Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 23, 2019 22:55:07 GMT
Why are there so many stupid people who shoot at Supergirl/Superman and think it's going to do anything?
I find myself on the fence as to how effective this setup of Supergirl actually would be. It's somewhat reminiscent of Superman III where the artificial Kryptonite Richard Pryor's character makes turns Superman into a dick and the public loses faith in him. But in that case it really technically was him, just under the influence of something altered his behavior; and the movie just glosses over how the public came to perceived him and they acted like nothing happened.
This is something very different though, because it was an outright hostile act against the highest office in the country; and on video. And while the audience knows she didn't do it, how credible should that be to the general public? It's such a mixed bag, because on the one hand, in the real world we don't really have a point of reference where we can look at something like this and say, "oh yeah, that was an elaborate conspiracy where it's entirely made up and complete bullshit; so this is conceivably not real also." There are people with that level of cognitive dissonance out there, but they're either on the fringe or are being fed crap by a deranged lunatic; and they don't even need an actual footage of a hypothetical threat in order to believe it exists. I can't think of a comparable situation where you have real video footage of what appears to be someone doing one thing and rational person could look at it and say, "that's not something that person would normally do, I don't believe it was really them; there must be something more."
And yet in the world of Supergirl it's more than just plausible, even without a black-Kryptonite double, this is a world with shape-shifters and holographic masks where people aren't who they appear to be; and this would be fairly common knowledge. But there again, people buy into the narrative they're already inclined to believe; so anyone who had doubts about Supergirl to begin with would probably more readily accept what happened at face value rather than question it too much.
I sort of wonder if they could have done it another way, keeping the audience in the dark as to whether or not that was the real Kara, but I think the audience has become so jaded they'd probably work it out simply by virtue of the fact that the show would have to find a way to restore the status quo when all was said and done; and most of us would probably assume some type trickery, just because it would border on being predictable and almost a cliche.
I also can't help but wonder if Superman wouldn't have turned himself in and let the court system prove him innocent. I sort of feel he would. Not only that, but I think that might have been an episode of Lois and Clark. I think the episode where people are making the accusation that Superman's power are causing unnatural rise in temperatures (when it's actually Lex using some ridiculous device). And he free gives himself up and swears not to use his powers until the matter can be resolved, but naturally Superman being the schmuck that he is doesn't even get out of the courthouse when something happens and he reacts by using his powers.
So I wonder if Supergirl should give herself up and prove through the system that she's innocent. Sadly, and entirely because where I think the system is at these days, I would be inclined to say, no; because the system can't be trusted to actually get to the truth or not convict an innocent person of something they didn't do....
Oh FFS, I get not trying to reason with the people who are shooting at you; nothing you can say is going to change their minds, certainly not in that mindset. But when the guy you save questions what happened, that's definitely the time to speak up. That's someone who clearly wants to understand. You don't have to go into every minute detail, but just say, "It wasn't me. Please believe that in spite of what was shown on TV, I would never betray you or the country like this and I hope to prove it." He'd probably listen to that and in turn he'd make his case to others that it's worth keeping an open mind and give her the benefit of the doubt. But instead she stands there dumbstruck while he walks away with only doubt.
Jeez, I thought the warden at Lex's prison was just a weak link that Lex exploited, but he's an out and out weasel. Okay, fine, he's dirty and has money hidden in offshore accounts, but he doesn't even tell his husband about it? What a creep.
Of course Brainy shouts, "no one is more clandestine than I" at the top of the lungs, because fuck Braniac 5 being one of the smartest people in the universe....
Oh Christ, they're definitely going to put Alex and James' sister together....
I wouldn't mind so much if James' sister wasn't so fucking boring. Honestly, I can't even remember her name; nor do I care enough to bother looking her up.
Jesus tap dancing Christ, Brainy, just push the damn button and delete the fucking registry already!
Huh... I've seen Adam West's Batman do this stress management exercise, but it was always played off like he was making a bat gesture (or a dove shadow puppet) It would be trippy if it turned out that version of Batman was the one who had and constructively worked through PTSD.
Oh, so they're giving James powers after all...
I get that everybody in Lex's prison was corrupt, but why did he even have a "neighbor"? Why was Lex Luthor, of all people, in with the general population? Why weren't there more precautions taken with a criminal of his caliber, once he was caught and definitively proven guilty?
