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Post by goz on Apr 14, 2019 2:31:42 GMT
Says a Catholic...what a surprise! Yes, & it is correct. Are you a parent?
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Post by clusium on Apr 14, 2019 3:32:02 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 14, 2019 3:45:37 GMT
I knew about Cruise and Travolta. Didn't know about the others. I also seem to remember that Anne Archer is a Scientologist.
People join these cults because they're not getting the answers they're looking for in mainstream religious institutions. The Scientologists are a little different. Don't try to join them if you have an empty wallet.
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Post by goz on Apr 14, 2019 4:00:50 GMT
Then I hope that you see these differentials with your nieces/nephews.
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Post by Zos on Apr 14, 2019 8:47:29 GMT
Live and let live. I view attacks on Scientology as an attack on freedom of religion. Where does it end though. An organisation like Scientology is a huge money making machine, using reported intimidation techniques to get religious status allowed it to become as rich and as powerful as it is now. It has followed since it's early days the belief that if someone attacks you then you attack back twice as hard and this has worked extremely well in stopping any criticism. I view my football club as my religion, if it comes up with some silly "origin" story can it be tax exempt too? It seems the only difference between a religion and a sect is how recently the silly origin story was invented. When does one mans freedom of religion become loss of services for others due to tax deprivation on others? If an organisation wants to be free of attack then it needs to raise it's own funds rather than taking tax breaks at the expense of those who consider them harmful or ridiculous.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 14, 2019 11:55:39 GMT
L. It's child abuse to leave a child at home while you go to church. Interesting point. It raises all sort of other considerations. I think somewhere we are missing the differences between raising, exposure to things and 'indoctrination'. It's not indoctrination. Most parents don't have the ability to even get their kids to like peas and yet all of a sudden they can hypnotize and brainwash children just by having them sit somewhere for a few minutes? Teaching a kid what your ideals are and hoping they follow them, on the other hand, is the exact definition of parents raising kids. There is no reason at all for a parent to remove one key aspect of their life and especially if they think it's beneficial to the kid. After all, as the kid grows up, they will make their own choices. Atheists who came from a religious background do not have special mightiness for leaving. They do what all kids eventually do. They grow up and make their own choices in life.
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Post by goz on Apr 14, 2019 21:28:48 GMT
Interesting point. It raises all sort of other considerations. I think somewhere we are missing the differences between raising, exposure to things and 'indoctrination'. It's not indoctrination. Most parents don't have the ability to even get their kids to like peas and yet all of a sudden they can hypnotize and brainwash children just by having them sit somewhere for a few minutes? Teaching a kid what your ideals are and hoping they follow them, on the other hand, is the exact definition of parents raising kids. There is no reason at all for a parent to remove one key aspect of their life and especially if they think it's beneficial to the kid. After all, as the kid grows up, they will make their own choices. Atheists who came from a religious background do not have special mightiness for leaving. They do what all kids eventually do. They grow up and make their own choices in life. Thanks you just made the point for me because it is obvious from your comments that you raise your kids giving them exposure to a 'range' of things. Naturally you stress your own views and if you are a good parent, example is often more effective than preaching. There are however a small set of parents that don't, and they 'indoctrinate' by being heavy on discipline and limiting the child's exposure to things that are contrary to their own world view. With technology, I actually think it is thankfully getting harder for those parents. They even make crappy TV shows about it like 'Leaving the Amish' etc
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Apr 16, 2019 10:32:10 GMT
Rule of Common Sense:
“Any ‘religion’ in which followers must pay money to gain higher/deeper levels of knowledge and understanding is NOT a real religion.”
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