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Post by merh on May 7, 2019 5:44:14 GMT
This article makes an interesting point: That Thor is a ridiculously complex character to write. Both Stark and Rogers are fairly straightforward in comparison. And minus the "screaming like a girl" part, I agree that Ragnarok found the best balance for Thor. I could have done with a few less jokes from him but I still think that movie gave us the most interesting Thor... as well as the most badass version. I personally think that was the most powerful Thor we've had on screen. Sure he didn't overcome an Infinity Gauntlet there but the way he was spamming lightning all over... we never saw that from him again. He was cloaked in lightning that was auto-attacking enemies all around him. He was fast enough to blast Hela's projectiles from the air. I wish that was the version of Thor we got in IW and Endgame. Give him Stormbreaker if you must but don't let him stop using his powers as openly as he did in Ragnarok. Thor isn't Samson. He wouldn't care about a haircut. But it was the most open we've seen him. On earth he's a guest so he is more polite. In Endgame he's presented like the dumb jock which he isn't He's always been respectful towards women & people in general so he wouldnt becone a burdon on his people making them feed him. Honestly, I suspect he would go more authoritarian, trying to be strict like his father. There'd be a fricken wall around New Asgard just like there was around the mythical Asgard. They had the Rainbow Bridge that basically kept people out. So more like Wakanda in that respect. Closed borders. No threat getting in
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 13:37:53 GMT
The problem is Thor as we (at least I) understand him in the comics doesn't work in the MCU. They tried something similar to it in the first few films and it was stale, with Hemsworth feeling like he was suffocating in the role. He asked for more freedom in Ragnarok and it was a roaring success, easily the best Thor film. And as much as I enjoy MCU Thor, I do wish we had a character with the gravitas of 616 Thor. You get glimpses, small character moments here and there, but never the real Thor. At this point I'm not holding my breath expecting that to change.
Rumor has it Hercules will be in the Eternals film, and I'm curious as to how that character plays. I always read 616 Hercules as similar to MCU Thor, so I'm wondering how they differentiate the characters. To make matters worse, if Hercules is in Eternals, I'm guessing Gilgamesh, the Eternals resident powerhouse will be cut from the story. This is a real shame as he's a personal favorite of mine and exactly the kind of no-bullshit badass the MCU needs. We have plenty of goofballs, I wish they'd take a chance and force the other characters to play off a character who's a wall of pure presence. People should be in awe of Thor or Gilgamesh. They're nigh immortal warriors who have been viewed as gods, that should mean something.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 7, 2019 19:20:06 GMT
Isn't it interesting they aren't marketing Thor as he is in the majority of the movie? I have the Funko pop in the time travel suit. Not tubby. The McDonald's toy doesn't appear to be tubby(have not scored it yet. I have Rocket, Hulk, Antman, Ironman, & Nebula. Fricken liars said they had Thor today, but they didnt....I need Thor. Who cares about Ironman?) Look at the tshirts. www.hottopic.com/search?q=ThorIt's Infinity War, Ragnarok, & comicbook Thor. The Endgame seems to be a single poster shot that ISN'T tubby Thor. The joke ignores Asgardian metabolism. Thor would be draining the resources of his people to provide him with the amount of liquor needed to get & keep him in that shape. Can you imagine what it must be like for Chris Hemsworth to endure all the unpleasantness required to achieve peak fitness only to be told he was going to be wearing a blubberbund in most of his scenes? If I was him I would have said "nope". What are they gonna do? Write Thor out of the movie? Not rehire him to play Thor? Not threats anymore.
I would'a said "Okay guys I'll do that for one scene because its funny, but after that we gotta figure out something else."
And yes, his working out like a motherfucker IS a valid excuse. That shit hurts. It aint easy. It takes time, effort and dedication, and a severe diet change too. That kind of working out is a life change. I like chicken... a lot... but I wouldn't want to eat a whole one every three hours just to get the protein!