Say what you will about the "New 52," one concept I sort of liked was when they explored how Superman finally got Lex locked up, he played to Lex's ego by putting it on Lex - the world's greatest mind - to conceive of a prison that Lex Luthor could not escape from. A little paradoxical. I can't remember if they specified in the comics that Superman or someone checked his work to ensure he wasn't hiding a means of escape, but the idea that Lex might be compelled to meet the challenge or admit there was something he couldn't do was intriguing. But it also underlined the fact that Lex Luthor is no ordinary criminal and requires something more than an ordinary jail.
Interesting to see Willie Garson in this episode. He's always a good character actor that I enjoy seeing pop up on shows; although I feel bad that he's not at a level of prominence that I didn't immediately know his name and had to look it up. As soon as I saw him though, I knew he'd be more than a bit character, but I'm sort of disappointed he's not playing someone with better name recognition for the comics or something. Kara talks about him leaking documents for the DOD, which I suppose is meant to make him an allegory for Snowden or Assange.
...And naturally he's sown the seeds of doubt in Kara's mind, that "everything you touch turns to ruin" - without of course laying out any real, conclusive evidence to that end.... Is she - and Superman, for that matter - a little heavy handed at times? Sometimes. It's sort of like that but from the movie Hancock, where Will Smith's character saves Jason Bateman's character by destroying the oncoming train instead of picking up the stalled car and move it out of the way. The real problem is that the writers too often don't bother to think through the logical inconsistencies of a character's behavior and take for granted that the flashier action is at least sometimes the dumbest thing they could do. But instead of laying their shortcomings at the feet of the characters, pointing out needless flaws, they should address them, somehow. One Batman book I read approached his stories from a forensic perspective; and it showed a much more methodical Batman, who took the effort of putting on the paper booties CSIs have to wear so as not to contaminate a crime scene; and it talked about how the fingertips of her gloves were intentionally designed to be thick enough for him not to leave finger prints, but thin enough for him to be able to pick-up objects and have a comparable range of movement like he'd have without them. You can't always go that deep into things like that, but sometimes a throw away line or visual enough to establish that some thought is going into some of these things and the characters aren't complete idiots.
So that's Brainy's bright idea; his alternative is to get Nura to peak into the future to figure out what he should decide? Could he not find a Ouija board?
Nicely done, Nura. Are we sure this is Brainiac 5 and not his brother, Idiot Jed?
Seriously, what the hell are the prisoners supposed to do to Supergirl? There may be a lot of them, but they can't hurt her; while she could turn them into so much paste.
I kind of liked the flashback to when Lex and Lena were younger; I sort of would like to see more of that - but not going to lie, I figured there was probably something behind his etching like 10-15 minutes ago; and thought they should have had Kara scan the room with her x-ray vision for any hidden compartments....
It's especially unsurprising, considering that Kara effectively sealed Lena up in Lex's cell, what with her welding the egress points on her way out; so how else was Lena going to get out of there?
So Supergirl is just always going to wear the Kryptonite shield from now on as part of her costume, right? Even when this one gets damaged or destroyed by the end of the episode, she'll get it fixed or replaced; maybe with one that's a bit more durable?
Oh, for fuck sake, context people; Superman/Supergirl's disguise is not magic, they don't cast a Confundus Charm, it is predominantly based on the fact that the average person does not come in contact with both their civilian and super personas; and even those that do, fewer still would encounter both of them in such a short time frame or else they're bound to more readily notice the similarities in appearance. Otis is dumb, but come on; he would not walk into a room mid-battle with Supergirl and think this is some random stranger rather than realize Supergirl just changed her clothes. This is why their disguise gets such flack, because when it's used this way it's clear and obvious bullshit.
"You're the second person today to ask me about that psycho..." '....and you kinda look like the first person who asked...I'm sure that's a coincidence...'
Why doesn't she use the thunderclap more often? Like in the vast majority of her fights? She took out Outis pretty effectively.
"Where is Supergirl?" - Uh, have you checked the rest of the prison already or just that first room? Pretty sure it's just the first room, since she's clearly still in the prison; so maybe don't jump the gun so quickly, especially while carrying an actual gun.
I can't help but feel like Kara's partnership with Lena and Alex would be more effective if they knew her civilian identity...
I'm not surprised the general pressed the call button twice, but the whole thing was forced. The entire idea of the advice Alex got from James' sister was to find a common ground between Alex and the general so that she could make her case from a more rational stand point, but instead it comes off as Alex trying to manipulate her and they never resolve that point of contention.
