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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 5:36:00 GMT
Fair enough. But let me make a counter-argument here: Thor has grown a lot since the first movie we've seen him in. He isn't as easily fooled nowadays as he was back then (as Loki found out in Ragnarok). He's also went through a lot of trials and tribulations, certainly harder than anything we've seen Carol go through, and come out of it stronger than before. You'll need/want that kind of grit in a leader. He's also shown that he can make hard decisions when necessary. Whether that means sparing your enemies (Frost Giant home world), killing your enemies without mercy (Kroenen in TDW), making allies of your enemies (Loki) or even destroying your home world for the greater good of all (Ragnarok). I don't think we've seen Captain Marvel tackle any decisions that tough yet. Thor has also proven he can lead a troupe in battle (Warriors 3, Revengers) whereas we have yet to see that from Carol and has also shown he can work properly with a team if necessary (Avengers). Then of course, he's a lot more experienced and knowledgeable and isn't suffering from memory loss. He also seems more likeable. I allowed that he's a fine battle commander, indeed Cap used him in that capacity in Age of Ultron, but let's talk about the 'Revengers' for a minute. He did put together a team to fight Hela but forgot the spaceship. Had Loki not shown up then all of his people would have perished when he employed his scorched-Asgard strategy, and he'd have had no reinforcements--and he just left the rest there as opposed to recruiting them. When he lost to Thanos and needed new ordnance he didn't think of trying to enlist the Guardians in the struggle, he was prepared to filch their pod and leave them. Had not the Raccoon decided to come with and bring Groot he would have failed to acquire a new hammer. He doesn't think very far ahead and rushes into things as he's headstrong. He spent 1500 years on Asgard and never managed to figure out that Odin had covered up the past and Hela showing up was a complete surprise.
Carol on the other hand managed to determine that what she'd been told about the war was false and quickly put together a team to deny them their prize and succeeded in saving her planet. That they couldn't breath vacuum and were powerless ('cept the cat) only means she used them in the correct capacity. She's only had one movie so I don't have much to draw off that I haven't mentioned but would just add that likability is not necessarily a defining quality in a leader, Cap Am doesn't put it first like when he found out Natasha had a clandestine mission on the boat or when he realized she pilfered his thumbdrive. However I gotta wonder, what did you find so unlikable about CM? She seemed nice enough to me, considering the context.
The examples you gave about Thor "not thinking too far ahead" are things that he could not have forseen at all. For example, he was planning to get Stormbreaker on his own because he had no idea that Nidaverlir was already broken. How was he supposed to know Thanos had already been there and decimated everyone? When he didn't bring the spaceship to fight Hela, no one in their right mind would have figured they'd need to destroy Asgard. That was some quick last minute thinking on Thor's part, impossible to have planned ahead. He took what he had at the moment and made the best out of it. In comparison, Captain Marvel never had to deal with such drastic scenarios as Thor did. She never went up against an unbeatable foe that required her to sacrifice her entire environment to defeat. She never had to travel somewhere only to find it was already destroyed when she got there. She'd never had to deal with an older sister that her father had kept secret from her. Etc. Not saying CM hasn't had difficulties in her life, but she hasn't faced anywhere near as much challenges as Thor has. It may seem that CM has a cleaner record, but that's also because the challenges she's faced are nowhere near as complex as the ones Thor has. As for likeability, of course it's a good asset in a leader. Your teammates will be more willing to follow your orders and lay down their lives for you if they like you. Also less chance of mutiny. And while I don't find Carol unlikeable, she's nowhere near as charismatic, fun and likeable as Thor is. She's just... ok.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 19, 2019 13:25:36 GMT
I haven't seen Capt. Marvel, but I would have to really like her in order for it to be her. I have a problem with a brand-new character stepping in and becoming a focal point. I hope that she doesn't come in and single-handedly defeat Thanos. Something about that rubs me the wrong way.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 19, 2019 13:37:23 GMT
I haven't seen Capt. Marvel, but I would have to really like her in order for it to be her. I have a problem with a brand-new character stepping in and becoming a focal point. I hope that she doesn't come in and single-handedly defeat Thanos. Something about that rubs me the wrong way. There's no way they would ever do this. Fiege and the Russos aren't hacks, they aren't going to throw out everything the MCU has been building over the last 11 years just so they can force a new character down the audience's throat. What do you think this is, Star Wars?
