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Post by reelreviews2 on Mar 26, 2019 17:44:49 GMT
We now have an entire season to judge Jodie Whittaker's Doctor, so the jury is no longer out. Love her or hate her, the fact remains that more people were interested in Jodie's first season than Capaldi's last. Not to mention Jodie's companions about 10X as much positive reception as "Bill".
So, the reality is now that the twelfth Doctor paired with "Bill" was the absolute nadir for nuWho in terms of popularity.
We can thank Stephen Moffat for having Capaldi go out with a whimper instead of a bang.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 27, 2019 14:44:34 GMT
Loved Bill (and Clara) but once a bandwagon thing gets going there's no holding it back. That is what the Internet, message boards, and comments sections are all about - an avalanche of piling on just for the fun of it.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 29, 2019 2:18:32 GMT
I liked Bill, especially after previous couple seasons of Clara. I would have liked to have seen more of Bill and Nardole, especially in comparison with the latest companions. There isn't anything wrong with them per se, but they just seemed like generic stock characters and virtually interchangeable.
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Post by randalgraves on Mar 30, 2019 12:16:44 GMT
Bill was the absolute worst until these new companions now I'll agree with you, they all suck
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Post by reelreviews2 on Mar 31, 2019 4:13:46 GMT
Bill was the absolute worst until these new companions now I'll agree with you, they all suck
I disagree. Graham O'Brien, Ryan Sinclair, and Yasmin Khan are ALL 10X better than "Bill", starting with the fact they are actual characters who were fleshed out starting with "The Woman Who Fell to Earth". Contrast that to "Bill", who has no other purpose on the show besides "being gay" and reminding the audience of it every episode.
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Post by azzajones on Mar 31, 2019 8:01:45 GMT
Quite frankly I think some people are remembering the early seasons of this show through rose-coloured glasses (no pun intended), hell go back to the Slitheen or the dancing Master - Bill was worse than those?
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Post by randalgraves on Apr 1, 2019 17:26:50 GMT
Bill was the absolute worst until these new companions now I'll agree with you, they all suck
I disagree. Graham O'Brien, Ryan Sinclair, and Yasmin Khan are ALL 10X better than "Bill", starting with the fact they are actual characters who were fleshed out starting with "The Woman Who Fell to Earth". Contrast that to "Bill", who has no other purpose on the show besides "being gay" and reminding the audience of it every episode.
Graham is the only ok one IMO Yaz is completely useless, Bill is worthless
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Post by carlene on Apr 23, 2019 10:59:27 GMT
We now have an entire season to judge Jodie Whittaker's Doctor, so the jury is no longer out. Love her or hate her, the fact remains that more people were interested in Jodie's first season than Capaldi's last. Not to mention Jodie's companions about 10X as much positive reception as "Bill".
So, the reality is now that the twelfth Doctor paired with "Bill" was the absolute nadir for nuWho in terms of popularity.
We can thank Stephen Moffat for having Capaldi go out with a whimper instead of a bang.
I liked Bill.
It baffles me that people say she was an example of SJW pandering and not Missy?
Did they handle Bill's sexuality in a clumsy way? Yes. IMO they need to stop making gay characters a political statement. By all means have them regularly mention their sexuality. There are plenty of straight characters that do that (like Joey from Friends for instance.) Still do it in a more natural way, like have her flirt with a woman or even just mention a girl she finds cute. Don't have her sit down and tell people in a big shocking way "I'M GAY!" all the time. That comes over as tolkenism and insulting to your audience as you are making out that they need to be introduced to the idea of gay people as people like you. (Sadly that is what people in the entertainment industry think in their little bubble sealed off from the rest of us.)
Still other than a few cringey moments Bill was a fine companion. One of the best of New Who as she didn't want to shag the Doctor, wasn't just a retread of the Bad Wolf crap, was strong, but didn't undermine and insult the Doctor. She and Capaldi had a great father/daughter relationship and her soap opera home life wasn't as intrusive.
To blame her for series 10's failure is ridiculous. The shows viewers declined every year with Capaldi. It wasn't like they were great up until s10 and then crashed and burned. It was a culminative effect. Crap like the Moon egg, Missy, Cyber Brig, Clara, the anti men rubbish all helped to drive people away in droves throughout series 8 and 9 until the point where hardly anyone was watching in s10.
Jodie's first series meanwhile did better because of the novelty. In terms of critical and audience reaction meanwhile it did nowhere near as good as s10. Furthermore there is yet another gap again. In time I think its fair to say that Bill will be low down on list of things that ruined DW behind the unholy trinity. Jodie, Missy and Cyber Brig!
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Post by carlene on Apr 23, 2019 11:02:12 GMT
Quite frankly I think some people are remembering the early seasons of this show through rose-coloured glasses (no pun intended), hell go back to the Slitheen or the dancing Master - Bill was worse than those?
I agree. S10 was much better (apart from Missy) than s1 and 2 at least.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 23, 2019 16:13:09 GMT
I liked Missy...
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Post by reelreviews2 on Aug 18, 2019 6:46:18 GMT
Bill will be low down on list of things that ruined DW behind the unholy trinity. Jodie, Missy and Cyber Brig!
Jodie is lousy as the Doctor Who but that's basically she seems to be playing David Tennant as The Doctor rather just play The Doctor. And as you noted, that problem started long before Jodie. It USED to be every new regeneration was vastly different than their predecessor, while still remaining the core principles of the character. Ever since Tennant made Doctor Who a global phenomenon, the BBC seems to have this attitude that Tenth Doctor is "what the public wants" and that every new Doctor should be in the same vein. Smith was basically indistinguishable from Tennant through most of his first season. Calpadi should have been a MASSIVE change, but the crap writing staff don't know how to write an older Doctor, so by his second season they forced Calpaldi to be "hip and wacky" and act more like Smith & Tennant. He's got a guitar and sunglasses, he's kewl now! That was really cringeworthy. And Jodie just studied how Tennant played the role, and tries to replicate that performance. It's gotten VERY old at this point. "OHHHHHHHHHHH look at me I'm THE DOCTOR! Look how manic and badass I am! I may seem silly and smug but I'm actually the smartest person in the room!! Wibbly wobbly timey winey!! OHHH that's brillant, init? ::wink wink::"
Missy is far from my favorite version of The Master, but IMO she was an improvement over her predecessor because at least came across as genuinely menacing and creepy. The previous guy was just a giddy idiot and his main claim to fame was playing "The Master Is Insane and hears the Beating of the Drums in his head", which really made no sense because no previous incarnation of the Master ever "suffered" from bouts of insanity, but we were supposed to believe this guy had it from childhood. Eric Roberts doctor from the 1996 TV movie is underrated. It's weird that British people complain he overacted and came across as cartoonish, because the nuWho Masters were far worse in that regard.
Cyber Brig was a tacky decision to find way to get the Bridgager to "appear" on Doctor Who after the actor who played him was dead in real life, but that's basically what it was: a tacky 5 second scene. It wasn't like we had Cyber Brig randomly popping up in every episode to remind the audience "Hey lads, I'm a Cyberman now!", like we got during "series 10" with the ugly lesbian with an Afro reminding the audience she's gay every episode.
In any case, none of the three were as bad as Calpaldi being stuck with an ugly, insufferable, one dimension "companion" every episode of "series 10". It basically made the entire show unwatchable during his final season. I'm glad I avoided any more of that drek.
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