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Post by heeeeey on May 22, 2019 22:08:36 GMT
The soul is not a flesh body with DNA. You can't think outside of materialism.
The soul is energy and exists in an ethereal field or some other kind of energy field.
Aside from that, as the Trinity symbolizes, there are three bodies--the material, the soul, and the spirit body.
How are the characteristics which make up the individual transferred, when they are the result of the mix of DNA? BTW materialism is provable or otherwise. 'ethereal fields 'are not, just fanciful, especially when they are diametrically opposed to actual evidence in the materialism.. Where is the source, carrier and focus of this 'energy'? (What kind of energy is it?) Graham recently gave you the low down on what ' electrical energy' is and that is the one which is the relevant one in this conversation because it is the one that powers the body, heart brain etc When that ceases we are dead. They are still figuring out how to write out the equations for all of that. String theory is the closest they have come so far, but they can't write out the equations for the electrical field that they know exists that surrounds all mass, but they are getting closer to discovering what it is. How we retain our identities is a mystery. Obviously, they are not a product of the body.
Graham is full of shit.
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Post by goz on May 22, 2019 22:18:33 GMT
How are the characteristics which make up the individual transferred, when they are the result of the mix of DNA? BTW materialism is provable or otherwise. 'ethereal fields 'are not, just fanciful, especially when they are diametrically opposed to actual evidence in the materialism.. Where is the source, carrier and focus of this 'energy'? (What kind of energy is it?) Graham recently gave you the low down on what ' electrical energy' is and that is the one which is the relevant one in this conversation because it is the one that powers the body, heart brain etc When that ceases we are dead. They are still figuring out how to write out the equations for all of that. String theory is the closest they have come so far, but they can't write out the equations for the electrical field that they know exists that surrounds all mass.
Graham is full of shit.
Oh really? 'They'...who are they? 'They ( whoever they are or you think they are) don't know it yet butt YOU DO? Well done you! You really should apply for a science scholarship at a venerable academic institution. You are wasted writing shit on a message Board! OK, so NOW the soul has 'mass'? Please explain this phenomenon when you just said that it was an energy field itself and had no physical body ie 'mass'. Why can't they write ut the equations for this this energy field around a mass of soul? Do they need a better machine? lol which hasn't been invented yet? LOL DETECTING this energy field around a soul would be a good start don't you think? EVEN better detecting a 'soul'.
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Post by heeeeey on May 22, 2019 22:28:14 GMT
They are still figuring out how to write out the equations for all of that. String theory is the closest they have come so far, but they can't write out the equations for the electrical field that they know exists that surrounds all mass.
Graham is full of shit.
Oh really? 'They'...who are they? 'They ( whoever they are or you think they are) don't know it yet butt YOU DO? Well done you! You really should apply for a science scholarship at a venerable academic institution. You are wasted writing shit on a message Board! OK, so NOW the soul has 'mass'? Please explain this phenomenon when you just said that it was an energy field itself and had no physical body ie 'mass'. Why can't they write ut the equations for this this energy field around a mass of soul? Do they need a better machine? lol which hasn't been invented yet? LOL DETECTING this energy field around a soul would be a good start don't you think? EVEN better detecting a 'soul'. I didn't say 'souls have mass'.
I said the 'field' that surrounds mass, meaning it's the same energetic field that souls transfer to. The field that is invisible to most people.
And by 'they' I mean the physicists who know there is something beyond mass and are studying what it is and how to write it in equations. For example, they are studying plasma in relation to its affects on gravity and how it can be used to manipulate and control gravity.
You think genuine scientists have stopped studying past the material like the twits you're always citing? They haven't.
