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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Apr 28, 2019 5:33:38 GMT
I thought Tony's death was poignant and worked really well, because it lended to the "I am Iron Man" callback, being the last line of his film and then his last words before his death, as well as Pepper saying he can finally rest, which really sums up Tony's entire arc throughout and unable to rest till the job is done. But I really think it should have been Captain America to die instead and Tony grows old with his family. Captain America has always been at war since he became a man out of time when he got out of the ice. That's his arc and a better conclusion to that would have been a hero's death. I read an article where it said Cap's greatest weapon is sacrifice because of his willingness to put others over himself to make a world a better place for everyone else, and he basically admitted that in Winter Soldier. From the studio's perspective, they probably didn't want to kill off both their main characters but still give the other a proper but different send off, but it just felt out of character for Steve to do that, especially knowing Carter already gotten married and had a family in one time line.
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Post by HorrorMetal on Apr 28, 2019 13:51:21 GMT
I agree. I thought the exact same thing.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 28, 2019 13:57:00 GMT
Tony should have lived happily ever after and Steve should have found Sharon and gave her the D.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 28, 2019 15:57:44 GMT
Captain America would have done what was expected and there would be no real twist. The dude literally sacrifices himself every movie.
Stark is the one who is inherently self-centered and while he made the sacrifice in the first Avengers movie they reset that to focus on the consequences to his family.
I honestly thought him, Cap, and Thor were going to die so one out of three is a success.
I guess Thor did a contract negotiation to join Guardians.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 29, 2019 13:30:13 GMT
I thought Tony's death was poignant and worked really well, because it lended to the "I am Iron Man" callback, being the last line of his film and then his last words before his death, as well as Pepper saying he can finally rest, which really sums up Tony's entire arc throughout and unable to rest till the job is done. But I really think it should have been Captain America to die instead and Tony grows old with his family. Captain America has always been at war since he became a man out of time when he got out of the ice. That's his arc and a better conclusion to that would have been a hero's death. I read an article where it said Cap's greatest weapon is sacrifice because of his willingness to put others over himself to make a world a better place for everyone else, and he basically admitted that in Winter Soldier. From the studio's perspective, they probably didn't want to kill off both their main characters but still give the other a proper but different send off, but it just felt out of character for Steve to do that, especially knowing Carter already gotten married and had a family in one time line. Hence why he completes his arc. He realizes that yes, he can live without a war.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 29, 2019 13:59:33 GMT
Maybe they will think about any mistakes they may have made after they finish counting their money.  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2019 14:15:51 GMT
I went on at length about this stuff elsewhere, but I wouldn't say they 'got it wrong.' I would've killed off Cap and Tony and put Thor into semi-retirement, but I still think these are perfectly acceptable endings to their personal journeys.
Cap finally learned there's a life beyond the war and Tony put a suit of armor around the world. The defeated the greatest threat their world has ever faced. They did their jobs. Thor's decision to apparently join the Guardians and name Valkyrie leader of the Asgardians doesn't make a ton of sense, but there's still storytelling potential there. I don't agree with all of the creative choices in this film but I don't think any of them are terrible.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 29, 2019 14:20:12 GMT
I went on at length about this stuff elsewhere, but I wouldn't say they 'got it wrong.' I would've killed off Cap and Tony and put Thor into semi-retirement, but I still think these are perfectly acceptable endings to their personal journeys. Cap finally learned there's a life beyond the war and Tony put a suit of armor around the world. How do you mean?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2019 14:43:59 GMT
I went on at length about this stuff elsewhere, but I wouldn't say they 'got it wrong.' I would've killed off Cap and Tony and put Thor into semi-retirement, but I still think these are perfectly acceptable endings to their personal journeys. Cap finally learned there's a life beyond the war and Tony put a suit of armor around the world. How do you mean? It's a reference to something he said in Age of Ultron. It's a metaphor for protecting the Earth. Ever since The Avengers he's been obsessing over Thanos and the big threat from space; his PTSD was a major subplot in IM 3 and his obsession with Thanos was the driving force behind the plot to Age of Ultron. (In the context he used it, he wanted the 'suit of armor' to do the work for them so they wouldn't have to, but larger point is he knew the world would need protection from that threat eventually.) What Tony saw on his trip through the portal chilled him to the bone and he finally achieved his goal of defeating that threat. It's such a powerful moment when Pepper tells him, 'We're safe now, you can rest.'
