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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 6:05:18 GMT
Excuse me cool j but I disagree with you Jon never executed anyone becasue they didn't bend the knee for him he executed for other reasons they STABBED him hello? ? but never because someone didn't kneel for him which is what Dany did BURNED ALIVE the tarlys because they wouldn't bend the knee for her It doesn’t matter why he executes then. Dany executes the Tarleys because they were enemies. They rebelled against their own Great House, helped kill scores of her army, and she was throwing them a very easy bone that they refused completely and paid the price they knew they would pay. Of course it does matter why people are killed, you shit. The Tarlys were no longer enemies, they were prisoners and executed because they refused to join her. Daenerys is a foreign invaders and her apologists are enemies. I won't let anyone forget that.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 6:18:36 GMT
It doesn’t matter why he executes then. Dany executes the Tarleys because they were enemies. They rebelled against their own Great House, helped kill scores of her army, and she was throwing them a very easy bone that they refused completely and paid the price they knew they would pay. Sam has every reason to be heartbroken but also should understand that his family was going to facing Jon and his family once e side with the Lannister’s. War is always about death. Sam should be grieving but he should also try to figure out how to get the Highlands to join. So prisoners of war doesn't exist in danys world ? No, they don't. She demonstrated it each time she had a chance. S3E04: "Unsullied! Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" It was a "kill 'em all" order and we saw no survivors, no prisoners in Astapor. In Meereen in S6E09, her intention was the same: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Daenerys wants unconditional following, she displays it all the time and has loads of admirers. That beast isn't dead, it's always been there and it's not going away. Half of mankind feeds it.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 6:29:31 GMT
Excuse me cool j but I disagree with you Jon never executed anyone becasue they didn't bend the knee for him he executed for other reasons they STABBED him hello? ? but never because someone didn't kneel for him which is what Dany did BURNED ALIVE the tarlys because they wouldn't bend the knee for her BIG difference this is why Sam pointed that out to Jon land aksed him if he would have done the same don't even try to compare to what Dany is doing with Jon NEVER Jon is not ruthless he does punish or beheads but doesn't torture people like Ramsey , Dany , Joffrey get a pleasure doing that that's how she shows her power and Sam had every right to feel heartbroken that was his family no matter what I felt so bad for him first got the news his father was executed then said well at least my brother now can be lord , guess what he was burned too , and she just stood there like a stoic cold -------you know what fill in the blank It seems to me Dany Stan fans are mad because Sam doesn't like her too bad I told you all way back her actions would come to bite her in the ass and it has Welcome back!
Jon executed Janos Slynt for refusing orders after he recanted and begged for mercy on his knees with his head on the block.
The Tarlys betrayed the Tyrells and Queen Daenerys after Queen Margaery, Lord Mace Tyrell and the heir Ser Loras Tyrell were murdered along with hundreds of others by the mother of the King, who seized the Crown without anything resembling a legitimate claim. The Lannisters--with the assistance of the Tarlys--stole the wealth of Highgarden and plundered the riches of the Reach, their bountiful harvest so much more valuable than gold with winter coming. Unbelievably merciful, Queen Daenerys Targaryen offered them clemency, retaining their lives, lands and titles, if they'd swear allegiance to her (again) yet they refused.
They were not prisoners, they were criminals guilty of high treason and slaughtered many of their own countrymen in the above endeavor.
The Tarly accepted the new order for the sake of what truly matters and acted accordingly by defending their country against a foreign aggressor. And you will go fuck yourself.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 6:40:14 GMT
To be fair she is modeling herself after Aegon the Conqueror. Aegon was most likely feared and/or loathed far more than he was loved. The problem with Dany is she still wants to be loved while she incites fear and anger. I don’t think she is interested in being loved. The things she does results in people loving her. She has that in common with Jon. At the end of the day she is not a diplomat. She is a God figure who loves and blesses her followers and completely destroys her enemies. This is a pretty accurate view of her behaviour. It reminds of those mad Roman emperors who went to have themselves worshipped in their lifetime. Caligula: "Let them hate me, so long as they fear me." And this one: "Would that the Roman people had but one neck!" It is not very far from "breaking the wheel". Caligula called himself a god, Daenerys thinks of herself as "The Dragon". Gods were always used to keep the scum in line, anyway. Lions don't bow to them, nor do they aspire at being one of them.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 19, 2019 9:01:45 GMT
Welcome back!