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 19, 2019 13:47:34 GMT
I haven't seen Capt. Marvel, but I would have to really like her in order for it to be her. I have a problem with a brand-new character stepping in and becoming a focal point. I hope that she doesn't come in and single-handedly defeat Thanos. Something about that rubs me the wrong way. There's no way they would ever do this. Fiege and the Russos aren't hacks, they aren't going to throw out everything the MCU has been building over the last 11 years just so they can force a new character down the audience's throat. What do you think this is, Star Wars? Fiege has been saying an awful lot lately about her that has me concerned.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 19, 2019 17:28:07 GMT
I allowed that he's a fine battle commander, indeed Cap used him in that capacity in Age of Ultron, but let's talk about the 'Revengers' for a minute. He did put together a team to fight Hela but forgot the spaceship. Had Loki not shown up then all of his people would have perished when he employed his scorched-Asgard strategy, and he'd have had no reinforcements--and he just left the rest there as opposed to recruiting them. When he lost to Thanos and needed new ordnance he didn't think of trying to enlist the Guardians in the struggle, he was prepared to filch their pod and leave them. Had not the Raccoon decided to come with and bring Groot he would have failed to acquire a new hammer. He doesn't think very far ahead and rushes into things as he's headstrong. He spent 1500 years on Asgard and never managed to figure out that Odin had covered up the past and Hela showing up was a complete surprise.
Carol on the other hand managed to determine that what she'd been told about the war was false and quickly put together a team to deny them their prize and succeeded in saving her planet. That they couldn't breath vacuum and were powerless ('cept the cat) only means she used them in the correct capacity. She's only had one movie so I don't have much to draw off that I haven't mentioned but would just add that likability is not necessarily a defining quality in a leader, Cap Am doesn't put it first like when he found out Natasha had a clandestine mission on the boat or when he realized she pilfered his thumbdrive. However I gotta wonder, what did you find so unlikable about CM? She seemed nice enough to me, considering the context.
The examples you gave about Thor "not thinking too far ahead" are things that he could not have forseen at all. For example, he was planning to get Stormbreaker on his own because he had no idea that Nidaverlir was already broken. How was he supposed to know Thanos had already been there and decimated everyone? When he didn't bring the spaceship to fight Hela, no one in their right mind would have figured they'd need to destroy Asgard. That was some quick last minute thinking on Thor's part, impossible to have planned ahead. He took what he had at the moment and made the best out of it. In comparison, Captain Marvel never had to deal with such drastic scenarios as Thor did. She never went up against an unbeatable foe that required her to sacrifice her entire environment to defeat. She never had to travel somewhere only to find it was already destroyed when she got there. She'd never had to deal with an older sister that her father had kept secret from her. Etc. Not saying CM hasn't had difficulties in her life, but she hasn't faced anywhere near as much challenges as Thor has. It may seem that CM has a cleaner record, but that's also because the challenges she's faced are nowhere near as complex as the ones Thor has. As for likeability, of course it's a good asset in a leader. Your teammates will be more willing to follow your orders and lay down their lives for you if they like you. Also less chance of mutiny. And while I don't find Carol unlikeable, she's nowhere near as charismatic, fun and likeable as Thor is. She's just... ok. Come to think about it they might have decided to split up with the rest of the Guardians going to Nowhere, but as I recall Thor wasn't much concerned with it, he just wanted a new hammer and wasn't really directing the show. Not the best display of leadership prowess.
He most definitely could have foreseen that he might need more in the fight against Hela, after all Loki did. You and I seem to have very different standards for foresight, the desperate last resort which just so happens to have been foretold for eons (Surtur destroys Asgard) ought to have occurred to him before the last minute, especially as earlier in the movie he said aloud he was aware of it and subsequently learned that Hela's power emanated from Asgard and she planned to conquer the Nine Worlds. I'd rather a leader that doesn't take as long to put together 2+2.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 19, 2019 17:43:01 GMT
Thor is too dumb to lead the Avengers. I’ll choose him.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 18:08:47 GMT
The examples you gave about Thor "not thinking too far ahead" are things that he could not have forseen at all. For example, he was planning to get Stormbreaker on his own because he had no idea that Nidaverlir was already broken. How was he supposed to know Thanos had already been there and decimated everyone? When he didn't bring the spaceship to fight Hela, no one in their right mind would have figured they'd need to destroy Asgard. That was some quick last minute thinking on Thor's part, impossible to have planned ahead. He took what he had at the moment and made the best out of it. In comparison, Captain Marvel never had to deal with such drastic scenarios as Thor did. She never went up against an unbeatable foe that required her to sacrifice her entire environment to defeat. She never had to travel somewhere only to find it was already destroyed when she got there. She'd never had to deal with an older sister that her father had kept secret from her. Etc. Not saying CM hasn't had difficulties in her life, but she hasn't faced anywhere near as much challenges as Thor has. It may seem that CM has a cleaner record, but that's also because the challenges she's faced are nowhere near as complex as the ones Thor has. As for likeability, of course it's a good asset in a leader. Your teammates will be more willing to follow your orders and lay down their lives for you if they like you. Also less chance of mutiny. And while I don't find Carol unlikeable, she's nowhere near as charismatic, fun and likeable as Thor is. She's just... ok. Come to think about it they might have decided to split up with the rest of the Guardians going to Nowhere, but as I recall Thor wasn't much concerned with it, he just wanted a new hammer and wasn't really directing the show. Not the best display of leadership prowess.
