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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 15:03:13 GMT
It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. You story didn't survive the most cursory of fact checks before it unravelled. That you have attempted to add more layers to the story in the forlorn hope it will lend it more credibility is just pathetic,and also the undoing of most liars. This is the original story you told: This is the new version: So who were you speaking to him or her? (Her in the original version,him in the new version) What was the relationship between that man and women? (Some guy in the original version,man and wife in the new version) Who denied we were evolved from gorillas? (In the original story the man said we did evolve from gorillas the women disagreed,in the new version he denied we evolved from gorillas and the women agreed) That's three points of blatant contradiction in the two versions of the story you've told. You Sir are a liar and have been easily proven as such. Get over it. That's not a new version of the story. I talked to the GM after I spoke with her. Really bro, you can stop trying this hard.
Also, your "fact check" didn't do anything. It could have been the Discovery Channel for all I know. If I knew you were going to spend time looking up channel listings like a complete psycho I would have been more helpful. I didn't look up the channel listings that would have been CashisSupreme. And I' m sure you would have made up a better story if you knew someone was going to fact check it. Posters just got tired of your anecdotes that convienantly appeared relating to whichever topic we were discussing all of them painting believers as drooling morons and you the atheist as the sole voice of reason. And what do you know when Cash put just one of your anecdotes under a cursory examination it fell apart. Nothing psychotic in proving a liar a liar mate. And just to put the icing on the cake of your dishonesty you've now altered the story for a third time. Here's your original post to me: Now here's the edited version you changed it to 11 minutes after your original post: Busted You sir have been caught lying again
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Apr 8, 2017 16:36:21 GMT
Feel free to elaborate on whatever you think I'm missing. I mean, I've never gotten a clear answer when I've questioned anyone in my family. Theist philosophers have made more sophisicated arguments. See William Paley's watchmaker analogy for example. Oh, sure, I don't deny that theologians have made more sophisticated arguments: I was simply referring to your average person that uses the "I can't explain something otherwise, so God."
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Post by Jonesy1 on Apr 8, 2017 17:08:56 GMT
No that story actually happened. The GM of that hotel was German and I had a long discussion with him about him moving here with his wife and what he felt about that tennis tournament where an WWII era national anthem was sung by mistake.
Did you really spend time going back to find that just to repost it? And did he actually spend time looking up channel scheduling just to try to discredit it? I just want you to realize how silly your attempt is by pointing out that I walked into the lobby, a nature show is on, the guy is talking about evolution, and I introduce myself to her. This all took about 15 seconds. Maybe it was the nature channel, who cares?
They were watching a show about gorillas and evolution. Get over it.
Do you seriously believe that anybody actually believes that any of your anecdotes are true?
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Post by johnblutarsky on Apr 8, 2017 17:17:53 GMT
I don't personally know any religious people who think this way. Dennis, I'm not picking on you (since a few people made the same type of statement). For some reason, it's easy to reply to some posts on this website, but other times it's not. Anyway....I have heard several different people make the statement, "I can't think of a better reason why <insert topic here>; therefore, it must be the work of God!" Just because some people don't hear other people saying that statement, doesn't mean that it's not being said.
