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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 6:10:32 GMT
When I say actor, I mean what person in the entire movie gave the best performance... for you? Both versions i'm asking about.
Jack Nicholson imo. Never seen the made for television one.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 1, 2019 6:16:29 GMT
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Post by jcush on Apr 1, 2019 6:21:40 GMT
1980 - Jack Nicholson
1997 - Rebecca De Mornay
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 1, 2019 6:38:39 GMT
Of the living characters, Scatman Crothers.
Everyone else acts like a weirdo. The only other normal one is Lloyd the bartender ghost.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 1, 2019 7:53:36 GMT
Nicholson
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2019 13:54:41 GMT
Great minds think alike ^^^^
and would also mention Danny both of these actors do NOT over-do-it (which was at the insistence of the director. ! ) Never saw the other version.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Apr 1, 2019 13:58:03 GMT
Jack Nicholson
I Never saw the TV Remake
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 1, 2019 14:12:23 GMT
1980 - Jack Nicholson
1997 - Rebecca De Mornay
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Post by James on Apr 1, 2019 14:44:53 GMT
Jack Nicholson
I Never saw the TV Remake
This.
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Post by vegalyra on Apr 1, 2019 16:35:24 GMT
Scatman for sure.
I haven't seen the 97 version since 97 so I don't remember.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Apr 1, 2019 18:22:18 GMT
Scatman for sure. I haven't seen the 97 version since 97 so I don't remember. LOL, I still to this very day feel so bad for Scatman's character in "THE SHINING".
The poor guy travels all the way from Miami to Denver, then from Denver to the Hotel, and then 5 Minutes after he finally gets there, Jack Nicholson puts an axe into his chest!
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 1, 2019 18:25:58 GMT
The poor guy travels all the way from Miami to Denver, then from Denver to the Hotel, and then 5 Minutes after he finally gets there, Jack Nicholson puts an axe into his chest!
What's interesting about that is for anyone who knew the novel, his death came as a big shock since he saves them in the book. He is the only one who acts totally normal. Even Danny has that fucking weird Tony problem. The kid in Child's Play acted more normal.
"Chucky said she was a real bitch and had it coming."
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 22, 2019 17:11:03 GMT
I recently rewatched the movie and skimmed through the miniseries (available for free on Internet Archive, at the moment). Not sure why I was on such a Shining kick recently—maybe reading this thread? For acting, I’d say Scatman Crothers in the movie and Rebecca de Mornay in the miniseries. The former is of course Nicholson’s signature role, but it’s hard to say it’s great acting when it’s so stylized (on purpose, of course). Miss de Mornay is one of the very few reasons ever to consider watching the miniseries. I’d be interested in seeing the opera based on the book—though I have a feeling that recitative would diminish the scares.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:09:45 GMT
I recently rewatched the movie and skimmed through the miniseries (available for free on Internet Archive, at the moment). Not sure why I was on such a Shining kick recently—maybe reading this thread? For acting, I’d say Scatman Crothers in the movie and Rebecca de Mornay in the miniseries. The former is of course Nicholson’s signature role, but it’s hard to say it’s great acting when it’s so stylized (on purpose, of course). Miss de Mornay is one of the very few reasons ever to consider watching the miniseries. I’d be interested in seeing the opera based on the book—though I have a feeling that recitative would diminish the scares. They did an Opera on this? I woukd totally want to see that!
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 22, 2019 20:08:11 GMT
I recently rewatched the movie and skimmed through the miniseries (available for free on Internet Archive, at the moment). Not sure why I was on such a Shining kick recently—maybe reading this thread? For acting, I’d say Scatman Crothers in the movie and Rebecca de Mornay in the miniseries. The former is of course Nicholson’s signature role, but it’s hard to say it’s great acting when it’s so stylized (on purpose, of course). Miss de Mornay is one of the very few reasons ever to consider watching the miniseries. I’d be interested in seeing the opera based on the book—though I have a feeling that recitative would diminish the scares. They did an Opera on this? I woukd totally want to see that! Despite how operatic the composer claims the book is, I just can’t see it working. (On the other hand, I’m thinking it may work as a musical—particularly the party scenes.) The scene in that trailer where Wendy sings a high note right before she stabs Jack seems more ridiculous than scary to me. Then again, I’ve never seen it, so what do I know?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:02:47 GMT
They did an Opera on this? I woukd totally want to see that! Despite how operatic the composer claims the book is, I just can’t see it working. (On the other hand, I’m thinking it may work as a musical—particularly the party scenes.) The scene in that trailer where Wendy sings a high note right before she stabs Jack seems more ridiculous than scary to me. Then again, I’ve never seen it, so what do I know? Yeah, that's just weird. I feel like they're trying to turn it into like, a Greek tragedy or something, but the Shining was supposed to be about a haunting. The music in that clip wasn't as sinister as it should have been IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:34:31 GMT
Nicholson. He was fascinating throughout.