He most definitely could have foreseen that he might need more in the fight against Hela, after all Loki did. You and I seem to have very different standards for foresight, the desperate last resort which just so happens to have been foretold for eons (Surtur destroys Asgard) ought to have occurred to him before the last minute, especially as earlier in the movie he said aloud he was aware of it and subsequently learned that Hela's power emanated from Asgard and she planned to conquer the Nine Worlds. I'd rather a leader that doesn't take as long to put together 2+2.
The GOTG was not Thor's team. You don't expect him to just swoop in and take leadership of their crew right? The GOTG wouldn't have helped him defeat Thanos anyway, not if he didn't have Stormbreaker. So he obviously knew where his priorities lay. And you're giving Loki way too much credit for his foresight. He rode on that ship because the slaves saved him from the obedience disk and they were the only ones offering him a ride. It's not like he was the one who specifically sought them out with the foresight that he will need their ship to escape Asgard once they destroy it. He simply made use of what he had at the moment. In any case, this still boils back down to how Thor has been in way worse situations than Carol has and was able to manage to turn it around. You can harp on Thor not figuring out that he needed to destroy Asgard earlier on, but fact is Carol never was faced with a situation that difficult.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 19, 2019 18:33:53 GMT
Cyclops, Storm, Beast, or Xavier.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 19, 2019 18:42:29 GMT
Come to think about it they might have decided to split up with the rest of the Guardians going to Nowhere, but as I recall Thor wasn't much concerned with it, he just wanted a new hammer and wasn't really directing the show. Not the best display of leadership prowess.
He most definitely could have foreseen that he might need more in the fight against Hela, after all Loki did. You and I seem to have very different standards for foresight, the desperate last resort which just so happens to have been foretold for eons (Surtur destroys Asgard) ought to have occurred to him before the last minute, especially as earlier in the movie he said aloud he was aware of it and subsequently learned that Hela's power emanated from Asgard and she planned to conquer the Nine Worlds. I'd rather a leader that doesn't take as long to put together 2+2.
The GOTG was not Thor's team. You don't expect him to just swoop in and take leadership of their crew right? The GOTG wouldn't have helped him defeat Thanos anyway, not if he didn't have Stormbreaker. So he obviously knew where his priorities lay. And you're giving way too much credit for his foresight. He rode on that ship because the slaves saved him from the obedience disk and they were the only ones offering him a ride. It's not like he was the one who specifically sought them out with the foresight that he will need their ship to escape Asgard once they destroy it. He simply made use of what he had at the moment. In any case, this still boils back down to how Thor has been in way worse situations than Carol has and was able to manage to turn it around. You can harp on Thor not figuring out that he needed to destroy Asgard earlier on, but fact is Carol never was faced with a situation that difficult. I don't recall for sure but didn't they all decide to fight Thanos but Thor was just interested in his hammer and said something like 'yeah, yeah, do whatever?' That crew was ready to lick his face and then roll over and get a stomach rub from him, outside Star Lord who might have needed a nip on the ear first. Thor has the charisma he just doesn't have the intuition, mental discipline and foresight to use it as effectively as he could.
Loki took command of the revolutionaries with his regal presence, the line 'you all look like you're in desperate need of leadership,' and a plan for the future. Thor started the revolution but forgot all about them and didn't consider they might want to leave the trash heap and would nicely augment his attack force of three.