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Post by dividavi on Apr 9, 2017 10:22:11 GMT
Theist philosophers have made more sophisicated arguments. See William Paley's watchmaker analogy for example. Oh, sure, I don't deny that theologians have made more sophisticated arguments: I was simply referring to your average person that uses the "I can't explain something otherwise, so God." I certainly do deny that theologians have made arguments that are more sophisticated than what you can get from the believer on the street. Instead, they make the same arguments as anyone else but they apply impressive and pretentious words to appear to be erudite. For example, there's the Kalam Cosmological Argument that can be summarized thus: There just has to be a God that started everything; there can't be an infinite regress. Everything but God needs a beginning. Then there's the Teleological Argument or Argument From Design. It basically says that things appear to be designed so there must be a Designer God. But everything is made of atoms and atoms look designed so there's nothing that wasn't designed. It's a stupid circular argument. The latest theological trickery is Fine Tuning argument, something based on "the wholly unwarranted assumption that only carbon-based life is possible." (Victor Stenger) Are there examples of Christian Apologist types using the argument from ignorance, i.e "What else could it be?" Here's a recent episode from the Atheist Experience show where Florida professor Stephanie Thomason uses that argument, word for word: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmKTUOzXRkI
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 9, 2017 14:15:15 GMT
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District
It was 13 years ago and wasn't arguing what you claim it was. The closest thing someone has to the ridiculous notion that religious people are out and out trying to replace normal science studies with creationism is comparison between the two and it has never advanced anywhere except in the most podunk of places and even then it is ignored and dismissed. There is absolutely NO danger to the teaching of evolution is school and hasn;t been for decades. This has gotten to the point that people pretending there is are lying/willfully exagerating about it to advance their stupid irrational cause about what kind of danger I and others are. Religious based private schools are not your concern since they are distinct from the public. I couldn't find anything indicating that charter schools are actually allowed to teach creationism. If some are, then that sounds like a simple lawsuit should clear that up. That's an atheist problem. If you guys would grow some cojones and admit to being atheists, there would be a different number since there are probably a ton of them that are simply being dishonest. In any event, it isn't my job or responsibility to vote atheists into Congress as long as I'm not voting based on their beliefs. I will say that I will always vote for someone interested in protecting my beliefs so if someone like you were running, I would be vehemently opposed to it since your thoughts are whacky.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 9, 2017 14:23:13 GMT
Errrrrrrrrrrr what?
Why do people make arguments like this?
If they're unexplained, then there is no current explanation. So that makes god just a synonym for no explanation? God means you don't know. Wow. Let's worship that. You're like a band that needs to release a new album because no one is buying the old ones. Why do the bands whose old albums are still selling great seem to make more new albums?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 14:49:58 GMT
The unexplained isn't half as frightening or depressing as the explained. People hope and trust in God ,I think in part ,because,confronted with the reality of human nature and all its weaknesses they have nothing else real to hope in.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 9, 2017 14:52:27 GMT
The unexplained isn't half as frightening or depressing as the explained. People hope and trust in God ,I think in part ,because,confronted with the reality of human nature and all its weaknesses they have nothing else real to hope in. Except that there isn't much that is unexplained about God. There may be people that want to remain willfully ignorant about his ways, but they are far from mysterious in most cases.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 14:57:01 GMT
The unexplained isn't half as frightening or depressing as the explained. People hope and trust in God ,I think in part ,because,confronted with the reality of human nature and all its weaknesses they have nothing else real to hope in. Except that there isn't much that is unexplained about God. There may be people that want to remain willfully ignorant about his ways, but they are far from mysterious in most cases. ?? I didn't read the opening question's 'unexplained ' as referring to that which is unexplained or unknown of God.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 9, 2017 15:02:56 GMT
Except that there isn't much that is unexplained about God. There may be people that want to remain willfully ignorant about his ways, but they are far from mysterious in most cases. ?? I didn't read the opening question's 'unexplained ' as referring to that which is unexplained or unknown of God. I think it's directly related because the correlation is those things that cannot be explained are explained by just saying "God did it" which is ridiculous and connotes mystery or ignorance. No one does really does that and the reality is that people can easily love science and God and look forward to the unexplained being explained. However, if it's just some study guessing about something, then it should be taken with a grain of salt. Some don't think that grain of salt should exist and, like the OP, should instead dishonestly portray the danger that doesn't exist while at the same time mocking that which they are scared of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 15:11:00 GMT
?? I didn't read the opening question's 'unexplained ' as referring to that which is unexplained or unknown of God. I think it's directly related because the correlation is those things that cannot be explained are explained by just saying "God did it" which is ridiculous and connotes mystery or ignorance. No one does really does that and the reality is that people can easily love science and God and look forward to the unexplained being explained. However, if it's just some study guessing about something, then it should be taken with a grain of salt. Some don't think that grain of salt should exist and, like the OP, should instead dishonestly portray the danger that doesn't exist while at the same time mocking that which they are scared of. The god of the gaps is easy to knock but I don't think many believe in that god. I'd be an atheist myself if that were the only God option out there.
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Post by chasallnut on Apr 9, 2017 17:37:55 GMT
No that story actually happened. The GM of that hotel was German and I had a long discussion with him about him moving here with his wife and what he felt about that tennis tournament where an WWII era national anthem was sung by mistake.