Ben Lockwood must have a really small penis....
I find myself on the fence as to how effective this setup of Supergirl actually would be. It's somewhat reminiscent of Superman III where the artificial Kryptonite Richard Pryor's character makes turns Superman into a dick and the public loses faith in him. But in that case it really technically was him, just under the influence of something altered his behavior; and the movie just glosses over how the public came to perceived him and they acted like nothing happened.
This is something very different though, because it was an outright hostile act against the highest office in the country; and on video. And while the audience knows she didn't do it, how credible should that be to the general public? It's such a mixed bag, because on the one hand, in the real world we don't really have a point of reference where we can look at something like this and say, "oh yeah, that was an elaborate conspiracy where it's entirely made up and complete bullshit; so this is conceivably not real also." There are people with that level of cognitive dissonance out there, but they're either on the fringe or are being fed crap by a deranged lunatic; and they don't even need an actual footage of a hypothetical threat in order to believe it exists. I can't think of a comparable situation where you have real video footage of what appears to be someone doing one thing and rational person could look at it and say, "that's not something that person would normally do, I don't believe it was really them; there must be something more."
And yet in the world of Supergirl it's more than just plausible, even without a black-Kryptonite double, this is a world with shape-shifters and holographic masks where people aren't who they appear to be; and this would be fairly common knowledge. But there again, people buy into the narrative they're already inclined to believe; so anyone who had doubts about Supergirl to begin with would probably more readily accept what happened at face value rather than question it too much.
I sort of wonder if they could have done it another way, keeping the audience in the dark as to whether or not that was the real Kara, but I think the audience has become so jaded they'd probably work it out simply by virtue of the fact that the show would have to find a way to restore the status quo when all was said and done; and most of us would probably assume some type trickery, just because it would border on being predictable and almost a cliche.
I also can't help but wonder if Superman wouldn't have turned himself in and let the court system prove him innocent. I sort of feel he would. Not only that, but I think that might have been an episode of Lois and Clark. I think the episode where people are making the accusation that Superman's power are causing unnatural rise in temperatures (when it's actually Lex using some ridiculous device). And he free gives himself up and swears not to use his powers until the matter can be resolved, but naturally Superman being the schmuck that he is doesn't even get out of the courthouse when something happens and he reacts by using his powers.
So I wonder if Supergirl should give herself up and prove through the system that she's innocent. Sadly, and entirely because where I think the system is at these days, I would be inclined to say, no; because the system can't be trusted to actually get to the truth or not convict an innocent person of something they didn't do....
Oh FFS, I get not trying to reason with the people who are shooting at you; nothing you can say is going to change their minds, certainly not in that mindset. But when the guy you save questions what happened, that's definitely the time to speak up. That's someone who clearly wants to understand. You don't have to go into every minute detail, but just say, "It wasn't me. Please believe that in spite of what was shown on TV, I would never betray you or the country like this and I hope to prove it." He'd probably listen to that and in turn he'd make his case to others that it's worth keeping an open mind and give her the benefit of the doubt. But instead she stands there dumbstruck while he walks away with only doubt.
Jeez, I thought the warden at Lex's prison was just a weak link that Lex exploited, but he's an out and out weasel. Okay, fine, he's dirty and has money hidden in offshore accounts, but he doesn't even tell his husband about it? What a creep.
Of course Brainy shouts, "no one is more clandestine than I" at the top of the lungs, because fuck Braniac 5 being one of the smartest people in the universe....
Oh Christ, they're definitely going to put Alex and James' sister together....
I wouldn't mind so much if James' sister wasn't so fucking boring. Honestly, I can't even remember her name; nor do I care enough to bother looking her up.
Jesus tap dancing Christ, Brainy, just push the damn button and delete the fucking registry already!
Huh... I've seen Adam West's Batman do this stress management exercise, but it was always played off like he was making a bat gesture (or a dove shadow puppet) It would be trippy if it turned out that version of Batman was the one who had and constructively worked through PTSD.
Oh, so they're giving James powers after all...
I get that everybody in Lex's prison was corrupt, but why did he even have a "neighbor"? Why was Lex Luthor, of all people, in with the general population? Why weren't there more precautions taken with a criminal of his caliber, once he was caught and definitively proven guilty?