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Post by goz on May 22, 2019 22:35:42 GMT
Oh really? 'They'...who are they? 'They ( whoever they are or you think they are) don't know it yet butt YOU DO? Well done you! You really should apply for a science scholarship at a venerable academic institution. You are wasted writing shit on a message Board! OK, so NOW the soul has 'mass'? Please explain this phenomenon when you just said that it was an energy field itself and had no physical body ie 'mass'. Why can't they write ut the equations for this this energy field around a mass of soul? Do they need a better machine? lol which hasn't been invented yet? LOL DETECTING this energy field around a soul would be a good start don't you think? EVEN better detecting a 'soul'. I didn't say 'souls have mass'.
I said the 'field' that surrounds mass, meaning it's the same energetic field that souls transfer to. The field that is invisible to most people.
And by 'they' I mean the physicists who know there is something beyond mass and are studying what it is and how to write it in equations. For example, they are studying plasma in relation to its affects on gravity and how it can be used to manipulate and control gravity.
You think genuine scientists have stopped studying past the material like the twits you're always citing? They haven't.
OK, if you NOW say that soul's don't have mass, what is the mass around which this energy field (BTW most energy fields are invisible to everyone indiscriminately) YOU claim is a soul, surrounds? I keep asking you what is the focus of this 'energy field? No answer. Where is it, what is it? Who are these physicists and 'genuine scientists' of which you speak? How do they know beyond the 'material without those machine which haven't been invented yet? LOL
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Post by heeeeey on May 22, 2019 23:34:39 GMT
I didn't say 'souls have mass'.
I said the 'field' that surrounds mass, meaning it's the same energetic field that souls transfer to. The field that is invisible to most people.
And by 'they' I mean the physicists who know there is something beyond mass and are studying what it is and how to write it in equations. For example, they are studying plasma in relation to its affects on gravity and how it can be used to manipulate and control gravity.
You think genuine scientists have stopped studying past the material like the twits you're always citing? They haven't.
OK, if you NOW say that soul's don't have mass, what is the mass around which this energy field (BTW most energy fields are invisible to everyone indiscriminately) YOU claim is a soul, surrounds? I keep asking you what is the focus of this 'energy field? No answer. Where is it, what is it? Who are these physicists and 'genuine scientists' of which you speak? How do they know beyond the 'material without those machine which haven't been invented yet? LOL See, you are like a fish who doesn't believe water exists. I'm not going to explain water to you.
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 3:20:06 GMT
OK, if you NOW say that soul's don't have mass, what is the mass around which this energy field (BTW most energy fields are invisible to everyone indiscriminately) YOU claim is a soul, surrounds? I keep asking you what is the focus of this 'energy field? No answer. Where is it, what is it? Who are these physicists and 'genuine scientists' of which you speak? How do they know beyond the 'material without those machine which haven't been invented yet? LOL See, you are like a fish who doesn't believe water exists. I'm not going to explain water to you. No, you just can't answer perfectly logical and reasonable questions.
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Post by Eλευθερί on May 23, 2019 3:50:03 GMT
All living things are recycled collections of atomic particles and energy. Think of a face in a cloud. It is just what forms when a certain collection of elements combine in a particular way. The winds shift, and the face disappears. But another one can form from the same elements, over time. Or a tornado. Again, just a collection of elements combined in a particular way at a particular place and time. But just transiently. A few minutes later, and it disappears. But another one can form from the same elements. Or a rainbow. Or a flash of lightning. Or the sound of thunder. A human body is formed from proteins gathered together in a particular way, dictated by human DNA molecules, along with a collection of bacteria and other microbes that live on and within the human scaffolding and that are necessary for the human to thrive. The human being exists transiently. The human dies, the molecules of its body decompose into baser elements, which are recycled, and other beings can form from the same materials. Seems like kind of an abstract definition of the term. If I build a sand castle and it washes away some time later, then someone a few beaches over builds another castle of the same type a week later, is that reincarnation? Not sure I see the point in even labeling it that. No definition was offered. I was explaining how things actually work. There is recycling of parts. If someone wants to make-believe that there is also a carryover of consciousness or "souls," whatever that means, in the total absence of any evidence for it, they are free to do so.
