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Post by geode on Apr 20, 2019 11:32:36 GMT
Roma probably is a "coastal" kind of movie as it is true International / Indie kind of fare. No recognizable actors to an American audience, Spanish language subtitled and in black and white. Such movies play well in NY, LA, and SF. Not so well elsewhere. Maybe with Netflix distributing it this was different and led to it being a front runner to win the Academy Award for Best Picture?
Except for an intense section near the end, this is what I term a movie set at the pace of life. The cinematography was a big plus (by director Alfonso Cuarón), with some very long continuous takes adding to its effectiveness. This is one that I probably need to see a second time to know exactly what I think of it.
One thing I didn't like was the end credits. They are white and superimposed on a static shot largely of a light grey sky, and for the most part are not legible. Surely someboy must have noticed how badly done these are. Why were they not corrected?
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Post by Vits on Apr 28, 2019 9:00:36 GMT
9/10 No recognizable actors to an American audience Most of the actors also aren't famous in Mexico (Yalitza hadn't even acted before). Maybe with Netflix distributing it this was different and led to it being a front runner to win the Academy Award for Best Picture? I don't think the AMPAS voters care about how popular a movie is. Hell, that's something a lot of people complain about. That they should nominate more popular movies. You're right about it being seen by more moviegoers thanks to being available on a streaming service, though. |
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 11:25:29 GMT
9/10 No recognizable actors to an American audience Most of the actors also aren't famous in Mexico (Yalitza hadn't even acted before). Maybe with Netflix distributing it this was different and led to it being a front runner to win the Academy Award for Best Picture? I don't think the AMPAS voters care about how popular a movie is. Hell, that's something a lot of people complain about. That they should nominate more popular movies. You're right about it being seen by more moviegoers thanks to being available on a streaming service, though. There have been many deserving foreign language films that barely get noticed upon release. In part I think it is because outside of some urban centers subtitled movies do not do good box office and the opportunity to see them is not so great because they aren't booked on many screens. This one had a ground-swell of attention which I think was in part due to the way it was released. I think this had an impact on the voting, in its favor. Look at how many nominations it earned. How many foreign language movies perform this well with awards, including many that have been superior to this one?
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Post by Vits on Apr 29, 2019 11:39:40 GMT
Look at how many nominations it earned. How many foreign language movies perform this well with awards, including many that have been superior to this one? As I said, foreign language movies get nominated (not just for Oscars) regardless of the box office results. ROMA isn't the first one to be nominated in other categories.
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Post by nostromo on Apr 29, 2019 12:03:39 GMT
It is an amazing movie. 9/10 But lets remember that the only reason it was nominated for best picture was because Netflix paid around $60m in a campaign for it to win. You have to wonder how much of that money actually goes to the academy or affiliated people / organisations. fortune.com/2019/02/25/netflix-roma-oscar-campaign-green-book/There have been countless foreign language movies better than Roma in the last decade. 'Shoplifters' (2018) was better than Roma. But the producers don't have $60m to chuck around telling people how good it is. |
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:37:45 GMT
Look at how many nominations it earned. How many foreign language movies perform this well with awards, including many that have been superior to this one? As I said, foreign language movies get nominated (not just for Oscars) regardless of the box office results. ROMA isn't the first one to be nominated in other categories. It appears you may have missed my point. Yes, other foreign language pictures get nominated, but in so many categories as Roma?
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:47:45 GMT
It is an amazing movie. 9/10 But lets remember that the only reason it was nominated for best picture was because Netflix paid around $60m in a campaign for it to win. You have to wonder how much of that money actually goes to the academy or affiliated people / organisations. fortune.com/2019/02/25/netflix-roma-oscar-campaign-green-book/There have been countless foreign language movies better than Roma in the last decade. 'Shoplifters' (2018) was better than Roma. But the producers don't have $60m to chuck around telling people how good it is. I wasn't aware that Netflix had pulled this stunt. I have never used their services and I am outside the US. I had read about the promotion of "Shakespeare in Love" years ago. I think it one of the weakest films to ever take the Best Picture nod. I gave it 5/10.
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Post by Vits on Apr 30, 2019 16:32:58 GMT
It appears you may have missed my point. Yes, other foreign language pictures get nominated, but in so many categories as Roma? I don't think the number is that important. There have been foreign language movies nominated in a bunch categories but not Best Picture (CITY OF GOD and PAN'S LABYRINTH for example). There have been countless foreign language movies better than Roma in the last decade. 'Shoplifters' (2018) was better than Roma. But the producers don't have $60m to chuck around telling people how good it is. But SHOPLIFTERS was nominated.