Jon executed Janos Slynt for refusing orders after he recanted and begged for mercy on his knees with his head on the block.
The Tarlys betrayed the Tyrells and Queen Daenerys after Queen Margaery, Lord Mace Tyrell and the heir Ser Loras Tyrell were murdered along with hundreds of others by the mother of the King, who seized the Crown without anything resembling a legitimate claim. The Lannisters--with the assistance of the Tarlys--stole the wealth of Highgarden and plundered the riches of the Reach, their bountiful harvest so much more valuable than gold with winter coming. Unbelievably merciful, Queen Daenerys Targaryen offered them clemency, retaining their lives, lands and titles, if they'd swear allegiance to her (again) yet they refused.
They were not prisoners, they were criminals guilty of high treason and slaughtered many of their own countrymen in the above endeavor.
The Tarly accepted the new order for the sake of what truly matters and acted accordingly by defending their country against a foreign aggressor. And you will go fuck yourself. No, I will go ' Dracarys' and incinerate the rude and unjust lions.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 9:13:29 GMT
The Tarly accepted the new order for the sake of what truly matters and acted accordingly by defending their country against a foreign aggressor. And you will go fuck yourself. No, I will go ' Dracarys' and incinerate the rude and unjust lions. See how they are? You wish them some sorely needed self-satisfaction and they want to burn you alive. Daenerys supporters in a nutshell.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 19, 2019 13:29:01 GMT
It wouldn't take much. Their reaction to her is largely a result of Jon giving in to her. Sophie Turner just said the same in her interview.
I think that it is just a matter of time that things resolve between them (unless one of the 3 dies). But after fighting and when humanity survives I can see peace between all 3 characters. Then the enemy would be Cersei.
I read the interview and sophie is talking from her characters perspective and actors in general wont spoil anything this early in any interview so was Sophie is saying here it IS sansa who actually believes jon loves dany ( jon didnt say anything ) and that bothers her a whole LOT which results in a whole lot of fighting with jon ( sexual angst) if jonsa is not a thing then why would did they even choose to have her be bothered by jons feelings for another woman? sansa didnt look like a sister who was bothered by her brothers choice but more like a woman who was in love .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 19, 2019 13:45:33 GMT
Excuse me cool j but I disagree with you Jon never executed anyone becasue they didn't bend the knee for him he executed for other reasons they STABBED him hello? ? but never because someone didn't kneel for him which is what Dany did BURNED ALIVE the tarlys because they wouldn't bend the knee for her BIG difference this is why Sam pointed that out to Jon land aksed him if he would have done the same don't even try to compare to what Dany is doing with Jon NEVER Jon is not ruthless he does punish or beheads but doesn't torture people like Ramsey , Dany , Joffrey get a pleasure doing that that's how she shows her power and Sam had every right to feel heartbroken that was his family no matter what I felt so bad for him first got the news his father was executed then said well at least my brother now can be lord , guess what he was burned too , and she just stood there like a stoic cold -------you know what fill in the blank It seems to me Dany Stan fans are mad because Sam doesn't like her too bad I told you all way back her actions would come to bite her in the ass and it has Welcome back!
Jon executed Janos Slynt for refusing orders after he recanted and begged for mercy on his knees with his head on the block.