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Post by heeeeey on May 23, 2019 13:36:24 GMT
See, you are like a fish who doesn't believe water exists. I'm not going to explain water to you. No, you just can't answer perfectly logical and reasonable questions. There is nothing logical or reasonable about what you believe. In fact, I can't even say it's primitive, because even primitive peoples knew (or sensed) something more than themselves existed beyond the five senses. I don't even know where your kind of thinking comes from, or where it originated. The belief that energy cannot be created or destroyed applies to everything except the energy that animates living forms, is ludicrous.
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Post by theauxphou on May 23, 2019 17:30:23 GMT
I don't believe in it, no.
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 21:00:10 GMT
No, you just can't answer perfectly logical and reasonable questions. There is nothing logical or reasonable about what you believe. In fact, I can't even say it's primitive, because even primitive peoples knew (or sensed) something more than themselves existed beyond the five senses. I don't even know where your kind of thinking comes from, or where it originated. The belief that energy cannot be created or destroyed applies to everything except the energy that animates living forms, is ludicrous. I never said that because it is not true. I would appreciate it if you did not interpret my posts in your own ignorant manner. …. The fact that you don't understand the science is not my problem. Much of the rest of the world (with brains and intellect and education)... does. My question to you, is in what form, and where this mythical energy which somehow has the attributes of the old person attached, resides The pertinent bit is how the attributes of the old person are transferred with what actually makes up the personality and uniqueness of that individual?
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 21:06:40 GMT
Reincarnation is a cycle of life and it can be in any form. Repeat the same patterns and the cycle will reoccur in different forms. Birth, Life, Death, Rebirth, until the real nature of what we perceive as reality is understood, fear is overcome and attachments to earthbound things are no-longer necessary. First two sentence correct. Third, just another example of your everything is lovely and wonderful and non-understandable inside outside upside down airy fairy you are earthbound and I float in the stars with Heeeey's mythical nonentities waiting for an earthbound body yet somehow retaining my personality without a brain or DNA or anything else that actually makes up the consciousness and reality of the human existence. It is a lovely thought, though with modern knowledge somewhat primitive and fanciful.
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Post by heeeeey on May 23, 2019 21:15:08 GMT
There is nothing logical or reasonable about what you believe. In fact, I can't even say it's primitive, because even primitive peoples knew (or sensed) something more than themselves existed beyond the five senses. I don't even know where your kind of thinking comes from, or where it originated. The belief that energy cannot be created or destroyed applies to everything except the energy that animates living forms, is ludicrous. I never said that because it is not true. I would appreciate it if you did not interpret my posts in your own ignorant manner. …. The fact that you don't understand the science is not my problem. Much of the rest of the world (with brains and intellect and education)... does. My question to you, is in what form, and where this mythical energy which somehow has the attributes of the old person attached, resides The pertinent bit is how the attributes of the old person are transferred with what actually makes up the personality and uniqueness of that individual? You don't understand human intelligence, and you're in a very small minority so don't include any part of the world in your absurdity. The majority of the world since humanity began believed in a higher consciousness or being outside of the three dimensional material world.
If a physicist explained to you what the attributes of that 'zero field' or 'mythical energy' was, you would dismiss it just like those quacks you keep citing, because it doesn't fit what you believe. So why bother? The fact is, there are REAL physicists and scientists studying a zero field and still studying dimensions beyond the physical. And they're getting closer and closer to finding concrete evidence.
Just because you and those quacks you cite can't write the equations for it yet doesn't mean it's not there.
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 21:28:24 GMT
I never said that because it is not true. I would appreciate it if you did not interpret my posts in your own ignorant manner. …. The fact that you don't understand the science is not my problem. Much of the rest of the world (with brains and intellect and education)... does. My question to you, is in what form, and where this mythical energy which somehow has the attributes of the old person attached, resides The pertinent bit is how the attributes of the old person are transferred with what actually makes up the personality and uniqueness of that individual? You don't understand human intelligence, and you're in a very small minority so don't include any part of the world in your absurdity. The majority of the world since humanity began believed in a higher consciousness or being outside of the three dimensional material world.
