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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 25, 2019 4:38:17 GMT
The Fool in the North banned her. She's lucky that's all he did. She destroyed House Baratheon and abandoned Stannis. She can go die! The idiot disregarded a potential resource he did not understand for the sake of "good feelings". Another example of how the show caters to moral stupidity. Jon Snow is an utter moron and people like him. The story really equates dumb with good and clever with evil at this point.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 25, 2019 6:02:51 GMT
The Fool in the North banned her. She's lucky that's all he did. She destroyed House Baratheon and abandoned Stannis. She can go die! Who's doing was that though? Melisandre or R'Hllor ('The Lord of Light') whose church--we found out later--strongly backs Dany?
I suspect Melisandre was nothing more than a tool, those powers and visions came from R'Hllor.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 25, 2019 6:30:25 GMT
She's lucky that's all he did. She destroyed House Baratheon and abandoned Stannis. She can go die! Who's doing was that though? Melisandre or R'Hllor ('The Lord of Light') whose church--we found out later--strongly backs Dany?
I suspect Melisandre was nothing more than a tool, those powers and visions came from R'Hllor.
The decisions were Stannis' own. No one forced him to believe in nonsense. As usual, leftists fucks are the first ones to shift the blame wherever they want. Go fuck yourself, turd.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 25, 2019 6:52:41 GMT
Who's doing was that though? Melisandre or R'Hllor ('The Lord of Light') whose church--we found out later--strongly backs Dany?
I suspect Melisandre was nothing more than a tool, those powers and visions came from R'Hllor.
The decisions were Stannis' own. No one forced him to believe in nonsense. As usual, leftists fucks are the first ones to shift the blame wherever they want. Go fuck yourself, turd. It wasn't nonsense though, that's the interesting thing. The end result was a dramatic winnowing and then the end of the (legitimate) Baratheon royal family. Evidence from the show suggests Melisandre didn't deceive Stannis, and the one with the actual power is R'Hllor, whose followers back Dany for whatever unexplained reason. The culmination was the resurrection of Aegon Targaryen. R'Hllor's footprints are all over this story, just like the Night King's....
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 25, 2019 7:02:28 GMT
The decisions were Stannis' own. No one forced him to believe in nonsense. As usual, leftists fucks are the first ones to shift the blame wherever they want. Go fuck yourself, turd. It wasn't nonsense though, that's the interesting thing. The end result was a dramatic winnowing and then the end of the (legitimate) Baratheon royal family. Evidence from the show suggests Melisandre didn't deceive Stannis, and the one with the actual power is R'Hllor, whose followers back Dany for whatever unexplained reason. The culmination was the resurrection of Aegon Targaryen. R'Hllor's footprints are all over this story, just like the Night King's....
It was nonsense. Sacrificing people had no visible impact. Stannis should have seen that the moment he started. I see you're falling for all possible stupidities here, like associating an unexplained phenomena to the drivel that others come up with. You're too dumb to talk to, really, the only point of my answers is to show it.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 25, 2019 7:19:53 GMT
It wasn't nonsense though, that's the interesting thing. The end result was a dramatic winnowing and then the end of the (legitimate) Baratheon royal family. Evidence from the show suggests Melisandre didn't deceive Stannis, and the one with the actual power is R'Hllor, whose followers back Dany for whatever unexplained reason. The culmination was the resurrection of Aegon Targaryen. R'Hllor's footprints are all over this story, just like the Night King's....
It was nonsense. Sacrificing people had no visible impact. Stannis should have seen that the moment he started. I see you're falling for all possible stupidities here, like associating an unexplained phenomena to the drivel that others come up with. You're too dumb to talk to, really, the only point of my answers is to show it. The shadow baby had a visible impact and was not exactly 'unexplained.' The resurrection of Jon had a visible impact. The sacrificing of Shireen caused the death of Selyse and allowed Stannis as well the rest of the Baratheon loyalists to march to their doom at Winterfell, whilst at the same time saving the lives of thousands of Essosian mercenaries who could then desert. All of this was the work of R'Hllor.
The Fire God in a saga entitled "A Song of Ice and Fire."
BTW, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning, or are you substituting beer for for milk nowadays?
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 25, 2019 15:13:14 GMT
I suspect Melisandre was nothing more than a tool, those powers and visions came from R'Hllor.
Hmmm. I have a theory on all of this based on everything presented in the books and show. I don't think R'hllor is real. I think the power used by Melisandre is magic "leftover" (at least that can be remembered) from when magic was very prevalent in the world. The characters are quick to point to some deity, but none as far we know have witnessed this Lord of Light. Similarly to the other religions in the books/show, none of them are presented to have any real power outside of "Earthly" powers like gold, property, followers, etc. I'm thinking Melisandre's bottles of potions, the infamous shadow baby, the leeches, etc. are a combination of coincidence, illusion, and old legitimate magic left behind by magical beings (like the Children of the Forest).
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 25, 2019 15:15:25 GMT
BTW, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning, or are you substituting beer for for milk nowadays?
That's pretty typical behavior for Leo, unfortunately.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 25, 2019 15:31:56 GMT
It was nonsense. Sacrificing people had no visible impact. Stannis should have seen that the moment he started. I see you're falling for all possible stupidities here, like associating an unexplained phenomena to the drivel that others come up with. You're too dumb to talk to, really, the only point of my answers is to show it. The shadow baby had a visible impact and was not exactly 'unexplained.' The resurrection of Jon had a visible impact. The sacrificing of Shireen caused the death of Selyse and allowed Stannis as well the rest of the Baratheon loyalists to march to their doom at Winterfell, whilst at the same time saving the lives of thousands of Essosian mercenaries who could then desert. All of this was the work of R'Hllor.
