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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 4, 2017 4:49:20 GMT
The bar was set high for the Hobbit Trilogy. Too high, I believe. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though, it just means we got a damn good LotR Trilogy. These expectations kind of crushed the Hobbit Trilogy, but only one of the three deserved it (I loathed Battle of the Five Armies).
Those first two movies deserve a second chance, though. They were good in their own right and even great in many cases. If you take a look at An Unexpected Journey and The Desolation of Smaug with a new expectation, these movies are superb. I'm not saying to lower expectations, just shift them. Act like it's all the same as what separates the books: tone and characters. Once you realize that, these Hobbit movies become far better. Anyway, tell me if you agree or if I'm being too generous to Jackson.
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Post by miike80 on Apr 4, 2017 9:33:30 GMT
The bar was set high for the Hobbit Trilogy. Too high, I believe. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though, it just means we got a damn good LotR Trilogy. These expectations kind of crushed the Hobbit Trilogy, but only one of the three deserved it (I loathed Battle of the Five Armies). Those first two movies deserve a second chance, though. They were good in their own right and even great in many cases. If you take a look at An Unexpected Journey and The Desolation of Smaug with a new expectation, these movies are superb. I'm not saying to lower expectations, just shift them. Act like it's all the same as what separates the books: tone and characters. Once you realize that, these Hobbit movies become far better. Anyway, tell me if you agree or if I'm being too generous to Jackson. I actually really like The Desolation of Smaug, and I'm ok with Unexpected Journey... However I find The Battle of 5 armies to be an ugly mess |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 5, 2017 4:43:10 GMT
First one felt like a slog to me, but I'd be willing to give it another shot someday.
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Post by bb15 on Apr 9, 2017 20:21:18 GMT
I actually really like The Desolation of Smaug, and I'm ok with Unexpected Journey... However I find The Battle of 5 armies to be an ugly mess My view is similar. - Unexpected Journey is OK. It has some excellent moments blended in with silly schlock. But overall not bad. - Desolation of Smaug was my favorite for a while. Still the ending with the fight in Lonely Mountain was a stretch of the story because Jackson was running out of material because the studio at the last minute insisted that the two movies for The Hobbit had to be 3 films. But the movie was mostly enjoyable because I ignored the Tauriel/Kili romance. I just couldn't believe that it was true.
But Battle of the Five armies forced me to accept it. And that hurt my view of DOS.
- Battle of the Five Armies has story stretching throughout the entire movie.
And the Tauriel/Kili romance becomes central to the story which imo undercuts the strength of her character.
It's the worst of the 3 to me.
* I own these movies on disk. If I were going to watch any of them again, today I'd probably just stick to Unexpected Journey and stop there.
Imo at least, BB ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 3:24:46 GMT
My expectations were quite reasonable. The film trilogy just sucked. Pure and simple. They weren't even using dialogue from the book by the second film and the characters stopped resembling themselves roughly halfway through. No, I won't separate them from the books. I waited literally my whole life to see The Hobbit faithfully translated to the screen and I was promised by Peter Jackson in his several interviews we were getting three films so they could fit everything from the book in only to be betrayed when the films butchered the material. Peter Hackson just needs to die and to go Hell for ruining my first love in the world of literature.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 2:25:28 GMT
I agree quite a bit. I throughly enjoy the first two despite their many flaws but I just hate BotFA. I wonder what a two parter would've been like. I really think it could've been a highly praised adaptation if they had gone that route instead.
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Post by camimac on Apr 14, 2017 2:34:15 GMT
I think you could like the Hobbit movies better if you don't compare them to the LOTR trilogy, but it is hard not to since they are set in the same universe and have some of the same characters. One of the many things I liked about LOTR is it did not take much to suspend your sense of disbelief when watching those movies. You can believe they happened. Don't get me wrong, I like the hobbit movies, especially the desolation of smaug and the battle of the five armies, I am such a King Thranduil fan, but he's not the only reason I like those movies, but unlike LOTR, I can't lose myself in those movies. There is too much of a cartoon element to those movies to believe that any of that could have actually happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 19:57:31 GMT
I think you could like the Hobbit movies better if you don't compare them to the LOTR trilogy, but it is hard not to since they are set in the same universe and have some of the same characters. One of the many things I liked about LOTR is it did not take much to suspend your sense of disbelief when watching those movies. You can believe they happened. Don't get me wrong, I like the hobbit movies, especially the desolation of smaug and the battle of the five armies, I am such a King Thranduil fan, but he's not the only reason I like those movies, but unlike LOTR, I can't lose myself in those movies. There is too much of a cartoon element to those movies to believe that any of that could have actually happened. If they didn't want us to compare them to The LotR films, they wouldn't have made it a trilogy and they wouldn't have tried to make it as much like them as possible. So no, I'm not going to stop comparing the two. |
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