If a physicist explained to you what the attributes of that 'zero field' or 'mythical energy' was, you would dismiss it just like those quacks you keep citing, because it doesn't fit what you believe. So why bother? The fact is, there are REAL physicists and scientists studying a zero field and still studying dimensions beyond the physical. And they're getting closer and closer to finding concrete evidence.
Just because you and those quacks you cite can't write the equations for it yet doesn't mean it's not there.
Besides a primitive argumentum ad populum ( for you translation is 'because millions of people believed it before we have modern scientific it must be correct) Links? to these world beating physicists who think they are onto proving something outside science, which actually relates to humans having a soul? or as I suspect it is your Dunning Kruger syndrome kicking in and inventing them because you don't understand anything much at all and you think it fits your agenda. What has a 'zero field' got to do with the human soul? WTF is this obsession with 'equations'? This part of your post is almost worth the Goz Quotes of the week. I LOLd I just love the juxtaposition of your addled brain farts here!
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Post by heeeeey on May 23, 2019 21:47:58 GMT
You don't understand human intelligence, and you're in a very small minority so don't include any part of the world in your absurdity. The majority of the world since humanity began believed in a higher consciousness or being outside of the three dimensional material world.
If a physicist explained to you what the attributes of that 'zero field' or 'mythical energy' was, you would dismiss it just like those quacks you keep citing, because it doesn't fit what you believe. So why bother? The fact is, there are REAL physicists and scientists studying a zero field and still studying dimensions beyond the physical. And they're getting closer and closer to finding concrete evidence.
Just because you and those quacks you cite can't write the equations for it yet doesn't mean it's not there.
Besides a primitive argumentum ad populum ( for you translation is 'because millions of people believed it before we have modern scientific it must be correct) Links? to these world beating physicists who think they are onto proving something outside science, which actually relates to humans having a soul? or as I suspect it is your Dunning Kruger syndrome kicking in and inventing them because you don't understand anything much at all and you think it fits your agenda. What has a 'zero field' got to do with the human soul? WTF is this obsession with 'equations'? This part of your post is almost worth the Goz Quotes of the week. I LOLd I just love the juxtaposition of your addled brain farts here! Why on Earth would I tell you who these geniuses are? So you can berate them and call them quacks?
I can't help it if you've never heard of the zero field. Even Einstein and Tesla mentioned it. I suppose you also think you know more than they did, pompous twit.
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 22:08:48 GMT
Besides a primitive argumentum ad populum ( for you translation is 'because millions of people believed it before we have modern scientific it must be correct) Links? to these world beating physicists who think they are onto proving something outside science, which actually relates to humans having a soul? or as I suspect it is your Dunning Kruger syndrome kicking in and inventing them because you don't understand anything much at all and you think it fits your agenda. What has a 'zero field' got to do with the human soul? WTF is this obsession with 'equations'? This part of your post is almost worth the Goz Quotes of the week. I LOLd I just love the juxtaposition of your addled brain farts here! Why on Earth would I tell you who these geniuses are? So you can berate them and call them quacks?
I can't help it if you've never heard of the zero field. Even Einstein and Tesla mentioned it. I suppose you also think you know more than they did, pompous twit.
LOL, you don't know. Where did I say I had never heard of zero field splitting? My question to you was what it had to do with proving the human soul. Please stop thinking you know what I think. You don't even know what YOU think more than half the time!
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Post by drystyx on May 23, 2019 23:38:20 GMT
Given a choice, no spirit would welcome reincarnation in the feeble flesh of man or animal. Who knows? Perhaps some few fools do hate the freedom of being away from flesh, and seek to doom themselves to another life form. Do they have that choice? Probably, since we go back to verb form when we die. And for some, perhaps the verb is scary, or perhaps they believe they can do better by playing in Satan's pathetic playground again. Of course, that is vanity. If one is the verb of "vanity", then one is probably prone to being reincarnated.
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