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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 23:57:45 GMT
I've been battling depression and suicide since age 18 and I'm tired.
I've been researching psychedelics and I've decided I want to find a spiritual guide to assist me.
I have been convinced by people on the internet it is the way to go to connect spiritually with the other side and if nothing else it cures Mental Illness.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 27, 2019 0:06:54 GMT
My nephew has done that. If you want to be a shiftless goofball like him, go ahead.
EDIT -- On second thought, it occurs to me that I've never used these, and perhaps they can be used in a responsible way by responsible people.....but my nephew is not one of these people.
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 27, 2019 0:37:23 GMT
thegodfather
Do you always take medical advise from people on the internet?
Not a good idea.
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Post by goz on Apr 27, 2019 0:59:18 GMT
I've been battling depression and suicide since age 18 and I'm tired. I've been researching psychedelics and I've decided I want to find a spiritual guide to assist me. I have been convinced by people on the internet it is the way to go to connect spiritually with the other side and if nothing else it cures Mental Illness. Which 'other side'?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 6:01:29 GMT
Bit of a claim that shrooms 'cure mental illness’.
There is some evidence it can help depression in some people.
It can also give you a nightmare trip, psychotic episodes, flashbacks, and fuck you up.
You really need to get proper advice before trying it.
If you do go ahead... Don't trip alone, have someone you really trust with you to see you through it... Do it in a safe space... Start with small amounts... Have a bucket ready for the vomiting.
Personally, I would humbly suggest you get your doctor to refer you to a course of CBT, and see if that helps your depression.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 28, 2019 20:28:22 GMT
They should try it on someone who has been blind since birth. If the blind person describes seeing those 'beings', then that would indicate it is a realm outside physical matter.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Apr 28, 2019 20:39:01 GMT
Never tried DMT, but I strongly suggest you avoid taking mushrooms in a confined space. All of my bad experiences with Sharon’s have been in doors. Go outside: better yet, go camping.
Of course, if you want to use either to combat your depression, then I suggest you do way more research than listen to us on this thread. Good luck.
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Post by goz on Apr 28, 2019 20:49:24 GMT
They should try it on someone who has been blind since birth. If the blind person describes seeing those 'beings', then that would indicate it is a realm outside physical matter. Why and how? BTW Are you suggesting a properly designed and conducted scientific experiment with all the checks and balances, peer review of the method and analysis or someone listening to a blind person on schrooms babbling incoherently? Get Planet Arlon to get them to describe the colour green whilst you are at it! I am sure someone outside the realm of physical matter can assist!
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 28, 2019 23:28:24 GMT
They should try it on someone who has been blind since birth. If the blind person describes seeing those 'beings', then that would indicate it is a realm outside physical matter. Why and how? BTW Are you suggesting a properly designed and conducted scientific experiment with all the checks and balances, peer review of the method and analysis or someone listening to a blind person on schrooms babbling incoherently? Get Planet Arlon to get them to describe the colour green whilst you are at it! I am sure someone outside the realm of physical matter can assist! Why? Do find out if they see the same things that others have described seeing. How? By giving them DMT.
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Post by goz on Apr 28, 2019 23:42:45 GMT
Why and how? BTW Are you suggesting a properly designed and conducted scientific experiment with all the checks and balances, peer review of the method and analysis or someone listening to a blind person on schrooms babbling incoherently? Get Planet Arlon to get them to describe the colour green whilst you are at it! I am sure someone outside the realm of physical matter can assist! Why? Do find out if they see the same things that others have described seeing. How? By giving them DMT. What would any of that prove and how would you know that any 'evidence' was relevant, to what premise?
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 28, 2019 23:47:34 GMT
Why? Do find out if they see the same things that others have described seeing. How? By giving them DMT. What would any of that prove and how would you know that any 'evidence' was relevant, to what premise? It would prove that the realm that the others describe is not a product of imagination. How can a blind person who has never seen anything be able to see and describe the same things that the sighted people describe? How are they able to have the same hallucinations and see the same kind of beings? I've watched some videos on YT about it, and they all describe basically the same kind of experience.