Carol did manage to save her planet when it was in peril and we don't know what further adventures they might have had in the past twenty five years, perhaps fighting an interstellar war. You'll note the Skrulls seemed to accept her leadership despite being a former enemy because she acknowledged her error and seemed concerned about their future, the latter a notable contrast to Thor's methodology.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 19:27:39 GMT
The GOTG was not Thor's team. You don't expect him to just swoop in and take leadership of their crew right? The GOTG wouldn't have helped him defeat Thanos anyway, not if he didn't have Stormbreaker. So he obviously knew where his priorities lay. And you're giving way too much credit for his foresight. He rode on that ship because the slaves saved him from the obedience disk and they were the only ones offering him a ride. It's not like he was the one who specifically sought them out with the foresight that he will need their ship to escape Asgard once they destroy it. He simply made use of what he had at the moment. In any case, this still boils back down to how Thor has been in way worse situations than Carol has and was able to manage to turn it around. You can harp on Thor not figuring out that he needed to destroy Asgard earlier on, but fact is Carol never was faced with a situation that difficult. I don't recall for sure but didn't they all decide to fight Thanos but Thor was just interested in his hammer and said something like 'yeah, yeah, do whatever?' That crew was ready to lick his face and then roll over and get a stomach rub from him, outside Star Lord who might have needed a nip on the ear first. Thor has the charisma he just doesn't have the intuition, mental discipline and foresight to use it as effectively as he could.
Loki took command of the revolutionaries with his regal presence, the line 'you all look like you're in desperate need of leadership,' and a plan for the future. Thor started the revolution but forgot all about them and didn't consider they might want to leave the trash heap and would nicely augment his attack force of three.
Carol did manage to save her planet when it was in peril and we don't know what further adventures they might have had in the past twenty five years, perhaps fighting an interstellar war. You'll note the Skrulls seemed to accept her leadership despite being a former enemy because she acknowledged her error and seemed concerned about their future, the latter a notable contrast to Thor's methodology.
Actually now that you mentioned it, I do recall Thor taking control of the GOTG. He (together with Rocket) tasked them to split up, with one group going to Nowhere to find the reality stone and him and Rocket/Groot going to grab Stormbreaker. Because he knew specifically that they would need Stormbreaker. Thor didn't start a revolution. He just wanted to get out of that place and go back to stop Hela. Again, Loki only took control of that ship because that was his way to get out of there. It's not like he specifically started looking for the slaves and rounded them up to form his army. And again, I'm not saying Thor is a perfect leader, but he's certainly faced (and overcame) far harder situations than Carol did. Yes, she saved her planet... by singlehandedly beating up the bad guys. Where's the leadership in that? And yeah, we don't know what she's been doing this 25 years... but surely you can't just assume she's done great things without proof?
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Post by Marendil on Mar 19, 2019 20:14:55 GMT
I don't recall for sure but didn't they all decide to fight Thanos but Thor was just interested in his hammer and said something like 'yeah, yeah, do whatever?' That crew was ready to lick his face and then roll over and get a stomach rub from him, outside Star Lord who might have needed a nip on the ear first. Thor has the charisma he just doesn't have the intuition, mental discipline and foresight to use it as effectively as he could.
Loki took command of the revolutionaries with his regal presence, the line 'you all look like you're in desperate need of leadership,' and a plan for the future. Thor started the revolution but forgot all about them and didn't consider they might want to leave the trash heap and would nicely augment his attack force of three.
Carol did manage to save her planet when it was in peril and we don't know what further adventures they might have had in the past twenty five years, perhaps fighting an interstellar war. You'll note the Skrulls seemed to accept her leadership despite being a former enemy because she acknowledged her error and seemed concerned about their future, the latter a notable contrast to Thor's methodology.
Actually now that you mentioned it, I do recall Thor taking control of the GOTG. He (together with Rocket) tasked them to split up, with one group going to Nowhere to find the reality stone and him and Rocket/Groot going to grab Stormbreaker. Because he knew specifically that they would need Stormbreaker. Thor didn't start a revolution. He just wanted to get out of that place and go back to stop Hela. Again, Loki only took control of that ship because that was his way to get out of there. It's not like he specifically started looking for the slaves and rounded them up to form his army. And again, I'm not saying Thor is a perfect leader, but he's certainly faced (and overcame) far harder situations than Carol did. Yes, she saved her planet... by singlehandedly beating up the bad guys. Where's the leadership in that? And yeah, we don't know what she's been doing this 25 years... but surely you can't just assume she's done great things without proof? I don't remember for sure but what I do recall is more along the lines of 'yeah, whatever' in regards to Nowhere rather than him tasking anyone with it. His new toy was paramount in his mind and wasn't it Rocket who decided he needed to do some captain's work and try to restore Thor's morale?