The Tarlys betrayed the Tyrells and Queen Daenerys after Queen Margaery, Lord Mace Tyrell and the heir Ser Loras Tyrell were murdered along with hundreds of others by the mother of the King, who seized the Crown without anything resembling a legitimate claim. The Lannisters--with the assistance of the Tarlys--stole the wealth of Highgarden and plundered the riches of the Reach, their bountiful harvest so much more valuable than gold with winter coming. Unbelievably merciful, Queen Daenerys Targaryen offered them clemency, retaining their lives, lands and titles, if they'd swear allegiance to her (again) yet they refused.
They were not prisoners, they were criminals guilty of high treason and slaughtered many of their own countrymen in the above endeavor.
thank you for the welcome back jon was lord commander janos slynt was part of the nights watch and he refused to follow commands to guard some castle i believe or some task jon asked him to do he broke nights watch rules by doing that other watchers were there and didnt say anything or try to stop jon if what he was doing was so wrong , unlike tyrion pleading with dany not to burn the tarlys different circumstances and much different situations and i really dont see what one has to do with the other , the tarlys were prisoners of war , jon did right decision to execute janos slynt he was a corrupt person and he executed ned stark conveniently show gave us exactly what we wanted some justice for neds killer tyrion lannister knew well what he was doing when he send janos to the wall he knew he was a corrupt person , and it also ties in with Jonsa too , you know how? Frog-faced Lord Slynt sat at the end of the council table wearing a black velvet doublet and a shiny cloth-of-gold cape, nodding with approval every time the king pronounced a sentence. Sansa stared hard at his ugly face, remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head. But a voice inside her whispered, There are no heroes… – A Game of Thrones, Sansa VI
“I will not hang him,” said Jon. “Bring him here.” “Oh, Seven save us,” he heard Bowen Marsh cry out. The smile that Lord Janos Slynt smiled then had all the sweetness of rancid butter. Until Jon said, “Edd, fetch me a block,” and unsheathed Longclaw. – A Dance With Dragons, Jon IISansa hero ended up being jon snow another heavily jonsa forshadowing
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 19, 2019 13:50:24 GMT
So prisoners of war doesn't exist in danys world ? No, they don't. She demonstrated it each time she had a chance. S3E04: "Unsullied! Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" It was a "kill 'em all" order and we saw no survivors, no prisoners in Astapor. In Meereen in S6E09, her intention was the same: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Daenerys wants unconditional following, she displays it all the time and has loads of admirers. That beast isn't dead, it's always been there and it's not going away. Half of mankind feeds it. i agree , and the way she punishes people is just cruel i mean yes others in this story punish kill or behead but her ways are ruthless she loves crucifying people that is one thing i cant stomach even in fantasy shows an she really hasnt saved anyone with nothing in return , and the one she lets go how are they supposed to survive ?? she frees them and then slaves them for her.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 19, 2019 15:06:52 GMT
Welcome back!
Jon executed Janos Slynt for refusing orders after he recanted and begged for mercy on his knees with his head on the block.
The Tarlys betrayed the Tyrells and Queen Daenerys after Queen Margaery, Lord Mace Tyrell and the heir Ser Loras Tyrell were murdered along with hundreds of others by the mother of the King, who seized the Crown without anything resembling a legitimate claim. The Lannisters--with the assistance of the Tarlys--stole the wealth of Highgarden and plundered the riches of the Reach, their bountiful harvest so much more valuable than gold with winter coming. Unbelievably merciful, Queen Daenerys Targaryen offered them clemency, retaining their lives, lands and titles, if they'd swear allegiance to her (again) yet they refused.