Did you really spend time going back to find that just to repost it? And did he actually spend time looking up channel scheduling just to try to discredit it? I just want you to realize how silly your attempt is by pointing out that I walked into the lobby, a nature show is on, the guy is talking about evolution, and I introduce myself to her. This all took about 15 seconds. Maybe it was the nature channel, who cares?
They were watching a show about gorillas and evolution. Get over it.
Do you seriously believe that anybody actually believes that any of your anecdotes are true? He seriously believes it, just that no one else does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 17:46:08 GMT
Do you seriously believe that anybody actually believes that any of your anecdotes are true? He seriously believes it, just that no one else does. He seems to have pulled the ejection lever in his own thread. The way the details of his story kept changing and then contradicting each other was fairly amusing.
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Post by chasallnut on Apr 10, 2017 6:54:05 GMT
He seriously believes it, just that no one else does. He seems to have pulled the ejection lever in his own thread. The way the details of his story kept changing and then contradicting each other was fairly amusing. The guy's a liar and an arrogant buffoon believing his word to be absolute. Just look at his little hissy fits when anyone questions the MCU, particularly Captain America. Everyone is wrong and he is right. It's like dealing with a petulant five year old. He is boring and predictable.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2017 6:56:36 GMT
He seems to have pulled the ejection lever in his own thread. The way the details of his story kept changing and then contradicting each other was fairly amusing. The guy's a liar and an arrogant buffoon believing his word to be absolute. Just look at his little hissy fits when anyone questions the MCU, particularly Captain America. Everyone is wrong and he is right. It's like dealing with a petulant five year old. He is boring and predictable. What name did you use on the old IMDb boards? I remember Superdude, but I don't remember you.
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Post by progressiveelement on Apr 10, 2017 7:07:24 GMT
The guy's a liar and an arrogant buffoon believing his word to be absolute. Just look at his little hissy fits when anyone questions the MCU, particularly Captain America. Everyone is wrong and he is right. It's like dealing with a petulant five year old. He is boring and predictable. What name did you use on the old IMDb boards? I remember Superdude, but I don't remember you. m.youtube.com/watch?v=rYr7I4gOSXk
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 9:51:52 GMT
The guy's a liar and an arrogant buffoon believing his word to be absolute. Just look at his little hissy fits when anyone questions the MCU, particularly Captain America. Everyone is wrong and he is right. It's like dealing with a petulant five year old. He is boring and predictable. I liked his name on the old board AtheismBecauseReason mainly because he proved it to be an oxy-moron(emphasis on the moron part) with just about every one of his posts. PD speculated he had some type of autistic disorder. Myself I thought he was just a slightly more intelligent, less insulting version of Ada. The same need to make arrogant presumptions about people based on nothing more than their lack of belief,the same need to assign strawman positions to people in order to make a point,the same need to never acknowledge a mistake or admit being wrong,and finally the ability to make up anecdotes at the drop of a hat to back up their absurd statements,oh and the ability to run away when faced with these truths. Some his old posts are unintentionally amusing.
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Post by chasallnut on Apr 10, 2017 10:07:48 GMT
The guy's a liar and an arrogant buffoon believing his word to be absolute. Just look at his little hissy fits when anyone questions the MCU, particularly Captain America. Everyone is wrong and he is right. It's like dealing with a petulant five year old. He is boring and predictable. I liked his name on the old board AtheismBecauseReason mainly because he proved it to be an oxy-moron(emphasis on the moron part) with just about every one of his posts. PD speculated he had some type of autistic disorder. Myself I thought he was just a slightly more intelligent, less insulting version of Ada. The same need to make arrogant presumptions about people based on nothing more than their lack of belief,the same need to assign strawman positions to people in order to make a point,the same need to never acknowledge a mistake or admit being wrong,and finally the ability to make up anecdotes at the drop of a hat to back up their absurd statements,oh and the ability to run away when faced with these truths. Some his old posts are unintentionally amusing. I love that one. "I get told I'm a nice guy at poker tables." Let's not forget, he got married in a church!!! and apparently took umbrage when the vicar/priest brought religion into the ceremony. . The guy is comedy gold.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 10, 2017 10:09:19 GMT
I can't take him and his stories too seriously.
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