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Post by Johnny-Come-Lately on Mar 10, 2019 5:02:03 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Mar 11, 2019 4:35:33 GMT
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Post by No_Socks_Here on Mar 11, 2019 10:23:57 GMT
This question assumes that I ever liked it at all! ::puke::
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Mar 11, 2019 13:48:04 GMT
Never liked it.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 12, 2019 17:51:18 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Mar 12, 2019 18:01:58 GMT
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Post by kingslayer on Mar 12, 2019 18:13:14 GMT
I don't think I've ever heard it before. On first hearing though I'm rather bored. Certainly its no "Billie Jean". Never been much of a MJ fan though.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 12, 2019 18:22:43 GMT
I don't think I've ever heard it before. On first hearing though I'm rather bored. Certainly its no "Billie Jean". Never been much of a MJ fan though. What's a matter for you? You don't like pedophiles? Aaaaaawwwww . . . |
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Post by kingslayer on Mar 12, 2019 18:38:12 GMT
I don't think I've ever heard it before. On first hearing though I'm rather bored. Certainly its no "Billie Jean". Never been much of a MJ fan though. What's a matter for you? You don't like pedophiles? Aaaaaawwwww . . . I have to wonder if people actually stop listening to Michael if they were a fan because of the recent documentary. Do people stop watching The Usual Suspects because of Kevin Spacey? Chinatown because of Roman Polanski? Or are these people just virtue signaling? I'm certainly not going to stop watching or listening to good media because the artist turned out to have serious personal issues. Art can still be enjoyed.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 12, 2019 18:40:04 GMT
What's a matter for you? You don't like pedophiles? Aaaaaawwwww . . . I have to wonder if people actually stop listening to Michael if they were a fan because of the recent documentary. Do people stop watching The Usual Suspects because of Kevin Spacey? Chinatown because of Roman Polanski? Or are these people just virtue signaling? I'm certainly not going to stop watching or listening to good media because the artist turned out to have serious personal issues. Art can still be enjoyed. I agree. Me neither. I am still going to enjoy good entertainment regardless of the artists' perversions. |
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Post by Ass_E9 on Mar 12, 2019 22:16:44 GMT
I prefer his earlier, funnier songs.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 13, 2019 2:39:36 GMT
What's a matter for you? You don't like pedophiles? Aaaaaawwwww . . . I have to wonder if people actually stop listening to Michael if they were a fan because of the recent documentary. Do people stop watching The Usual Suspects because of Kevin Spacey? Chinatown because of Roman Polanski? Or are these people just virtue signaling? I'm certainly not going to stop watching or listening to good media because the artist turned out to have serious personal issues. Art can still be enjoyed.
The difference is that movies have much more to them than one person. Another difference is that when you see an actor like Kevin Spacey in a movie he is playing a character and so it is easier to separate it from the actor himself. Songs are usually associated with one specific individual and I think are often seen as a direct reflection of the singer.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 13, 2019 3:09:36 GMT
The difference is that movies have much more to them than one person. Another difference is that when you see an actor like Kevin Spacey in a movie he is playing a character and so it is easier to separate it from the actor himself. Songs are usually associated with one specific individual and I think are often seen as a direct reflection of the singer. In general one must separate the artist from the art. William Burroughs murdered his wife. J. D. Salinger was a pedophile. Mozart was an asshole. That's no reflection on their work. 1. Don't tell me what I have to do, even though I generally do separate the art from the artist. Sometimes it is impossible for me though. The thought of a person's actions in real life can make it impossible for some people to enjoy their art. 2. I don't think many people are even aware of some of the horrible things some of these people did. 3. Are you seriously throwing in someone being an asshole with pedophilia and murder? 4. You seemed to miss the point I was making.
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Post by someguy on Mar 13, 2019 3:47:01 GMT
In general, I have no problem separating the art from the artist, but in this case it's a moot point because I always thought that was one of his lamer songs. When it comes to Michael's overly preachy, overly emotional, church choir in the background songs, "Man in the Mirror" was the only one I was really a fan of.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 13, 2019 3:55:27 GMT
1. Don't tell me what I have to do, even though I generally do separate the art from the artist. Sometimes it is impossible for me though. The thought of a person's actions in real life can make it impossible for some people to enjoy their art. 2. I don't think many people are even aware of some of the horrible things some of these people did. 3. Are you seriously throwing in someone being an asshole with pedophilia and murder? 4. You seemed to miss the point I was making. Jeezus. I'm not telling you what to do. You did call Michael Jackson a pedophile when he was acquitted and the greedy parents who accused him were after money, not justice. If my child was molested no amount of money would make me not press criminal charges. All the accusers have been soundly repudiated. Guys like Macauley Culkin who are after nothing say he never touched them. I was joking about Mozart. The point is I don't care about his personal life. I know what you are saying, but there are certain things my mind can't look past. Yes, Michael Jackson was aquitted but I hear the documentary is pretty hard to ignore. With that being said, of course it is possible that he is innocent and that the accusations and documentary are all just attempts to get some of the spotlight. But it is also possible that he was a pedophile. If your child was molested there is no amount of money that could make you look past it, but there are many greedy people out there who will look past ANYTHING for the right amount of money.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 13, 2019 4:34:33 GMT
I know what you are saying, but there are certain things my mind can't look past. Yes, Michael Jackson was aquitted but I hear the documentary is pretty hard to ignore. With that being said, of course it is possible that he is innocent and that the accusations and documentary are all just attempts to get some of the spotlight. But it is also possible that he was a pedophile. If your child was molested there is no amount of money that could make you look past it, but there are many greedy people out there who will look past ANYTHING for the right amount of money. I haven't seen the new documentary. I was like most everyone and just assumed Jackson was a pedo because he was so weird. But if you look at all the accusers they were all motivated by money. There was a thread about the housekeeper recently. She too was sued by Jackson for stealing. They all have motives to lie. At this point I lean in the direction he was innocent. I agree that there are a lot of things that don't seem to add up.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 13, 2019 5:04:54 GMT
No, but then, I never did.
I'm not a fan of MJ.
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Post by kingslayer on Mar 14, 2019 22:31:25 GMT
I have to wonder if people actually stop listening to Michael if they were a fan because of the recent documentary. Do people stop watching The Usual Suspects because of Kevin Spacey? Chinatown because of Roman Polanski? Or are these people just virtue signaling? I'm certainly not going to stop watching or listening to good media because the artist turned out to have serious personal issues. Art can still be enjoyed.
The difference is that movies have much more to them than one person. Another difference is that when you see an actor like Kevin Spacey in a movie he is playing a character and so it is easier to separate it from the actor himself. Songs are usually associated with one specific individual and I think are often seen as a direct reflection of the singer. I can see that. Being able to see other people involved in a film makes it easier to downplay the wrong that one of the people on screen might have done. If they are one of the leads though I'm not sure how well that works.
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