Supergirl's Rocky Outlook

Feb 25, 2019 20:29:26 GMT stargazer1682 said:

Feb 25, 2019 20:26:07 GMT taylorfirst1 said:

Isn't every TV series on uncertain ground depending on how NEXT season performs?

I don't know, there are often a lot of shows that would have to have a serious and improbably sharp downturn from their popularity to suddenly not be a lock for renewal.

Also you have to take into account a lot more than just ratings especially domestically, a show in it's 4th season can survive a low rated season to get them a 5th just to make up syndication numbers, shows owned by the networks don't need to get ratings at the same level as shows not owned by the network to get renewed, 2 shows with the same ratings but one in it's 7th season vs. one in it's 3rd may find the younger show getting renewed because they have 2 more years usually with the cast signed on the initial contracts where as an older shows cast will usually have higher salaries and may only be signing up year to year, then you have the dreaded executive turnover, if a network gets a new CEO or whoever and they don't like a genre or a specific showrunner, well then that can spell doom for shows that should be in a safe place otherwise.

With Arrow I think it depends on how much Amell wants to keep doing it, if he's locked in the show can go for however long they want, Supergirl maybe not same for LOT which are more expensive shows to make, Supergirl is also from what I have heard is not as popular internationally as the other Arrowverse shows, which would mean the show probably brings in less than the others from international deals, suggesting it is both more expensive and less profitable to make which isn't a good thing.

Feb 26, 2019 12:43:29 GMT @deblovesbeccy said:

Ahh no offence stargazer1682 but I am not sure if I believe that and the reason being it is coming from 'We Got This Covered' and I have had a bad history with that site finding rumours that aren't true and they were the ones who claimed Batgirl and Nightwing were going to be in 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and they weren't and they also claimed Anna and Elsa were going to find out they weren't really sisters and were going to end up together instead of Elsa getting a new female character as a girlfriend and Anna was going to turn evil and kill a heap of people in 'Frozen 2' with fire power and it was going to lead to some big fight between Anna and Elsa at the end so you can understand why I am a bit cautious believing things that come from the site.

I think there is a possibility 'Arrow' will end after next season 'cause I just can't see it lasting as long as 'Smallville' as it doesn't have the fanbase 'Smallville' had and I was comparing the ratings of 'Arrow' with 'Smallville' a few days ago and at its peak 'Arrow' has only brought in what 'Smallville' got in its later seasons and I think part of the problem might have been changing to Stephen Amell instead of using Justin Hartley lost a lot of the 'Smallville' viewers who would have watched otherwise. Aside from the 'Supergirl' fans who didn't like the show 'cause it wasn't like most of the comic books there were a lot of fans of Laura Vandervoort who tuned out of 'Supergirl' 'cause they didn't get Laura Vandervoort back to play the role and some fans are very loyal to the actors.

I would say the reason for that is Smallville even in it's final years was THE superhero show, Arrow has pretty much always been just A superhero show, Smallville was the outlet for a lot of fans of the genre back then, even if you didn't like it all the time people would watch just in case, where as now and we have like a dozen superhero/cbm shows on TV right now.

Plus even more channels are now putting out original content, and how people consume stuff is different, Smallville for example didn't have DVR be as popular as it is now, Arrow for example in S1 & 2 atleast regularly recorded 1.5m additional viewers by DVR in their first week which isn't counter in the rating breakdowns, so Arrow was getting closer to 5.2m views an episode in S1 not the 3.6+ which one may think it was, then you have to consider online viewings such as on the CW site/app or whatever which isn't stated anywhere.

I do agree though it doesn't have the same weight Smallville did but Smallville was blessed with some fantastic performers who elevated the show at times, but I could see Arrow hitting 10 seasons, so long as it is popular enough to be profitable, as I heard it Arrow's US numbers bring in ad money that basically pay for the cost of the show, it's their international deals and various syndication deals that make the show money, so long as that holds I don't see them feeling a need to cancel the show, unless Amell wants to leave, then IO think they are dead. 

Mar 15, 2019 10:52:55 GMT @deblovesbeccy said:

Feb 26, 2019 13:01:20 GMT dazz said:

I would say the reason for that is Smallville even in it's final years was THE superhero show, Arrow has pretty much always been just A superhero show, Smallville was the outlet for a lot of fans of the genre back then, even if you didn't like it all the time people would watch just in case, where as now and we have like a dozen superhero/cbm shows on TV right now.

