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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 4, 2019 1:17:36 GMT
For the most part, I only see teen and adult LGBTQ characters. If people are born with various sexual orientations and sexual identities, wouldn't it make sense for Hollywood to show more of these characters as children in movies and TV shows? Although I wouldn't care to try to "make sense" of what film makers choose to show in so-called Hollywood movies, it's a fact of life that children of the age range specified can experience feelings of attraction long before they begin understanding sexuality. A cinematic illustration from nearly 30 years ago seems apt: If that's permissible, I see no reason that similar scenes between two girls or boys shouldn't be equally so. Some would inevitably get their hair on fire over such a depiction, but there's no shortage of those who'd do so even if the characters were of more mature years.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 4, 2019 3:53:12 GMT
Lowly breeder?  If it weren't for "lowly breeders", such as your parents or mine, none of us would be here. I use that term for a reason. Heterosexuals always do what you just did, try to use your reproduction as a trump card of superiority. Sorry, reproduction by itself doesn't make you more important to society. There are plenty of deadbeat dads and abusive parents who prove that. I'm merely saying breeding is not anyone's most important contribution to society. There's a reason why people - not just heterosexuals - might point out that reproduction is an important factor that effects all of us. Because it does. You may wish to deny that, as is your right, but then you would simply be trying to deny reality. Although I do almost agree with your point of view. I do think that "breeding" and raising another Human is the single most important contribution an individual can make to society, it is not the only very important contribution that they can make. And of course, an individual who has not directly contributed to the breeding stage can still contribute to the raising stage of a Human. This is certainly the much more extended and important part of the process. And for the record, I was not a deadbeat dad. I had the privilege of being a single dad.  However, the point I was making is I think it might be a bit of an overreaction to blame an entire orientation for the bad behaviour of one individual who might or might not be a member of that orientation. Surely it would be more accurate and fair to hold the actual individual in question responsible and not simply a vast number of people who were not involved. I've run into individuals of various orientations over the years. Some were very nice people and some were considerably less so. However, it would've been grossly uncivilized and unfair of me to blame innocent people who shared the same orientation as those who had caused offense. Before I finish, I'd just like to say that if I have in any way angered or upset you,then I freely apologize. That was certainly not my intention. I was simply curious about your approach and attitude to the insults of another poster and wished to engage you in a conversation about it. Thank you for your time and attention. All the best. 
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 4, 2019 4:02:46 GMT
Lowly breeder? If it weren't for "lowly breeders", such as your parents or mine, none of us would be here. Gays are not represented very well on this site. Look at the both of them with that "breeders" nonsense. They have problems. Very angry people. 1. I have to admit I have absolutely no idea about the ratios of different sexual orientations that are represented on this website. And I can't say I consider it necessary. 2. Have you considered the possibility that they might have very good reasons for sometimes feeling angry or upset? I doubt their sexual orientation is the cause. 3. I've met many people on this website who give the impression of being very angry people. And I seriously doubt that they were all of the same sexual orientation.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 4, 2019 4:22:29 GMT
There's a reason why people - not just heterosexuals - might point out that reproduction is an important factor that effects all of us. Because it does. You may wish to deny that, as is your right, but then you would simply be trying to deny reality. Although I do almost agree with your point of view. I do think that "breeding" and raising another Human is the single most important contribution an individual can make to society, it is not the only very important contribution that they can make. And of course, an individual who has not directly contributed to the breeding stage can still contribute to the raising stage of a Human. This is certainly the much more extended and important part of the process. And for the record, I was not a deadbeat dad. I had the privilege of being a single dad. However, the point I was making is I think it might be a bit of an overreaction to blame an entire orientation for the bad behaviour of one individual who might or might not be a member of that orientation. Surely it would be more accurate and fair to hold the actual individual in question responsible and not simply a vast number of people who were not involved. I've run into individuals of various orientations over the years. Some were very nice people and some were considerably less so. However, it would've been grossly uncivilized and unfair of me to blame innocent people who shared the same orientation as those who had caused