Thor handed out guns to the revolutionaries after getting their energy 'collars' disabled. He then pretty much forgot about them. The revolutionaries came to Loki and he took command and did what Thor should have--recruited them as reinforcements; Thor took off with an army of three and left them there. It's a good thing for the people of Asgard that Loki displayed more foresight than Thor in my opinion.
I don't have much to work with, but let me try something else: at one point through back issues, reprints or while I was reading Avengers up through somewhere over 300, I think I read or was informed of the contents of every main Avengers story. I don't think Thor was ever the leader of the team. He may have been since, but even if so why did it take them so long to determine he'd be a good leader of the team?
If Carol Danvers were to be up for the leadership I suspect they'd make it so she was fighting an Interstellar war or something akin the past twenty five years and not baking cookies and making tea. You're welcome to presume otherwise because as you say there's no actual proof, but what we saw in the movie and a little meta suggests she's probably improved her resume since.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 20, 2019 16:47:42 GMT
Captain Marvel. Thor's my favorite character, but while he has a certain amount of battle cunning and wisdom that comes with being ~1500 years old he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, he's fooled too easily. He also likes to run off and do his own thing, like at the end of every movie and the middle of AoU and the whole throne thing. Thor is a warrior, not a soldier, listen to him on the battlefield but leave the paperwork and overall leadership headaches to someone else. He also has a bit of a temper, which has gotten himself and his comrades into trouble before. CM was a human military officer who may well have been fighting interstellar wars with a diverse cast of for 25 years, she's shown the wisdom to be able to re-evaluate and redirect when presented with new information like whether the Skrulls are really the scourge Kree propaganda insists they are. She was able to determine that Fury wasn't really her enemy despite him calling in SHIELD, she saved him but confiscated his 'state-of-the-art' pager, an appropriate discipline. Frankly I think Cap Am is the best choice for leader amongst them all. But this is what makes Thor a good leader. He has grown over the life of the MCU and has learned from his mistakes. The Thor we see in Thor is not the same Thor we see in Infinity War.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 20, 2019 17:15:00 GMT
There's no way they would ever do this. Fiege and the Russos aren't hacks, they aren't going to throw out everything the MCU has been building over the last 11 years just so they can force a new character down the audience's throat. What do you think this is, Star Wars? Fiege has been saying an awful lot lately about her that has me concerned. Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the 'forefront of the MCU' commentary he has going on with CM. As I said in another thread, you have to let that stuff happen naturally. You can't tell fans who to love, it doesn't work that way. Still, I think Fiege knows what he's doing and I have to believe they'll stick the landing with Endgame. With any luck gender politics won't completely take over the MCU, but either way Endgame will show the proper respect to all that came before.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 20, 2019 18:05:19 GMT
Fiege has been saying an awful lot lately about her that has me concerned. Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the 'forefront of the MCU' commentary he has going on with CM. As I said in another thread, you have to let that stuff happen naturally. You can't tell fans who to love, it doesn't work that way. Still, I think Fiege knows what he's doing and I have to believe they'll stick the landing with Endgame. With any luck gender politics won't completely take over the MCU, but either way Endgame will show the proper respect to all that came before. I completely agree with you, I am just not as confident as you. Fiege has put together a great product, but his comments scare me.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 20, 2019 18:12:48 GMT
Just realized I never answered the OP's question. Thor because he's earned it. CM could make a great leader down the road, but she hasn't earned it yet.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 20, 2019 18:13:04 GMT
Fiege has been saying an awful lot lately about her that has me concerned. Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the 'forefront of the MCU' commentary he has going on with CM. As I said in another thread, you have to let that stuff happen naturally. You can't tell fans who to love, it doesn't work that way. Still, I think Fiege knows what he's doing and I have to believe they'll stick the landing with Endgame. With any luck gender politics won't completely take over the MCU, but either way Endgame will show the proper respect to all that came before. If you believe some of the rumors running around, apparently the Russo's didn't want CM to have too big a part in Endgame but the studio (Disney+Feige) were insisting she be given a bigger, more important part. Not sure how much of this is true.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 20, 2019 18:28:57 GMT
Actually now that you mentioned it, I do recall Thor taking control of the GOTG. He (together with Rocket) tasked them to split up, with one group going to Nowhere to find the reality stone and him and Rocket/Groot going to grab Stormbreaker. Because he knew specifically that they would need Stormbreaker. Thor didn't start a revolution. He just wanted to get out of that place and go back to stop Hela. Again, Loki only took control of that ship because that was his way to get out of there. It's not like he specifically started looking for the slaves and rounded them up to form his army. And again, I'm not saying Thor is a perfect leader, but he's certainly faced (and overcame) far harder situations than Carol did. Yes, she saved her planet... by singlehandedly beating up the bad guys. Where's the leadership in that? And yeah, we don't know what she's been doing this 25 years... but surely you can't just assume she's done great things without proof? I don't remember for sure but what I do recall is more along the lines of 'yeah, whatever' in regards to Nowhere rather than him tasking anyone with it. His new toy was paramount in his mind and wasn't it Rocket who decided he needed to do some captain's work and try to restore Thor's morale?