Plus even more channels are now putting out original content, and how people consume stuff is different, Smallville for example didn't have DVR be as popular as it is now, Arrow for example in S1 & 2 atleast regularly recorded 1.5m additional viewers by DVR in their first week which isn't counter in the rating breakdowns, so Arrow was getting closer to 5.2m views an episode in S1 not the 3.6+ which one may think it was, then you have to consider online viewings such as on the CW site/app or whatever which isn't stated anywhere.

I do agree though it doesn't have the same weight Smallville did but Smallville was blessed with some fantastic performers who elevated the show at times, but I could see Arrow hitting 10 seasons, so long as it is popular enough to be profitable, as I heard it Arrow's US numbers bring in ad money that basically pay for the cost of the show, it's their international deals and various syndication deals that make the show money, so long as that holds I don't see them feeling a need to cancel the show, unless Amell wants to leave, then IO think they are dead. 

Yeah. You bring up a good point there. ‘Smallville’ was the ‘Superhero show’ when I it was on TV and it didn’t have much to compete with at the time aside from the awful adaption of ‘Birds of Prey’ but I still prefer watching ‘Smallville’ over a lot of the newer superhero TV shows of today and don’t think any of them have been as good as ‘Smallville’ when it was at its peak or ‘Lois and Clark’ but ‘Lois and Clark’ had a different level of popularity no other superhero TV show has been able to achieve since despite superhero movies being very popular and the show was getting 20-30 million viewers a week in America and Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher were seen on the covers of newspapers and magazines in the 90s here ‘cause mainstream audiences loved it. They were talking about how popular it was back when they had Dean Cain on ‘Sunrise’ and many people forgot just how big of a show it was or aren’t old enough to know.

‘Smallville’ was historic for Superman ‘cause it marked the first time we got to see a lot of his villains on screen for the first time and villains like Braniac, Bizarrio, Doomsday, Darksied, Metallio, Maxima, Deadshot, Deathstroke, Black Manta, Solomon Grundy etc all got their first live action adaptions on the show and we also got to see superheroes like the Green Arrow, Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Aquaman, Cyborg, Black Canary, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Stargirl, Hawkman, Saturn Girl etc – many of which had never been used on screen before either and while not all their versions were fantastic and the Silver Banshee was a good example of a poorly handled one and Solomon Grundy and Black Manta’s appearances for very short it was good to see many of them finally getting used and Justin Hartley’s portrayal of the Green Arrow made the character go from being one of DC’s lesser known heroes to one of their most well known and popular and boosted the character’s popularity big time.

You bring up a good point about DVR and I didn’t know they counted that now but there were heaps of people recording before those things came out and I used to record TV shows on VHS when I went out the nights they were on and wasn’t going to be home to see them and people also recorded a lot of TV shows with DVD Recorders and it would be interesting to see the statistics for the recorded TV shows in the 90s and 00s ‘cause the amount of people I knew that taped shows on VHS tapes or just videos as we used to call them was a lot but they couldn’t count VHS recordings. With ratings I heard our ratings are off here ‘cause they only count homes in certain areas and many aren’t counted and I am not sure how they do it in America but if it’s like it is here a lot of shows which have lower ratings might actually be a lot higher than what people think.

Now we know that ‘Arrow’ is cancelled which one of the remaining shows do you think will last the longest and will end next? I think ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ will be the one that ends next but I am not sure if ‘The Flash’ or Supergirl’ will last the longest. 

I would say Supergirl could be the next on the chop. it isn't as popular internationally as the other shows are because Supergirl is more plotical specifically US influenced political, where as all the other Arrowverse shows are regularly among the most pirated shows of the month and year Supergirl has failed to make the list a number of times.

Also it and Legends are the most expensive shows to make, but Legends has shorter seasons to offset that, and a built in rotation of characters set up, so they don't need to worry if actors want to leave because the show isn't built specifically around one character, and apart from Ray, Mick & Sara no one else is a staple of the show, but then Mick isn't used that much, Ray is often overlooked, Sara is the biggest staple but imo she's not irreplaceable.

Flash I could see lasting 10 seasons if the cast want it too, it's also got the legacy value where enough people know the other Flashes that if they wanted to they could try and replace Grant/Barry with a ginger Wally or a future Bart, even if it is just to eek out an extra season or 2.