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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2019 20:30:48 GMT
Borrowed from another board.
Last year was the first time I started reading comic-books since I was a little kid, but I’ve enjoyed a lot of them I’ve read. They don’t take that long for me to read, so that helps too.
Reading Alan Moore’s From Hell right now—excellent so far. Lightyears better than the forgettable film adaptation with Johnny Depp.
How about you?
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Post by hi224 on May 7, 2019 22:48:02 GMT
Borrowed from another board. Last year was the first time I started reading comic-books since I was a little kid, but I’ve enjoyed a lot of them I’ve read. They don’t take that long for me to read, so that helps too. Reading Alan Moore’s From Hell right now—excellent so far. Lightyears better than the forgettable film adaptation with Johnny Depp. How about you? how would you change his adaptations? just curious actually.
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Post by gw on May 8, 2019 0:17:45 GMT
I just finished reading Firebug. It was decent but better for the artwork than the story which was pretty typical fantasy stuff.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 8, 2019 1:29:17 GMT
how would you change his adaptations? just curious actually. Whose adaptation, exactly? As for the movie, it’s not terrible, but it’s just such forgettable pablum, whereas the comic (which I have now finished) is expansive, eccentric, brilliant, and anything but forgettable.
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Post by hi224 on May 8, 2019 1:35:07 GMT
how would you change his adaptations? just curious actually. Whose adaptation, exactly? As for the movie, it’s not terrible, but it’s just such forgettable pablum, whereas the comic (which I have now finished) is expansive, eccentric, brilliant, and anything but forgettable. All of Moore's.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 8, 2019 1:45:28 GMT
Whose adaptation, exactly? As for the movie, it’s not terrible, but it’s just such forgettable pablum, whereas the comic (which I have now finished) is expansive, eccentric, brilliant, and anything but forgettable. All of Moore's. Oh. Well, I hated the film adaptation of Watchmen, but that could have easily been rectified by not adding in all that horrible violence and gore the director put in. “An anti-movie for anti-moviegoers,” to quote Sarris. Also by not changing Adrian’s plan—the movie, despite its violence, is so much less envelope-pushing. The writers and director are also unbearably pretentious, whereas Moore’s goal is (curiously) less offering a philosophy seminar than it is deconstructing superheroes—which is smaller but ultimately more manageable and less pretentious. What I wrote above for From Hell. I haven’t read or seen V for Vendetta. The best Moore adaptation I’ve seen is, curiously, from a kid’s cartoon—“For the Man who Has Everything,” from Justice League Unlimited. The writer intelligently chucked Robin (though, in doing so, he loses one of Moore’s best lines: “Think clean thoughts, chum”) and actually improved on the emotion between Superman and his son in that final, nigh-heartbreaking scene on Krypton. Excellent.
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Post by hi224 on May 8, 2019 1:55:35 GMT
Oh. Well, I hated the film adaptation of Watchmen, but that could have easily been rectified by not adding in all that horrible violence and gore the director put in. “An anti-movie for anti-moviegoers,” to quote Sarris. Also by not changing Adrian’s plan—the movie, despite its violence, is so much less envelope-pushing. The writers and director are also unbearably pretentious, whereas Moore’s goal is (curiously) less offering a philosophy seminar than it is deconstructing superheroes—which is smaller but ultimately more manageable and less pretentious. What I wrote above for From Hell. I haven’t read or seen V for Vendetta. The best Moore adaptation I’ve seen is, curiously, from a kid’s cartoon—“For the Man who Has Everything,” from Justice League Unlimited. The writer intelligently chucked Robin (though, in doing so, he loses one of Moore’s best lines: “Think clean thoughts, chum”) and actually improved on the emotion between Superman and his son in that final, nigh-heartbreaking scene on Krypton. Excellent. See now I liked the squid change actually. It wasn't the most believable to me at all. I think that said Goode was too on the nose as Veidt and Akerman lacked the hardened cycism for Sally.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 8, 2019 2:25:58 GMT
See now I liked the squid change actually. It wasn't the most believable to me at all. I think that said Goode was too on the nose as Veidt and Akerman lacked the hardened cycism for Sally. It’s not the absence of the squid thing that bothers me as much as it is that Adrian clearly aims to kill only half of New York (through the stupid squid thing) in the book—because he still views himself as a hero doing what he has to do to be heroic. He doesn’t want to kill off people in every major world city; he wants to minimize the damage as much as possible. Removing that part of it convinces me that no one working on the movie realized that Adrian is seeing himself as a hero, not even wanting to harm that many people (only as many as he thinks necessary). Related to that: in the movie, Daniel refuses to countenance Adrian’s action, though he won’t speak publicly about it as Rorschach will. In the book, Daniel is convinced that what Adrian did was right in the name of heroism, as everyone is except for Rorschach. (And Dr. Manhattan is, as usual, equivocal about the whole thing.) That is Moore’s criticism of the superhero archetype, that superheroes, were they really to exist, would lead to horror in the name of heroism, and it is something I feel the movie misses entirely. I didn’t actually mind the actress who played Sally, though apparently that’s one of the major criticisms of the movie. I rather liked her romance with Daniel, in both the book and the movie; I especially liked how they saved people even on the edge of the end of the world.