Thor handed out guns to the revolutionaries after getting their energy 'collars' disabled. He then pretty much forgot about them. The revolutionaries came to Loki and he took command and did what Thor should have--recruited them as reinforcements; Thor took off with an army of three and left them there. It's a good thing for the people of Asgard that Loki displayed more foresight than Thor in my opinion.
I don't have much to work with, but let me try something else: at one point through back issues, reprints or while I was reading Avengers up through somewhere over 300, I think I read or was informed of the contents of every main Avengers story. I don't think Thor was ever the leader of the team. He may have been since, but even if so why did it take them so long to determine he'd be a good leader of the team?
If Carol Danvers were to be up for the leadership I suspect they'd make it so she was fighting an Interstellar war or something akin the past twenty five years and not baking cookies and making tea. You're welcome to presume otherwise because as you say there's no actual proof, but what we saw in the movie and a little meta suggests she's probably improved her resume since.
I rewatched the scene. Thor was the one who said the stone was in Knowhere but he didn't want to go there, he said he needed to get a Thanos-killing weapon in Nidavellir because he knew Thanos was too powerful to stop without one. Gamora and Starlord were the ones who wanted to go to Knowhere and Rocket was the one who suggested they split up. In the end, Thor was right. Thanos was too powerful to stop without a proper weapon, but Thor is not a tyrant who will simply try to force the GOTG to do what he wants them to do. Thor freed slaves but his goal wasn't to start a revolution. He kept his eyes on the goal (another leadership attribute) and didn't allow himself to get bogged down in local politics. Sure, he made mistakes, which are easy to nitpick in hindsight. Yet the only reason Thor made these mistakes is because he was faced with far more difficult situations than Carol was. You keep counting the mistakes Thor made while at the same time belittling the feats of success that he's accomplished. Feats that we see him demonstrate on screen. On the other hand, you're completely fine attributing leadership capabilities to Captain Marvel on the basis that "she must have been doing something in those 25 years". Surely someone who's demonstrated leadership skills counts more than someone we're simply assuming has leadership skills? As for the comics, I think it's clear that the MCU deviated from Thor and Carol's comic counterparts, so I'm not relying on them dictating who's better leadership material or not.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 20, 2019 18:49:16 GMT
Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the 'forefront of the MCU' commentary he has going on with CM. As I said in another thread, you have to let that stuff happen naturally. You can't tell fans who to love, it doesn't work that way. Still, I think Fiege knows what he's doing and I have to believe they'll stick the landing with Endgame. With any luck gender politics won't completely take over the MCU, but either way Endgame will show the proper respect to all that came before. If you believe some of the rumors running around, apparently the Russo's didn't want CM to have too big a part in Endgame but the studio (Disney+Feige) were insisting she be given a bigger, more important part. Not sure how much of this is true.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 20, 2019 18:56:11 GMT
If you believe some of the rumors running around, apparently the Russo's didn't want CM to have too big a part in Endgame but the studio (Disney+Feige) were insisting she be given a bigger, more important part. Not sure how much of this is true. I'm a bit lazy to look for the article but here's a video talking about it: I don't really like the guy talking in the vid, seems a bit too hateful, but like I said - I'm lazy to find a better one. But it does give you an idea of the rumors.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 20, 2019 18:59:05 GMT
I'm a bit lazy to look for the article but here's a video talking about it: I don't really like the guy talking in the vid, seems a bit too hateful, but like I said - I'm lazy to find a better one. But it does give you an idea of the rumors. Meh. A maniac in a video using reddit as a source. I'm less worried all of the sudden.
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