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Post by nostromo on May 1, 2019 12:05:41 GMT
It appears you may have missed my point. Yes, other foreign language pictures get nominated, but in so many categories as Roma? I don't think the number is that important. There have been foreign language movies nominated in a bunch categories but not Best Picture (CITY OF GOD and PAN'S LABYRINTH for example). There have been countless foreign language movies better than Roma in the last decade. 'Shoplifters' (2018) was better than Roma. But the producers don't have $60m to chuck around telling people how good it is. But SHOPLIFTERS was nominated. Not for best picture. Which is what I'm talking about.
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Post by Vits on May 1, 2019 16:30:40 GMT
Not for best picture. Which is what I'm talking about. But you were talking about the money for campaigning. That means that more voters than usual got to know about the movie's existance. After watching it, they decided to vote for it. That doesn't mean that every movie with a For Your Consideration campaign gets nominated. The fact that SHOPLIFTERS was nominated means that a lot of voters saw it, so its lack of campaign has nothing to do with this. In fact, aren't foreign movies directly submitted as their country's representative? Doesn't that mean that the same amount of voters who saw ROMA saw SHOPLIFTERS?
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Post by nostromo on May 2, 2019 9:11:44 GMT
Not for best picture. Which is what I'm talking about. But you were talking about the money for campaigning. That means that more voters than usual got to know about the movie's existance. After watching it, they decided to vote for it. That doesn't mean that every movie with a For Your Consideration campaign gets nominated. The fact that SHOPLIFTERS was nominated means that a lot of voters saw it, so its lack of campaign has nothing to do with this. In fact, aren't foreign movies directly submitted as their country's representative? Doesn't that mean that the same amount of voters who saw ROMA saw SHOPLIFTERS? I don't understand why you are talking about the foreign movie category. As you say - those movies are put forward by their own country. If Netflix hadn't spent $60m on a campaign for ROMA - it wouldn't have got a nomination for best picture. That is my belief. My belief is that there is basically bribery at play. Otherwise why on earth would Harvey Weinstein be paying $15m dollars for Shakespear in Love's academy campaign, when it as already one of the most talked about movies of the year? As it happens - ROMA probably deserved to be in the best picture of the year category. But so did Shoplifters. Anyone with half a brain can see that Shoplifters is a million times better than that Queen film and Black Panther. But there was no way it was ever getting nominated for best picture. Because of money. The best picture nominees and winner are all about money and politics. Which is why the oscars are a joke. Since 1927, there have been 546 films nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture. Just 11 of those have been in a language other than English. The Oscars are a cringeworthy joke.
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Post by Vits on May 2, 2019 16:21:25 GMT
I don't understand why you are talking about the foreign movie category. As you say - those movies are put forward by their own country. If Netflix hadn't spent $60m on a campaign for ROMA - it wouldn't have got a nomination for best picture. That is my belief. My belief is that there is basically bribery at play. Don't most if not not all of the voters for the Best Foreign Language Film also vote for Best Picture? Since 1927, there have been 546 films nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture. Just 11 of those have been in a language other than English. The Oscars are a cringeworthy joke. That doesn't prove the Oscars are a joke. For many decades, Hollywood was the centre of cinema. Most productions had the necessary resources.
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Post by geode on May 24, 2019 13:37:02 GMT
"Independent films like Shoplifters, have to go through the exhibitor channels to get screened and can't buy their way into awards out of fiscal privilege."
Not really fair, is it?
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jul 19, 2019 10:55:45 GMT
I loved it, probably my #3 for 2018. I liked it a little more than Shoplifters actually.
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Post by zombieaddicted on Sept 5, 2019 3:30:06 GMT
7/10
It was ok. Wish it was more enjoyable.
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Post by geode on Sept 20, 2019 9:23:25 GMT
I loved it, probably my #3 for 2018. I liked it a little more than Shoplifters actually. I liked it a little better than "Shoplifters" as well. |
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Post by geode on Oct 16, 2019 10:21:09 GMT
Has International Film disappeared and been folded into Film General?
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 16, 2019 10:51:07 GMT
It had powerful moments and was carefully crafted but a little dry and self-important for my liking. None of them characters registered at all and there was very little energy to the narrative. For the record I thought Shoplifters was a lot better - and Burning, and Happy as Lazzaro, and Capernaum and no doubt plenty of other non-English titles from last year that I haven’t had the opportunity to see. 5/10
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Post by nostromo on Oct 16, 2019 11:01:52 GMT
Watched it again recently. My rating of it went from 9/10 to 10/10
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 16, 2019 16:11:43 GMT
Loved it
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