And he's doing it specifically for these movies. Then they tell him they just need him to be fat... in the biggest movie of all time? Fuck that.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 16:53:40 GMT
Does anyone else notice the obvious double standard here? Imagine if Widow was the one to get fat and become a walking joke. Or, God forbid, Carol Dancers. People would (rightfully) be outraged. But it's still ok to body shame men.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 17:02:01 GMT
Does anyone else notice the obvious double standard here? Imagine if Widow was the one to get fat and become a walking joke. Or, God forbid, Carol Dancers. People would (rightfully) be outraged. But it's still ok to body shame men. I had a kind of related thought the other day. One of the fun things about Avengers (2012) are the fights between the heroes. They make for fun set pieces but also secretly give the audience a measuring stick for how the heroes matchup with each other. One of the consistent gripes about Captain Marvel (that I disagree with for the record) is that she's overpowered. The sad thing is due to gender politics in 2019, we're never going to see her fist fighting with Thor for example so we can see if they're on par or not. It's just a bad look, 'toxic masculinity' or whatever if one of the other heroes fights her, even if it's under the same circumstances as anything we saw in the first Avengers film.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:06:25 GMT
Does anyone else notice the obvious double standard here? Imagine if Widow was the one to get fat and become a walking joke. Or, God forbid, Carol Dancers. People would (rightfully) be outraged. But it's still ok to body shame men. I had a kind of related thought the other day. One of the fun things about Avengers (2012) are the fights between the heroes. They make for fun set pieces but also secretly give the audience a measuring stick for how the heroes matchup with each other. One of the consistent gripes about Captain Marvel (that I disagree with for the record) is that she's overpowered. The sad thing is due to gender politics in 2019, we're never going to see her fist fighting with Thor for example so we can see if they're on par or not. It's just a bad look, 'toxic masculinity' or whatever if one of the other heroes fights her, even if it's under the same circumstances as anything we saw in the first Avengers film. Even if they dared to have her fight any of the male characters, they could never let her lose to them. I'm still surprised they let Thanos beat her. We could always see female on female fights though. Carol Dancers vs Wanda Maximoff would be a great fight.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:11:53 GMT
And... Rey Kahuka ... A Wanda v Carol fight would the perfect oppertunity for that MCU c v n t punt you requested!
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 17:13:57 GMT
I had a kind of related thought the other day. One of the fun things about Avengers (2012) are the fights between the heroes. They make for fun set pieces but also secretly give the audience a measuring stick for how the heroes matchup with each other. One of the consistent gripes about Captain Marvel (that I disagree with for the record) is that she's overpowered. The sad thing is due to gender politics in 2019, we're never going to see her fist fighting with Thor for example so we can see if they're on par or not. It's just a bad look, 'toxic masculinity' or whatever if one of the other heroes fights her, even if it's under the same circumstances as anything we saw in the first Avengers film. Even if they dared to have her fight any of the male characters, they could never let her lose to them. I'm still surprised they let Thanos beat her. We could always see female on female fights though. Carol Dancers vs Wanda Maximoff would be a great fight. I just hope they do something great with this character. She's one of my favorites in the comics and they really dropped the ball with her introduction in the MCU. CM is a decent flick, but it feels so forced; a prequel with an amnesiac because they don't know how she fits into this huge ongoing saga. Going forward I'd like to see her get her ass handed to her (more than just getting cold cocked by an infinity stone) just so people realize it can happen. I want to see her take on other badass characters so we can gauge where she's at. In general I'd like to see her do something other than be a human meteor, she's pulled that trick twice now.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:18:17 GMT
Even if they dared to have her fight any of the male characters, they could never let her lose to them. I'm still surprised they let Thanos beat her. We could always see female on female fights though. Carol Dancers vs Wanda Maximoff would be a great fight. I just hope they do something great with this character. She's one of my favorites in the comics and they really dropped the ball with her introduction in the MCU. CM is a decent flick, but it feels so forced; a prequel with an amnesiac because they don't know how she fits into this huge ongoing saga. Going forward I'd like to see her get her ass handed to her (more than just getting cold cocked by an infinity stone) just so people realize it can happen. I want to see her take on other badass characters so we can gauge where she's at. In general I'd like to see her do something other than be a human meteor, she's pulled that trick twice now. After seeing how small her role was in End Game I was perplexed as to why they just didn't save her for phase four. I also think the directors of the first movie should be replaced. They were out of their depth in my opinion. I would bring Joss Whedon back to do the sequel. He's good with strong female characters. And yes, she does need to face greater opposition in the sequel. She can't just be winning all the time. Again... Perfect oppertunity for the c v n t punt.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 8, 2019 17:23:16 GMT
I just hope they do something great with this character. She's one of my favorites in the comics and they really dropped the ball with her introduction in the MCU. CM is a decent flick, but it feels so forced; a prequel with an amnesiac because they don't know how she fits into this huge ongoing saga. Going forward I'd like to see her get her ass handed to her (more than just getting cold cocked by an infinity stone) just so people realize it can happen. I want to see her take on other badass characters so we can gauge where she's at. In general I'd like to see her do something other than be a human meteor, she's pulled that trick twice now. After seeing how small her role was in End Game I was perplexed as to why they just didn't save her for phase four. I also think the directors of the first movie should be replaced. They were out of their depth in my opinion. I would bring Joss Whedon back to do the sequel. He's good with strong female characters. And yes, she does need to face greater opposition in the sequel. She can't just be winning all the time. Again... Perfect oppertunity for the c v n t punt.