offense. Before I finish, I'd just like to say that if I have in any way angered or upset you,then I freely apologize. That was certainly not my intention. I was simply curious about your approach and attitude to the insults of another poster and wished to engage you in a conversation about it. Thank you for your time and attention. All the best. I just like to put the shoe on the other foot sometimes, so to speak. No, I certainly don't think less of heterosexuals than gays. I have great parents and great siblings and lots of wonderful nieces and nephews they actually "bred". Heterosexuals are never put on the spot about their sexuality. I do it sometimes in more an impish way. And straights do get angry about it. Maybe it's just my own perverse way of giving them a lesson in tolerance. But I am sorry if you were offended by the term. It's just a rhetorical ploy to make discussions more interesting. I think many people are at some point "put on the spot" about their sexuality, but it is individuals who don't fall into the heterosexual classification who suffer adversely because of it. And I realize how appallingly inadequate that previous sentence was in describing the verbal, physical and psychological abuse - and much worse - that has been inflicted upon these victims by society at large. And please don't concern yourself. I wasn't offended or upset, just curious... It's always been a weakness of mine. Of course, if we don't occasionally give in to our curiosity, we never get to meet new people or learn new information... And what fun would that be?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 4, 2019 4:27:42 GMT
Could you tell your story at a 9 or 10 year old's point of view? I can't relate to the story itself, but I can illustrate a children's book if there is someone who can coach me on surroundings, facial expressions, social settings, etc. I've been published, and one of the licensed properties I worked on was Rainbow Brite, where all the kids were different races, and had different personalities, but that was a story that involved magic and a horse that could fly. I'd need coaching on a real-life scenario. I don't know if I could write a story. But people have to understand that kids with homosexual attractions have them as early as kindergarten. And of course it's not sexual at that age. But I had crushes on both little boys and little girls. And I knew I could tell my mom and sisters about the little girls I liked. But somehow I knew by instinct I dare not say I liked a boy. I'm talking when I was 5 years old. They thought my girl crushes were cute. They didn't know about my boy crushes. I think that might be a good angle, schoolboy crushes, because it has nothing to do with sex. Writing is a skill that not everyone has, just like illustrating, so I understand - I had to ask, though. Perhaps I can find a writer to come up with a story, then run it by you and others for input. I have another book in my head, but since it relates to my childhood, I think I can write it myself. There just needs to be more information out there about diversity of all kinds for children. If we are going to survive as a species in a global environment, we have to develop the ability to empathize. I do like the schoolboy crush angle, it does have an innocence to it. And, just FYI, I didn't breed - my family history had abuse in it, and I wanted to stop the cycle, also by instinct. I'm glad I did.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 4, 2019 6:48:02 GMT
There's a reason why people - not just heterosexuals - might point out that reproduction is an important factor that effects all of us. Because it does. You may wish to deny that, as is your right, but then you would simply be trying to deny reality. Although I do almost agree with your point of view. I do think that "breeding" and raising another Human is the single most important contribution an individual can make to society, it is not the only very important contribution that they can make. And of course, an individual who has not directly contributed to the breeding stage can still contribute to the raising stage of a Human. This is certainly the much more extended and important part of the process. And for the record, I was not a deadbeat dad. I had the privilege of being a single dad. However, the point I was making is I think it might be a bit of an overreaction to blame an entire orientation for the bad behaviour of one individual who might or might not be a member of that orientation. Surely it would be more accurate and fair to hold the actual individual in question responsible and not simply a vast number of people who were not involved. I've run into individuals of various orientations over the years. Some were very nice people and some were considerably less so. However, it would've been grossly uncivilized and unfair of me to blame innocent people who shared the same orientation as those who had caused offense. Before I finish, I'd just like to say that if I have in any way angered or upset you,then I freely apologize. That was certainly not my intention. I was simply curious about your approach and attitude to the insults of another poster and wished to engage you in a conversation about it. Thank you for your time and attention. All the best. I just like to put the shoe on the other foot sometimes, so to speak. No, I certainly don't think less of heterosexuals than gays. I have great parents and great siblings and lots of wonderful nieces and nephews they actually "bred". I feel so emotional in a divine sort of way after reading those words. You are an angel, Gameboy. 