The Fire God in a saga entitled "A Song of Ice and Fire."
BTW, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning, or are you substituting beer for for milk nowadays?
Yes, and the link between shadow thingies, resurrections and whatever Melisandre claims sacrifices would do is inexistent. You're that idiot who would believe in God because some monk has shown you a light bulb. You're very easy to fool when told the things you want to believe in. Garbage.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 25, 2019 15:41:17 GMT
I suspect Melisandre was nothing more than a tool, those powers and visions came from R'Hllor.
Hmmm. I have a theory on all of this based on everything presented in the books and show. I don't think R'hllor is real. I think the power used by Melisandre is magic "leftover" (at least that can be remembered) from when magic was very prevalent in the world. The characters are quick to point to some deity, but none as far we know have witnessed this Lord of Light. Similarly to the other religions in the books/show, none of them are presented to have any real power outside of "Earthly" powers like gold, property, followers, etc. I'm thinking Melisandre's bottles of potions, the infamous shadow baby, the leeches, etc. are a combination of coincidence, illusion, and old legitimate magic left behind by magical beings (like the Children of the Forest). Book readers think the 3-eyed Raven is sending those visions through some uncertain network, manipulating things. Melisandre then attributes them to her deity. That doesn't work in the show but it doesn't matter. She said she uses the rest to trick people into believing her "truth", claiming that higher purpose as a moral justification. Now, there is the worthy parallel to real human behaviour, the actual reason for this to be part of the story. The author wants to show this example of the "white lie", the bad behaviour justified for its intended positive outcome. He also wants to show people's beliefs as mostly misguided, as the result of their own wishes rather than rigorous observation. This is why none of them will be confirmed, they will all be flawed. That's why Ned Stark is made to start a bloody disastrous war for a silly principle. All misguided people making a mess out of good, pure or seemingly justified intentions.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 25, 2019 15:47:29 GMT
Hmmm. I have a theory on all of this based on everything presented in the books and show. I don't think R'hllor is real. I think the power used by Melisandre is magic "leftover" (at least that can be remembered) from when magic was very prevalent in the world. The characters are quick to point to some deity, but none as far we know have witnessed this Lord of Light. Similarly to the other religions in the books/show, none of them are presented to have any real power outside of "Earthly" powers like gold, property, followers, etc. I'm thinking Melisandre's bottles of potions, the infamous shadow baby, the leeches, etc. are a combination of coincidence, illusion, and old legitimate magic left behind by magical beings (like the Children of the Forest). He also wants to show people's beliefs as mostly misguided, as the result of their own wishes rather than rigorous observation. Ladies and gentleman, Leo makes a great point. He himself is the apex example of that point. No one's beliefs are as misguided, nor the result of their own wishes rather than rigorous example. What an obtuse piece of shit.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 25, 2019 16:31:23 GMT
I suspect Melisandre was nothing more than a tool, those powers and visions came from R'Hllor.
Hmmm. I have a theory on all of this based on everything presented in the books and show. I don't think R'hllor is real. I think the power used by Melisandre is magic "leftover" (at least that can be remembered) from when magic was very prevalent in the world. The characters are quick to point to some deity, but none as far we know have witnessed this Lord of Light. Similarly to the other religions in the books/show, none of them are presented to have any real power outside of "Earthly" powers like gold, property, followers, etc. I'm thinking Melisandre's bottles of potions, the infamous shadow baby, the leeches, etc. are a combination of coincidence, illusion, and old legitimate magic left behind by magical beings (like the Children of the Forest). I don't think that fits, consider Thoros of Myr. He's sent to the court of Robert Baratheon to convert him, loses his faith and starts drinking himself to oblivion, then at the Mummer's Ford manages to resurrect Beric at about the same time Daenerys emerges from a pyre with three dragons born from stone. Then he resurrects Beric five more times, but just him--it works on no one else. Melisandre seemed convinced it was R'Hllor behind her visions suggesting it was not one of her tricks (like I suspect the leeches were) and was broken and despondent after Stannis' failure until she raised Jon to her great surprise.
I think you're right about the Seven and the Drowned God, there's been no indications they have any power at all, but the Night King definitely does and I think it indisputable the minions of R'Hllor do, and they attribute it all to him. We know there are magical ice beings and we know there is magic attributed to a Fire god and this is 'a song of ice and fire.'
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Post by Marendil on Apr 25, 2019 16:56:23 GMT
The shadow baby had a visible impact and was not exactly 'unexplained.' The resurrection of Jon had a visible impact. The sacrificing of Shireen caused the death of Selyse and allowed Stannis as well the rest of the Baratheon loyalists to march to their doom at Winterfell, whilst at the same time saving the lives of thousands of Essosian mercenaries who could then desert. All of this was the work of R'Hllor.
The Fire God in a saga entitled "A Song of Ice and Fire."
BTW, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning, or are you substituting beer for for milk nowadays?
Yes, and the link between shadow thingies, resurrections and whatever Melisandre claims sacrifices would do is inexistent. You're that idiot who would believe in God because some monk has shown you a light bulb. You're very easy to fool when told the things you want to believe in. Garbage. The people doing these magical things don't think they've any power at all, they think it's coming from R'Hllor, even if they long ago lost their faith, like Thoros.
We know the Night King is real and has legitimate magic though for thousands of years few believed in it anymore. We know that followers of a Fire God can do legitimate magic as well. In the case of the former we know there is an intelligence controlling the otherwise seemingly mindless wights and it has a plan, I don't think it implausible that there's an intelligence and a plan behind the Fire magic as well.
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