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Post by Skaathar on May 8, 2019 17:48:46 GMT
Does anyone else notice the obvious double standard here? Imagine if Widow was the one to get fat and become a walking joke. Or, God forbid, Carol Dancers. People would (rightfully) be outraged. But it's still ok to body shame men. I had a kind of related thought the other day. One of the fun things about Avengers (2012) are the fights between the heroes. They make for fun set pieces but also secretly give the audience a measuring stick for how the heroes matchup with each other. One of the consistent gripes about Captain Marvel (that I disagree with for the record) is that she's overpowered. The sad thing is due to gender politics in 2019, we're never going to see her fist fighting with Thor for example so we can see if they're on par or not. It's just a bad look, 'toxic masculinity' or whatever if one of the other heroes fights her, even if it's under the same circumstances as anything we saw in the first Avengers film. The male characters also clash with each other's personalities which makes for very interesting team dynamics. We do see male vs. female personality clashes but I don't recall ever seeing female vs. female personality clashes, not unless it's against a villain. It would have been nice to see BW and CM clash, CM vs Nebula, Gamora vs Valkyrie, Wanda vs Okoye, Wasp vs Potts, etc. But everytime the women are together on screen they always seem to just automatically agree with each other.
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Post by Skaathar on May 8, 2019 17:51:28 GMT
I just hope they do something great with this character. She's one of my favorites in the comics and they really dropped the ball with her introduction in the MCU. CM is a decent flick, but it feels so forced; a prequel with an amnesiac because they don't know how she fits into this huge ongoing saga. Going forward I'd like to see her get her ass handed to her (more than just getting cold cocked by an infinity stone) just so people realize it can happen. I want to see her take on other badass characters so we can gauge where she's at. In general I'd like to see her do something other than be a human meteor, she's pulled that trick twice now. After seeing how small her role was in End Game I was perplexed as to why they just didn't save her for phase four. I also think the directors of the first movie should be replaced. They were out of their depth in my opinion. I would bring Joss Whedon back to do the sequel. He's good with strong female characters. And yes, she does need to face greater opposition in the sequel. She can't just be winning all the time. Again... Perfect oppertunity for the c v n t punt. If you believe the rumors, the Russos originally didn't want her in Endgame at all. Feige and Disney just forced them to include her. Now, I don't necessarily believe in rumors but I do admit she felt a bit tacked on in this movie.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 18:03:35 GMT
I had a kind of related thought the other day. One of the fun things about Avengers (2012) are the fights between the heroes. They make for fun set pieces but also secretly give the audience a measuring stick for how the heroes matchup with each other. One of the consistent gripes about Captain Marvel (that I disagree with for the record) is that she's overpowered. The sad thing is due to gender politics in 2019, we're never going to see her fist fighting with Thor for example so we can see if they're on par or not. It's just a bad look, 'toxic masculinity' or whatever if one of the other heroes fights her, even if it's under the same circumstances as anything we saw in the first Avengers film. The male characters also clash with each other's personalities which makes for very interesting team dynamics. We do see male vs. female personality clashes but I don't recall ever seeing female vs. female personality clashes, not unless it's against a villain. It would have been nice to see BW and CM clash, CM vs Nebula, Gamora vs Valkyrie, Wanda vs Okoye, Wasp vs Potts, etc. But everytime the women are together on screen they always seem to just automatically agree with each other. You see Gamora and Nebula literally clash quite a bit, but as you said it was because she was a villain or at the very least an unsteady ally. Hate to say it but it's probably because the female characters to this point haven't been given a ton of depth when compared to their male counterparts. Love the team dynamic in Avengers (2012), particularly the argument right before Hawkeye attacks. Sure the scepter is exacerbating the situation, but you're really seeing what a room full of alphas with no chain of command is like. Cap and Tony in particular is a fascinating study in character dynamics, worthy of its own thread.
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Post by Skaathar on May 8, 2019 18:15:26 GMT
Does anyone else notice the obvious double standard here? Imagine if Widow was the one to get fat and become a walking joke. Or, God forbid, Carol Dancers. People would (rightfully) be outraged. But it's still ok to body shame men. I made a similar observation some time ago that the MCU seems to give majority of their lead female characters pretty safe personalities. As in their personalities don't have any strong quirks. You won't see any of the female leads goofing around like Starlord, being an egotistical ass like Stark, etc. When they do give strong personalities, it's to villains like Hela or very minor characters like Mantis. This is why I'm very excited to see Nebula getting pushed in the spotlight because I feel that she has one of the more unique personalities among MCU females. I just hope they maintain it.
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