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Apr 29, 2019 15:00:28 GMT
I went on at length about this stuff elsewhere, but I wouldn't say they 'got it wrong.' I would've killed off Cap and Tony and put Thor into semi-retirement, but I still think these are perfectly acceptable endings to their personal journeys. Cap finally learned there's a life beyond the war and Tony put a suit of armor around the world. The defeated the greatest threat their world has ever faced. They did their jobs. Thor's decision to apparently join the Guardians and name Valkyrie leader of the Asgardians doesn't make a ton of sense, but there's still storytelling potential there. I don't agree with all of the creative choices in this film but I don't think any of them are terrible. The only problem I have with that is that Peggy already got married and had a family. I know Steve went back before she met someone, and time has already been displaced, but its just feels out of character for Cap to do that. It also possibly erase Sharon Carter (I know she's Peggy's niece, but through a sibling on her side or her significant other?). |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2019 15:22:56 GMT
I went on at length about this stuff elsewhere, but I wouldn't say they 'got it wrong.' I would've killed off Cap and Tony and put Thor into semi-retirement, but I still think these are perfectly acceptable endings to their personal journeys. Cap finally learned there's a life beyond the war and Tony put a suit of armor around the world. The defeated the greatest threat their world has ever faced. They did their jobs. Thor's decision to apparently join the Guardians and name Valkyrie leader of the Asgardians doesn't make a ton of sense, but there's still storytelling potential there. I don't agree with all of the creative choices in this film but I don't think any of them are terrible. The only problem I have with that is that Peggy already got married and had a family. I know Steve went back before she met someone, and time has already been displaced, but its just feels out of character for Cap to do that. It also possibly erase Sharon Carter (I know she's Peggy's niece, but through a sibling on her side or her significant other?). I think Sharon was her brother's kid or something, I don't remember. I actually have more problems with that aspect of the story than you do. It breaks the timeline in so many ways. I'm fine with that as long as they own it, but they go out of their way with that Hulk/Ancient One scene to convince the audience the timeline will be fine as long as they put the Stones back where they got them. Cap going back in time and living a separate life brings up so many questions. Either he led a secret life in the past (which I think is what they're implying by him not telling Falcon who the woman is, and it's really silly when you think about it) or he continued being Captain America all those years which ruins the timeline completely. You know, now that I think about it, the 'separate life' concept might not be so bad. They could potentially use Evans for future films to tell various Cap type stories throughout different time periods, using one of Cap's aliases from the comics. Nomad, or The Captain for example. I don't hate that idea. As for Peggy's husband, we don't even know who he is. Peggy could've been talking about Steve for all we know. Anyway it wouldn't be the first time this franchise messed with its continuity. Sitwell mentions Stephen Strange being a threat to Hydra in Winter Soldier, he was just a surgeon then. One movie the Stones blow up anyone they touch, the next movie anyone can hold one. There's the infamous Homecoming '8 years later' which has been acknowledged as a mistake.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 29, 2019 16:08:29 GMT
My head told me Stark dies & Rogers lives. My heart/gut said the opposite. At least they aced the Rogers' retirement angle - I always chalked that up to 30 something Rogers handing the shield to Bucky, & leaving open future cameos that Evans never really wanted. With very old Rogers as retiring Rogers, it lands a whole lot better. Sam will never feel actively inferior because Steve as we'd known him no longer exists.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 30, 2019 1:23:18 GMT
Well i guess the ending could have been better, but personally i am fine with how it ended.
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