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 4, 2019 12:58:38 GMT
Gays are not represented very well on this site. Look at the both of them with that "breeders" nonsense. They have problems. Very angry people. 1. I have to admit I have absolutely no idea about the ratios of different sexual orientations that are represented on this website. And I can't say I consider it necessary. 2. Have you considered the possibility that they might have very good reasons for sometimes feeling angry or upset? I doubt their sexual orientation is the cause. 3. I've met many people on this website who give the impression of being very angry people. And I seriously doubt that they were all of the same sexual orientation. No one on this thread did anything to them. Their anger towards anyone on this thread is 100% misguided. I don't give a fuck if someone else did something to them, that has nothing to do with you, me, or this conversation.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 4, 2019 13:26:50 GMT
1. I have to admit I have absolutely no idea about the ratios of different sexual orientations that are represented on this website. And I can't say I consider it necessary. 2. Have you considered the possibility that they might have very good reasons for sometimes feeling angry or upset? I doubt their sexual orientation is the cause. 3. I've met many people on this website who give the impression of being very angry people. And I seriously doubt that they were all of the same sexual orientation. No one on this thread did anything to them. Their anger towards anyone on this thread is 100% misguided. I don't give a fuck if someone else did something to them, that has nothing to do with you, me, or this conversation. No post exists in isolation on a thread. No thread exists in isolation on a forum. No forum exists in isolation on the internet. Everything is interconnected... You are free to disagree with me, just as I disagree with you. And from what I've witnessed of your online behaviour, you seem to have purposefully gone out of your way to be as nasty and rude as you can, when there simply wasn't any need to.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 4, 2019 13:37:55 GMT
No one on this thread did anything to them. Their anger towards anyone on this thread is 100% misguided. I don't give a fuck if someone else did something to them, that has nothing to do with you, me, or this conversation. You are free to disagree with me, just as I disagree with you. And from what I've witnessed of your online behaviour, you seem to have purposefully gone out of your way to be as nasty and rude as you can, when there simply wasn't any need to. Nonsense.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 4, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
No post exists in isolation on a thread. No thread exists in isolation on a forum. No forum exists in isolation on the internet. Everything is interconnected...You are free to disagree with me, just as I disagree with you. And from what I've witnessed of your online behaviour, you seem to have purposefully gone out of your way to be as nasty and rude as you can, when there simply wasn't any need to. Nonsense. As I said, you are free to disagree with me, just as I disagree with you.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 4, 2019 14:56:05 GMT
As I said, you are free to disagree with me, just as I disagree with you. Ant-mac, you are a gentleman and a scholar. kuatorises, you are as nasty as your avatar looks. Onto 'ignore' you go, and I am free to do so.
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Post by audiosane on Mar 5, 2019 5:34:24 GMT
Kuato… I knew we had sharp disagreements on a number of subjects, but I always thought you were better than this. Better than what? I'm just using his own words. He admittedly gets blowjobs in public bathrooms:
He's a fucking slob.
As far as your first response, well I was kidding, but you did say:
Kids used to ride their bikes, play with toys, hell even video games are fine. But you want to see their "orientations" explored. I'm as straight as it gets and thought girls were gross when I was a kid. I don't want to see jack shit about kids - of any orientation - and sex. Get outta here with that shit.
"Better than what? I'm just using his own words. He admittedly gets blowjobs in public bathrooms... " Better than to make light of someone's sexual orientation. "As far as your first response, well I was kidding, but you did say: Kids used to ride their bikes, play with toys, hell even video games are fine. But you want to see their "orientations" explored. I'm as straight as it gets and thought girls were gross when I was a kid. I don't want to see jack shit about kids - of any orientation - and sex. Get outta here with that shit." Kids also developed crushes and talked about cooties. I had my first crush on a girl in kindergarten. Had nothing to do with sex. I thought you intelligent enough to get that, whether or not you agreed gay and lesbian kids should get similar representation in media. I know not every kid has the same experience. Just curious. How old were you before you were interested in girls?