They were not prisoners, they were criminals guilty of high treason and slaughtered many of their own countrymen in the above endeavor.
thank you for the welcome back jon was lord commander janos slynt was part of the nights watch and he refused to follow commands to guard some castle i believe or some task jon asked him to do he broke nights watch rules by doing that other watchers were there and didnt say anything or try to stop jon if what he was doing was so wrong , unlike tyrion pleading with dany not to burn the tarlys different circumstances and much different situations and i really dont see what one has to do with the other , the tarlys were prisoners of war , jon did right decision to execute janos slynt he was a corrupt person and he executed ned stark conveniently show gave us exactly what we wanted some justice for neds killer tyrion lannister knew well what he was doing when he send janos to the wall he knew he was a corrupt person , and it also ties in with Jonsa too , you know how? Frog-faced Lord Slynt sat at the end of the council table wearing a black velvet doublet and a shiny cloth-of-gold cape, nodding with approval every time the king pronounced a sentence. Sansa stared hard at his ugly face, remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head. But a voice inside her whispered, There are no heroes… – A Game of Thrones, Sansa VI
“I will not hang him,” said Jon. “Bring him here.” “Oh, Seven save us,” he heard Bowen Marsh cry out. The smile that Lord Janos Slynt smiled then had all the sweetness of rancid butter. Until Jon said, “Edd, fetch me a block,” and unsheathed Longclaw. – A Dance With Dragons, Jon IISansa hero ended up being jon snow another heavily jonsa forshadowing What the Tarleys were executed for was far worse than what Janos Slynt was beheaded for, that's what it has to do with this. The Tarlys were even given a chance to repent, Janos Slynt recanted and begged for his life on his knees and Jon still executed him.
Tyrion was wrong.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 15:08:57 GMT
jon did right decision to execute janos slynt he was a corrupt person and he executed ned stark conveniently show gave us exactly what we wanted some justice for neds killer tyrion lannister knew well what he was doing when he send janos to the wall he knew he was a corrupt person , and it also ties in with Jonsa too , you know how? I do not know Janos Slynt was corrupt. This is a wild accusation Tyrion makes the day he has him arrested and while we may believe Littlefinger paid him to side with Joffrey, it also was the right thing to do. Janos Slynt was a coward and an incompetent officer, he was a yes-man who followed Joffrey's orders without question but he was less corrupt than Bronn, whom Tyrion paid to help him take control of the City Watch. The same Bronn who then said his question to an order of killing children would be "how much?" Tyrion was not the good guy in S2.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 15:10:42 GMT
What the Tarleys were executed for was far worse than what Janos Slynt was beheaded for, that's what it has to do with this. The Tarlys were even given a chance to repent, Janos Slynt recanted and begged for his life on his knees and Jon still executed him. Tyrion was wrong. You have disgusting morals. Another leftard, I guess.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 19, 2019 15:18:07 GMT
Sophie Turner just said the same in her interview.
I think that it is just a matter of time that things resolve between them (unless one of the 3 dies). But after fighting and when humanity survives I can see peace between all 3 characters. Then the enemy would be Cersei.
I read the interview and sophie is talking from her characters perspective and actors in general wont spoil anything this early in any interview so was Sophie is saying here it IS sansa who actually believes jon loves dany ( jon didnt say anything ) and that bothers her a whole LOT which results in a whole lot of fighting with jon ( sexual angst) if jonsa is not a thing then why would did they even choose to have her be bothered by jons feelings for another woman? sansa didnt look like a sister who was bothered by her brothers choice but more like a woman who was in love . Don't know where you derive things from but only thing Sophie has said is that Jon is Clearly in love with Dany. She isn't talking about Sansa's feelings about anyone.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 19, 2019 15:23:12 GMT
What the Tarleys were executed for was far worse than what Janos Slynt was beheaded for, that's what it has to do with this. The Tarlys were even given a chance to repent, Janos Slynt recanted and begged for his life on his knees and Jon still executed him. Tyrion was wrong. You have disgusting morals. Another leftard, I guess. No, someone who sees the situation clearly and isn't burdened by emotional considerations in this matter.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 15:55:19 GMT
