street (2010) Friday the 13th (2009) rob zombies remakes of both Halloween movies (2007 and 2009). were all real good I also like the conjuring universe. both Ouija films. both Annabelle films and the insidious franchise
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Feb 12, 2019 20:15:58 GMT
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Post by James on Feb 12, 2019 20:25:03 GMT
I wouldn’t say that exactly. It’s changed yes, but not at its best.
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Post by iamrobot on Feb 12, 2019 21:05:18 GMT
I thought remakes of carrie (2013) wolfman (2010) nightmare on elm street (2010) Friday the 13th (2009) rob zombies remakes of both Halloween movies (2007 and 2009). were all real good I also like the conjuring universe. both Ouija films. both Annabelle films and the insidious franchise both Sinister films are good too friend |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 12, 2019 21:07:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:13:55 GMT
I think horror fans ask for shitty remakes and sequels. I watched The Serpent and the Rainbow last night, and it might be Wes Craven's best film. I guess it wasn't well received at the time because people were expecting Another NOES type film. The same with Halloween 3, people rejected it, so we got shitty Michael Meyers films instead of a horror anthology.
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Feb 12, 2019 21:16:27 GMT
I don't like James Wan's movies.
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Post by James on Feb 12, 2019 21:35:40 GMT
I think horror fans ask for shitty remakes and sequels. I watched The Serpent and the Rainbow last night, and it might be Wes Craven's best film. I guess it wasn't well received at the time because people were expecting Another NOES type film. The same with Halloween 3, people rejected it, so we got shitty Michael Meyers films instead of a horror anthology. They don’t ask for direct remakes, like the ones that redo the original. |
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Feb 12, 2019 21:47:02 GMT
I don't like James Wan's movies. I mean, Furious 7 was pretty good. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Feb 12, 2019 21:47:42 GMT
I think horror fans ask for shitty remakes and sequels. I watched The Serpent and the Rainbow last night, and it might be Wes Craven's best film. I guess it wasn't well received at the time because people were expecting Another NOES type film. The same with Halloween 3, people rejected it, so we got shitty Michael Meyers films instead of a horror anthology. They don’t ask for direct remakes, like the ones that redo the original. No, but they/we always show up for them. Studios know we are slaves to their IP. |
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Post by James on Feb 12, 2019 21:58:53 GMT
They don’t ask for direct remakes, like the ones that redo the original. No, but they/we always show up for them. Studios know we are slaves to their IP. Yeah and it should probably stop. I won’t go and see Pet Sematary in the theatre for that. |
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Post by colaghost on Feb 13, 2019 19:14:34 GMT
the golden age of horror passed by in the late 70s and early 80s
The Exorcist
The Omen
Halloween
Carrie
Friday The 13th
The Entity
Cujo
Nightmare On Elm Street
Poltergeist
just to name a few ^
every film getting atleast 5-6 sequels in the late 80s and early 90s is what killed the genre Halloween should've stopped at 3 films as originally planned and Nightmare On Elm Street should've been a solo stand alone film as originally planned!
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Post by lightningcat on Feb 13, 2019 19:16:08 GMT
the golden age of horror passed by in the late 70s and early 80s The Exorcist The Omen Halloween Carrie Friday The 13th The Entity Cujo Nightmare On Elm Street Poltergeist just to name a few ^ every film getting atleast 5-6 sequels in the late 80s and early 90s is what killed the genre Halloween should've stopped at 3 films as originally planned and Nightmare On Elm Street should've been a solo stand alone film as originally planned! Cujo is not a horror film. and Nightmare On Elm Street was never planned to be a one and done film |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 13, 2019 19:19:45 GMT
the golden age of horror passed by in the late 70s and early 80s The Exorcist The Omen Halloween Carrie Friday The 13th The Entity Cujo Nightmare On Elm Street Poltergeist just to name a few ^ every film getting atleast 5-6 sequels in the late 80s and early 90s is what killed the genre Halloween should've stopped at 3 films as originally planned and Nightmare On Elm Street should've been a solo stand alone film as originally planned! Cujo is not a horror film. and Nightmare On Elm Street was never planned to be a one and done film Cujo is obvioualy a horror film, and whatever Bob Shaye may have wanted Wes Craven most certainly originally planned A Nightmare on Elm Street to be a single film. |
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Post by cwsims on Feb 13, 2019 19:23:09 GMT
the golden age of horror passed by in the late 70s and early 80s The Exorcist The Omen Halloween Carrie Friday The 13th The Entity Cujo Nightmare On Elm Street Poltergeist just to name a few ^ every film getting atleast 5-6 sequels in the late 80s and early 90s is what killed the genre Halloween should've stopped at 3 films as originally planned and Nightmare On Elm Street should've been a solo stand alone film as originally planned! I was born in 1991 and I saw Cujo on tv when I was around six years old and believe there is something very scary about a huge fully rabid dog going a seemingly non-ending killing spree! so imo Cujo qualifies as Horror! as for Nightmare On Elm Street! Wes Craven said several times that he intended for Freddy to be killed off in the first film and for the film to have a happy ending instead of ending with a cliff hanger so yes again it appears he did attend for there to be no sequels for Freddy the series simply continued for the same reason as Halloween. and Friday The 13th. movie goers didn't want to see Freddy. Michael or Jason killed off! |
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Post by colaghost on Feb 13, 2019 19:26:32 GMT
Cujo is not a horror film. and Nightmare On Elm Street was never planned to be a one and done film I was born in 1991 and I saw Cujo on tv when I was around six years old and believe there is something very scary about a huge fully rabid dog going a seemingly non-ending killing spree! so imo Cujo qualifies as Horror! as for Nightmare On Elm Street! Wes Craven said several times that he intended for Freddy to be killed off in the first film and for the film to have a happy ending instead of ending with a cliff hanger so yes again it appears he did attend for there to be no sequels for Freddy the series simply continued for the same reason as Halloween. and Friday The 13th. movie goers didn't want to see Freddy. Michael or Jason killed off!This ^ |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 14, 2019 3:24:41 GMT
Are we just going to ignore the irony of James Wan reinventing the horror genre from Saw?
In any case, it was Paranormal Activity (sh"t film it may be) that made the genre what it is now. It re-popularized supernatural horror (paving the way for Insidious and The Conjuring), killed the torture genre the day it outgrossed Saw VI, and put Jason Blum on the map.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 14, 2019 3:41:05 GMT
Horror used to be reinvented by the indies.
But there are no indies anymore.
Paranormal Activity was created by a talent agent.
The possibilities for good horror exists, but it has to be free from the main distribution network since anything that isn't palatable to them will not be accepted.
Also, there is a different attitude with horror compared to other genres. With American horror (and foreign horror in general) there is an expectation to push the envelope. if it does not, it's forgettable.
Yet, if you watch giallos--which are in some sense horror films or related to them, Italy made tons of them, many of them unique, and there was no concern about pushing the envelope.
So I think the problem with horror is the lack of voices, not a lack of imagination.
Are you telling me the only people who can do horror nowadays are James Wan, Jason Blum, and Guillermo Del Toro? No one from Wisconsin or North Dakota?
Surely to God there must be people in North America who can make a decent horror film without having to have been born in another country?
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