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Post by goz on Apr 29, 2019 0:03:32 GMT
What would any of that prove and how would you know that any 'evidence' was relevant, to what premise? It would prove that the realm that the others describe is not a product of imagination. How can a blind person who has never seen anything be able to see and describe the same things that the sighted people describe? How are they able to have the same hallucinations and see the same kind of beings? I've watched some videos on YT about it, and they all describe basically the same kind of experience. How would that prove that blind people hadn't heard descriptive language all their lives and repeat it? Blind people develop other ways of coping with their blindness, often accentuated.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 29, 2019 1:12:30 GMT
It would prove that the realm that the others describe is not a product of imagination. How can a blind person who has never seen anything be able to see and describe the same things that the sighted people describe? How are they able to have the same hallucinations and see the same kind of beings? I've watched some videos on YT about it, and they all describe basically the same kind of experience. How would that prove that blind people hadn't heard descriptive language all their lives and repeat it? Blind people develop other ways of coping with their blindness, often accentuated. You mean how would we know if they were lying? I see no reason why they would lie, but they could take a lie detector test.
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Post by goz on Apr 29, 2019 1:20:39 GMT
How would that prove that blind people hadn't heard descriptive language all their lives and repeat it? Blind people develop other ways of coping with their blindness, often accentuated. You mean how would we know if they were lying? I see no reason why they would lie, but they could take a lie detector test. I never said that they were lying...they would just have used their other senses, particularly those of communication/and language to get an idea of the world as sighted people see it. IMHO it wold be impossible to tell where their 'observations' originated.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 29, 2019 1:30:19 GMT
You mean how would we know if they were lying? I see no reason why they would lie, but they could take a lie detector test. I never said that they were lying...they would just have used their other senses, particularly those of communication/and language to get an idea of the world as sighted people see it. IMHO it wold be impossible to tell where their 'observations' originated. I disagree. They would know if they had sight while on the trip or not. They would be able to tell the difference.
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Post by goz on Apr 29, 2019 2:07:42 GMT
I never said that they were lying...they would just have used their other senses, particularly those of communication/and language to get an idea of the world as sighted people see it. IMHO it wold be impossible to tell where their 'observations' originated. I disagree. They would know if they had sight while on the trip or not. They would be able to tell the difference. People who are blind from birth do not have the experience of sight, just a vague concept according to other clues from other people in their life, like hearing touch and language communication. Your 'experiment' would prove nothing.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 29, 2019 2:20:13 GMT
I disagree. They would know if they had sight while on the trip or not. They would be able to tell the difference. People who are blind from birth do not have the experience of sight, just a vague concept according to other clues from other people in their life, like hearing touch and language communication. Your 'experiment' would prove nothing. You are implying that blind people are stupid and can't tell the difference between being blind and having sight. I disagree.
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Post by goz on Apr 29, 2019 2:42:07 GMT
People who are blind from birth do not have the experience of sight, just a vague concept according to other clues from other people in their life, like hearing touch and language communication. Your 'experiment' would prove nothing. You are implying that blind people are stupid and can't tell the difference between being blind and having sight. I disagree. No. I am saying that blind people are not stupid because they have adapted to sightless life compensating by other methods of cognizance than sight, of which they are necessarily unaware.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 29, 2019 3:03:00 GMT
You are implying that blind people are stupid and can't tell the difference between being blind and having sight. I disagree. No. I am saying that blind people are not stupid because they have adapted to sightless life compensating by other methods of cognizance than sight, of which they are necessarily unaware. All the more reason why they would know the difference.
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Post by goz on Apr 29, 2019 3:07:34 GMT
No. I am saying that blind people are not stupid because they have adapted to sightless life compensating by other methods of cognizance than sight, of which they are necessarily unaware. All the more reason why they would know the difference. Difference between what?
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