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Post by hi224 on May 8, 2019 4:03:29 GMT
See now I liked the squid change actually. It wasn't the most believable to me at all. I think that said Goode was too on the nose as Veidt and Akerman lacked the hardened cycism for Sally. It’s not the absence of the squid thing that bothers me as much as it is that Adrian clearly aims to kill only half of New York (through the stupid squid thing) in the book—because he still views himself as a hero doing what he has to do to be heroic. He doesn’t want to kill off people in every major world city; he wants to minimize the damage as much as possible. Removing that part of it convinces me that no one working on the movie realized that Adrian is seeing himself as a hero, not even wanting to harm that many people (only as many as he thinks necessary). Related to that: in the movie, Daniel refuses to countenance Adrian’s action, though he won’t speak publicly about it as Rorschach will. In the book, Daniel is convinced that what Adrian did was right in the name of heroism, as everyone is except for Rorschach. (And Dr. Manhattan is, as usual, equivocal about the whole thing.) That is Moore’s criticism of the superhero archetype, that superheroes, were they really to exist, would lead to horror in the name of heroism, and it is something I feel the movie misses entirely. I didn’t actually mind the actress who played Sally, though apparently that’s one of the major criticisms of the movie. I rather liked her romance with Daniel, in both the book and the movie; I especially liked how they saved people even on the edge of the end of the world. Ah, yes I actually tend to agree with that aspect as well. One aspect of the conclusion which I really didn't like was giving Daniel and Sally the exchange which happens between Jon and Adrian in the book. It's much more pivotal and hard hitting in the novel because as you yourself lamented removing the line from Adrian removes an key component of his character as well.
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Post by HorrorMetal on May 14, 2019 1:44:30 GMT
At the moment, mostly horror anthology comics such as Tales from the Crypt, Vault of Horror, Haunt of Fear, House of Mystery, Ghostly Tales from the Haunted House, Creepy, Eerie, Ghosts, Witching Hour, Ghost Manor, Many Ghosts of Dr. Graves, Uncanny Tales from the Grave, etc.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 1, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
I don’t know why I keep reading Grant Morrison’s work when I know I (nearly always) don’t like it, or at least am annoyed by something about it. Maybe because he has so many great concepts that I keep wanting to find something of his I can unapologetically praise? Well, I found it. Sort of. I read The Multiversity the other day and didn’t much like it. It’s got all of Morrison’s strengths and flaws, but as usual the flaws (particularly trying to do too much) outnumber the strengths. However. There is one brilliant short piece in there that is the best thing of Morrison’s I’ve read. It’s called Pax Americana (2014), it can (and should, in my opinion) be read as a stand-alone, and it’s a parody of/pastiche of/commentary on Watchmen. I’m not entirely sure why I like this one so much, compared to nearly everything else I’ve read of Morrison’s. Maybe the Watchmen format forces Morrison to tone down his usual pretensions and attempts at cramming too much in? Not that the story’s unambitious. It tries to rebut Watchmen in the space of one chapter of that book, all while telling a new conspiracy story and melding the original Charlton Comics characters with their Watchmen doppelgängers. Yet this time Morrison’s able to make it work. He and his artist, Frank Quitely, use an eight-panel layout in contrast to Watchmen’s nine-panel—eight being a running theme throughout. The story’s about trying to figure out why a hero called Peacemaker, who’s based on the original Charlton Peacemaker as well as Moore’s Comedian but actually acts like Captain America, shot the President, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. To be honest, despite my using the word rebut above, it feels less like a rebuttal to Watchmen and more like a “dialogue,” as one online commenter phrased it, with that book. Morrison for once doesn’t seem to be saying “take that!” to a book he hates, he’s trying to come to terms with it (and, perhaps, with Moore?—if so that didn’t work). The story deserves (and endorses, in-narrative) multiple readings, and I’m not convinced I’ve yet plumbed all of its arguments. But even on first reading you can understand the President’s plan, which is of a kind with Adrian Veidt’s even if less harmful to anyone but himself and the Peacemaker—and which, crucially, doesn’t work because human beings are not playthings. Just having an emotional and understandable conclusion puts this story above most of its writer’s work. Also, one small thing is that I actually liked this Capt. Atom more than Dr. Manhattan, whose lengthy monologues drag on too long. Sadly, Blue Beetle (version of Night Owl/Dan) and Nightshade (Silk Specter/Laurie) don’t get much to do, as their Watchmen counterparts were my favorite characters in that book. (I love how they save people even on the verge of the end of the world.) The Question (Rorschach) is extremely Rorschach-y and a lot of (admittedly violent) fun, especially when he’s preaching an absolutist ideology that Morrison shows how little he cares for by hiding the speech bubble behind the Question’s body. As for the art, I’m not a fan of Quitely’s faces (I’ve seen them before in JLA: Earth 2, also written by Morrison, which is not as good), with tons of wrinkles—everyone’s stressed in his art, even when they’re not. But the motion is good, and there are genuinely brilliant moments that I’m not sure are Quitely’s or Morrison’s: a thirty-two panel grid that actually has a point and isn’t just there to show off, and a lovely conversation in which the panels wrap around a stairwell. Like Watchmen, this is using the underappreciated comic book format to its full advantage. It’s ironic, perhaps, that my favorite Morrison story so far is a pastiche of a book he dislikes. But the characters, story, and even pretentious symbolism are of a piece here—and it all ends with a punch-in-the-gut, dramatically satisfying ending. Highly recommended.
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Post by gw on Oct 3, 2019 5:20:06 GMT
I'm currently reading Jim, Jim Woodring's autojournal collection.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 21:23:24 GMT
Borrowed from another board. Last year was the first time I started reading comic-books since I was a little kid, but I’ve enjoyed a lot of them I’ve read. They don’t take that long for me to read, so that helps too. Reading Alan Moore’s From Hell right now—excellent so far. Lightyears better than the forgettable film adaptation with Johnny Depp. How about you? I wasn't a fan of the movie but I would be interested in reading the Alan Moore graphic novel.
I just picked up a graphic novel adaptation of one of my favorite novels The Stars My Destination.
It's not the typical graphic novel in that the writing is pulled directly from the novel and partnered with hundreds of illustrations by Howard Chaykin.
The novel is one of my favorites ever and the illustrations are stunning so I feel lucky I was able to find a copy.
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