Say what you will about the "New 52," one concept I sort of liked was when they explored how Superman finally got Lex locked up, he played to Lex's ego by putting it on Lex - the world's greatest mind - to conceive of a prison that Lex Luthor could not escape from. A little paradoxical. I can't remember if they specified in the comics that Superman or someone checked his work to ensure he wasn't hiding a means of escape, but the idea that Lex might be compelled to meet the challenge or admit there was something he couldn't do was intriguing. But it also underlined the fact that Lex Luthor is no ordinary criminal and requires something more than an ordinary jail.
Interesting to see Willie Garson in this episode. He's always a good character actor that I enjoy seeing pop up on shows; although I feel bad that he's not at a level of prominence that I didn't immediately know his name and had to look it up. As soon as I saw him though, I knew he'd be more than a bit character, but I'm sort of disappointed he's not playing someone with better name recognition for the comics or something. Kara talks about him leaking documents for the DOD, which I suppose is meant to make him an allegory for Snowden or Assange.
...And naturally he's sown the seeds of doubt in Kara's mind, that "everything you touch turns to ruin" - without of course laying out any real, conclusive evidence to that end.... Is she - and Superman, for that matter - a little heavy handed at times? Sometimes. It's sort of like that but from the movie Hancock, where Will Smith's character saves Jason Bateman's character by destroying the oncoming train instead of picking up the stalled car and move it out of the way. The real problem is that the writers too often don't bother to think through the logical inconsistencies of a character's behavior and take for granted that the flashier action is at least sometimes the dumbest thing they could do. But instead of laying their shortcomings at the feet of the characters, pointing out needless flaws, they should address them, somehow. One Batman book I read approached his stories from a forensic perspective; and it showed a much more methodical Batman, who took the effort of putting on the paper booties CSIs have to wear so as not to contaminate a crime scene; and it talked about how the fingertips of her gloves were intentionally designed to be thick enough for him not to leave finger prints, but thin enough for him to be able to pick-up objects and have a comparable range of movement like he'd have without them. You can't always go that deep into things like that, but sometimes a throw away line or visual enough to establish that some thought is going into some of these things and the characters aren't complete idiots.
So that's Brainy's bright idea; his alternative is to get Nura to peak into the future to figure out what he should decide? Could he not find a Ouija board?
Nicely done, Nura. Are we sure this is Brainiac 5 and not his brother, Idiot Jed?
Seriously, what the hell are the prisoners supposed to do to Supergirl? There may be a lot of them, but they can't hurt her; while she could turn them into so much paste.
I kind of liked the flashback to when Lex and Lena were younger; I sort of would like to see more of that - but not going to lie, I figured there was probably something behind his etching like 10-15 minutes ago; and thought they should have had Kara scan the room with her x-ray vision for any hidden compartments....
It's especially unsurprising, considering that Kara effectively sealed Lena up in Lex's cell, what with her welding the egress points on her way out; so how else was Lena going to get out of there?
So Supergirl is just always going to wear the Kryptonite shield from now on as part of her costume, right? Even when this one gets damaged or destroyed by the end of the episode, she'll get it fixed or replaced; maybe with one that's a bit more durable?
Oh, for fuck sake, context people; Superman/Supergirl's disguise is not magic, they don't cast a Confundus Charm, it is predominantly based on the fact that the average person does not come in contact with both their civilian and super personas; and even those that do, fewer still would encounter both of them in such a short time frame or else they're bound to more readily notice the similarities in appearance. Otis is dumb, but come on; he would not walk into a room mid-battle with Supergirl and think this is some random stranger rather than realize Supergirl just changed her clothes. This is why their disguise gets such flack, because when it's used this way it's clear and obvious bullshit.
"You're the second person today to ask me about that psycho..." '....and you kinda look like the first person who asked...I'm sure that's a coincidence...'
Why doesn't she use the thunderclap more often? Like in the vast majority of her fights? She took out Outis pretty effectively.
"Where is Supergirl?" - Uh, have you checked the rest of the prison already or just that first room? Pretty sure it's just the first room, since she's clearly still in the prison; so maybe don't jump the gun so quickly, especially while carrying an actual gun.
I can't help but feel like Kara's partnership with Lena and Alex would be more effective if they knew her civilian identity...
I'm not surprised the general pressed the call button twice, but the whole thing was forced. The entire idea of the advice Alex got from James' sister was to find a common ground between Alex and the general so that she could make her case from a more rational stand point, but instead it comes off as Alex trying to manipulate her and they never resolve that point of contention.
Ben Lockwood must have a really small penis....