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 5, 2019 14:32:09 GMT
Better than what? I'm just using his own words. He admittedly gets blowjobs in public bathrooms:
He's a fucking slob.
As far as your first response, well I was kidding, but you did say:
Kids used to ride their bikes, play with toys, hell even video games are fine. But you want to see their "orientations" explored. I'm as straight as it gets and thought girls were gross when I was a kid. I don't want to see jack shit about kids - of any orientation - and sex. Get outta here with that shit.
"Better than what? I'm just using his own words. He admittedly gets blowjobs in public bathrooms... " Better than to make light of someone's sexual orientation.
"As far as your first response, well I was kidding, but you did say: Kids used to ride their bikes, play with toys, hell even video games are fine. But you want to see their "orientations" explored. I'm as straight as it gets and thought girls were gross when I was a kid. I don't want to see jack shit about kids - of any orientation - and sex. Get outta here with that shit." Kids also developed crushes and talked about cooties. I had my first crush on a girl in kindergarten. Had nothing to do with sex. I thought you intelligent enough to get that, whether or not you agreed gay and lesbian kids should get similar representation in media. I know not every kid has the same experience. Just curious. How old were you before you were interested in girls? I didn't make fun of his orientation, I was commenting on his disgusting behavior in public places.
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Post by audiosane on Mar 5, 2019 22:27:48 GMT
"Better than what? I'm just using his own words. He admittedly gets blowjobs in public bathrooms... " Better than to make light of someone's sexual orientation.
"As far as your first response, well I was kidding, but you did say: Kids used to ride their bikes, play with toys, hell even video games are fine. But you want to see their "orientations" explored. I'm as straight as it gets and thought girls were gross when I was a kid. I don't want to see jack shit about kids - of any orientation - and sex. Get outta here with that shit." Kids also developed crushes and talked about cooties. I had my first crush on a girl in kindergarten. Had nothing to do with sex. I thought you intelligent enough to get that, whether or not you agreed gay and lesbian kids should get similar representation in media. I know not every kid has the same experience. Just curious. How old were you before you were interested in girls? I didn't make fun of his orientation, I was commenting on his disgusting behavior in public places. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. What's your response to this? "Kids also developed crushes and talked about cooties. I had my first crush on a girl in kindergarten. Had nothing to do with sex. I thought you intelligent enough to get that, whether or not you agreed gay and lesbian kids should get similar representation in media. I know not every kid has the same experience. Just curious. How old were you before you were interested in girls?"
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 9, 2019 18:09:45 GMT
Yes, it would be of immense help to queer children to see themselves and their concerns addressed. Most of them are hiding their feelings from family for fear of rejection. I know from my own childhood that it would have helped me to get some information on this topic. When I was about 10 years old I started to realize that I was one of these "fags" people despised and joked about. I even asked my older sister "what's a homosexual?" She told me it was a man who dresses up like a woman. Lol and  at the standard ignorance. Needless to say I was mortified because I wanted no part of that. It would have helped me to see other 'gay' children in media. What answer would you have preferred from your sister, or from anyone answering that question from a 10 year old? Just curious...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 9, 2019 19:33:35 GMT
What answer would you have preferred from your sister, or from anyone answering that question from a 10 year old? Just curious... Well the idea that gay males want to be women is just absurd. I was apoplectic. I thought, I know I get crushes on other boys, but I don't wanna dress like a girl or act like a girl. I was a 10-year-old boy. I hated girls. I would have preferred she told me that homosexuals are people who have sex with the same sex. Interesting. What do you say to the idea that she framed her answer quite how she did because of the assumption that a ten year old doesn't have the emotional cushion to fully understand the implications of people who have sex with the same sex, or even just sex, period?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 12, 2019 17:28:35 GMT
Interesting. What do you say to the idea that she framed her answer quite how she did because of the assumption that a ten year old doesn't have the emotional cushion to fully understand the implications of people who have sex with the same sex, or even just sex, period? Oh sex doesn't have to be brought in to it. It should have been put in terms like homosexuals are men who love men and women who love women. I'm just saying her answer about men who dress like women just caused confusion. Good answer. Thank you.
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