You have disgusting morals. Another leftard, I guess. No, someone who sees the situation clearly and isn't burdened by emotional considerations in this matter. The Tarlys were not given a chance "to repent", they were asked to join or die. Your choice of terms shows you judge their actions a crime and support the white washing of tyranny under a moral pretense. You're the last piece of shit, really.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 19, 2019 16:30:04 GMT
No, someone who sees the situation clearly and isn't burdened by emotional considerations in this matter. The Tarlys were not given a chance "to repent", they were asked to join or die. Your choice of terms shows you judge their actions a crime and support the white washing of tyranny under a moral pretense. You're the last piece of shit, really. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
It looks to me like you're in love with Cersei and Jonsa is in love with the idea Jon and Sansa are in love--or should be. It is obvious that Daenerys poses a clear and present danger to your loves thus your determined opposition to her and your deteriorating arguments, you're reduced to hurling insults when presented with clear-headed facts and analysis.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 19, 2019 16:55:55 GMT
I read the interview and sophie is talking from her characters perspective and actors in general wont spoil anything this early in any interview so was Sophie is saying here it IS sansa who actually believes jon loves dany ( jon didnt say anything ) and that bothers her a whole LOT which results in a whole lot of fighting with jon ( sexual angst) if jonsa is not a thing then why would did they even choose to have her be bothered by jons feelings for another woman? sansa didnt look like a sister who was bothered by her brothers choice but more like a woman who was in love . Don't know where you derive things from but only thing Sophie has said is that Jon is Clearly in love with Dany. She isn't talking about Sansa's feelings about anyone. Yes she is when Sophie is saying that she is talking about Sansa thinks of jons feelings may be , Jon hasn't uttered the word love to Dany he couldn't even answer sansas question if he loves her it's only in jonerys heads like yours that think that which will be proven wrong very soon
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 19, 2019 17:00:50 GMT
jon did right decision to execute janos slynt he was a corrupt person and he executed ned stark conveniently show gave us exactly what we wanted some justice for neds killer tyrion lannister knew well what he was doing when he send janos to the wall he knew he was a corrupt person , and it also ties in with Jonsa too , you know how? I do not know Janos Slynt was corrupt. This is a wild accusation Tyrion makes the day he has him arrested and while we may believe Littlefinger paid him to side with Joffrey, it also was the right thing to do. Janos Slynt was a coward and an incompetent officer, he was a yes-man who followed Joffrey's orders without question but he was less corrupt than Bronn, whom Tyrion paid to help him take control of the City Watch. The same Bronn who then said his question to an order of killing children would be "how much?" Tyrion was not the good guy in S2. Bronn would do anything for money and a castle I guess he really doesn't have values well now he has an order to kill Jamie and Tyrion at cersei request , will he do it ?
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 19, 2019 17:07:03 GMT
The Tarlys were not given a chance "to repent", they were asked to join or die. Your choice of terms shows you judge their actions a crime and support the white washing of tyranny under a moral pretense. You're the last piece of shit, really. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
It looks to me like you're in love with Cersei and Jonsa is in love with the idea Jon and Sansa are in love--or should be. It is obvious that Daenerys poses a clear and present danger to your loves thus your determined opposition to her and your deteriorating arguments, you're reduced to hurling insults when presented with clear-headed facts and analysis.
And you're in love with the idea of Dany ruling or being this savior all she is is a tyrant and I'm telling you she is the common enemy Jon is speaking of her days are numbered as for my ship I have very valid factual reasons to believe what I do from books and series , dany is not a threat to what I believe, she is a threat to Humanity period
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 19, 2019 17:16:36 GMT
The Tarlys were not given a chance "to repent", they were asked to join or die. Your choice of terms shows you judge their actions a crime and support the white washing of tyranny under a moral pretense. You're the last piece of shit, really. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
It looks to me like you're in love with Cersei and Jonsa is in love with the idea Jon and Sansa are in love--or should be. It is obvious that Daenerys poses a clear and present danger to your loves thus your determined opposition to her and your deteriorating arguments, you're reduced to hurling insults when presented with clear-headed facts and analysis. Oh, you think I care for a show I don't even watch? It's not about what happens in it, it's about the garbage you represent.
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