I've never seen any of the made for tv version.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 22, 2019 23:55:41 GMT
Yeah, that's just weird. I feel like they're trying to turn it into like, a Greek tragedy or something, but the Shining was supposed to be about a haunting. The music in that clip wasn't as sinister as it should have been IMO. Here’s a preview of another part. (They start singing at 2:54.) I can kind of understand why the composer and librettist saw it as tragedy—the lack of tragedy in Jack’s character is Stephen King’s biggest problem with the Kubrick movie (supposedly; after seeing his version, I just think he’s jealous)—but I just don’t think it works as opera. (I don’t think English is a good language for opera, anyway—though it’s a great one for musical theater.) The recitative at that part sounds so silly—I keep thinking of Sondheim’s complaint about opera: “Can’t they just say the lines as dialogue?” For me, opera usually works when every event is grandiose and dramatic (i.e., operatic), so that they’re not speak-singing about something as banal as pulling up to a hotel. As for the music, Moravec’s music was highly praised, apparently, so I’d like to hear it later on in the opera, when Jack starts seeing the ghosts and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:14:12 GMT
Yeah, that's just weird. I feel like they're trying to turn it into like, a Greek tragedy or something, but the Shining was supposed to be about a haunting. The music in that clip wasn't as sinister as it should have been IMO. Here’s a preview of another part. (They start singing at 2:54.) I can kind of understand why the composer and librettist saw it as tragedy—the lack of tragedy in Jack’s character is Stephen King’s biggest problem with the Kubrick movie (supposedly; after seeing his version, I just think he’s jealous)—but I just don’t think it works as opera. (I don’t think English is a good language for opera, anyway—though it’s a great one for musical theater.) The recitative at that part sounds so silly—I keep thinking of Sondheim’s complaint about opera: “Can’t they just say the lines as dialogue?” For me, opera usually works when every event is grandiose and dramatic (i.e., operatic), so that they’re not speak-singing about something as banal as pulling up to a hotel. As for the music, Moravec’s music was highly praised, apparently, so I’d like to hear it later on in the opera, when Jack starts seeing the ghosts and all that. That's an excellent analyses, and I agree. I'm a fan of opera because my gram took me to it (not the music so much as the live productions). ITA that English suck for this.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 25, 2019 20:18:22 GMT
Continuing my aforementioned Shining kick, I picked up and read Stephen King’s novel. The first thing I’ve got to say is that it’s lightyears better than the miniseries. King did himself an injustice with that script. It’s the first King novel I’ve read, though I’ve read a bunch of the short stories before. I’m reinventing the wheel here, but his writing is excellent—smooth, fast-paced, colloquial and descriptive. It’s not surprising that his On Writing has been recommended even by critics who consider his works “sub-literary” (whatever that means). The Shining is 659 pages in my edition and feels like half of that, it’s so exciting and fast-moving. (I read it very rapidly.) That’s a remarkable talent, one that isn’t celebrated as much or as often as it should be. It is, as everyone says, very different from the Kubrick movie, though that’s less in plot than in style: it feels different. The movie has this sense of isolation that the book does not have: for the first half, for one thing, the Torrances are frequently going back and forth between the Overlook and the town of Sidewinder. The movie is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, and its depths seem unplumbable—the book is a fairly straightforward, if novelistic (Dickensian in size and many supporting characters), ghost story, in the mold of Shirley Jackson’s much more concise The Haunting of Hill House. It’s particularly intriguing to see what Kubrick saw in the novel: there are distinct moments where you know Kubrick must have bookmarked them and then expanded on and/or altered them in his script. Several scenes actually have cross-references in the movie (the doctor checking Danny, for example) but are altered or placed at a different point in the story. King describes the elevators as appearing like an enormous mouth, something that comes back with the movie elevators that pour blood—the Grady girls are taken from the book, just visualized in the movie—and so on. I’m sure I read somewhere that Lloyd the bartender wasn’t in the book, but indeed he is, and Jack’s speech to him (“Portland, Maine… Portland, Oregon, for that matter”) is taken nearly verbatim, as is the conversation with Grady (“you’re the caretaker, sir…you’ve always been the caretaker”—just as enigmatic as in the movie, for all that the book explains more). I remain unconvinced by King’s criticism that the movie strips Jack of personal tragedy because of Nicholson’s casting. If Nicholson is too unsympathetic from the get-go, King’s Jack Torrance is too sympathetic: he’s so sweet and kindly that it’s difficult to see him as being driven mad by the hotel. (Hold on to that thought.) Jack is even innocent of the major plot point of having broken Danny’s arm in drunken fury; this Jack was holding on to Danny’s arm when Danny turned the wrong way. Also, this Jack is (despite what the synopses say) not driven crazy by the hotel; he’s possessed by it, so that he’s just a vessel for the spirits (or, as Grady says, “the manager”). He’s thus exonerated, certainly in his creator’s mind, for trying to kill Danny, Wendy, and Hallorann—which is no tragedy at all, for all of King’s complaining. In the book, he couldn’t have chosen otherwise, taking his agency out of it. He’s just a puppet in the hotel’s scheme to consume Danny’s shining ability. These aren’t criticisms of the book as much as they are criticisms of King’s criticisms of the movie. There are flaws with the book—Danny sounds more like an adult than a five-year-old, Jack’s characterization seems more like psychobabble than actual character, and (bizarrely) the Overlook itself is never described in much detail, so that I could never get a good grasp on how it was supposed to look, or any kind of atmosphere—but it’s such a good read that they seem like nitpicks. King even manages to make one of the most risible aspects of the miniseries, the deadly fire hose (!), spooky, which I strongly doubted he could pull off. (Danny’s fear of it is like a child’s fear of something random, as exemplified by something like this—coincidentally directed by the same documentarian who did Room 237.) On the other hand, the moving hedge-animals still come off as kind of goofy. I highly recommend the book, though with those caveats. It’s a great read.
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